Problems with Office 2004 pro

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Scubadoc

Recently wd 2004, part of the Pro addition, slowed down to a turtles
pace. There seems to be a conflict with a recent application that I
added or an "extension" but I can't locate it. If I start up with
"extensions off" (hold the shift key down on start) it works fast but
with a full load there is a key stroke delay of a few seconds. My work
around until a find what's causing this was to create another user
account and quick switch just to use Word 2004. This slowdown is
present in the whole suite as well as Password Retriever.

Scubadoc
 
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John McGhie

Allow Word to start normally, then go to Tools>Templates and Add-ins and
check the Global Templates and Add-ins box to see what you are loading.

One of the items there is the culprit. Select each item and Word will
display the full path to its location.

Close Word and remove the item from that location so Word cannot load it,
and you should be back to health again.

What's the bet it's PDFMaker.dot?? :)

Cheers

Recently wd 2004, part of the Pro addition, slowed down to a turtles
pace. There seems to be a conflict with a recent application that I
added or an "extension" but I can't locate it. If I start up with
"extensions off" (hold the shift key down on start) it works fast but
with a full load there is a key stroke delay of a few seconds. My work
around until a find what's causing this was to create another user
account and quick switch just to use Word 2004. This slowdown is
present in the whole suite as well as Password Retriever.

Scubadoc

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Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
 
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Beth Rosengard

Hi Alan,

Sounds like you have a corrupted Normal template and/or Word preferences.
You'll find the procedures to test these files here:

<http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/MacWordNormal.htm>
<http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/DamagedPrefs.htm>

(If you're using Safari, you may have to hit Refresh once or twice. Or use
Internet Explorer for this site.)


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S

Scubadoc

Beth,

I went through the preferences and the fonts (with Font Dr.) Then I
deinstalled office 2004 using the deinstal appplication. I also scoured
the drives for any prefs etc and ran the deinstal again. I repaired
permissions, did a restart and a full reinstall. Every thing fresh!
Problem of slowness and delay between the key board and screen still
present. Once more when a do a safestart with the shift key held on
start up Word runs like its supposed to. Also runs OK under a different
user account on this computer. I am ready to go backwards to an older
word. Whats happening. Any knowledge of an "extension£ conflict? I am
using the lastest version of X. If necessary I will try to find where
the extensions are stored or whether they are invisible. I am totally
frustrated.

Alan
 
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Beth Rosengard

Hi Alan,

Well, now we're back to John McGhie's post from the beginning of this
thread. There are no extensions per se in OS X, but there can be (and
usually are) third party add-ins that cause such slow-downs. Here's what
John said:
Allow Word to start normally, then go to Tools>Templates and Add-ins and check
the Global Templates and Add-ins box to see what you are loading.

One of the items there is the culprit. Select each item and Word will display
the full path to its location.

Close Word and remove the item from that location so Word cannot load it, and
you should be back to health again.

What's the bet it's PDFMaker.dot?? :)

Let us know what happens when you try this. If it is PDFMaker.dot, we can
show you how to keep it from ever reloading.

And, by the way, you did test your Normal template per my previous post,
didn't you? You don't mention having done so below, and removing Office
does NOT remove the Normal template (by design). If you didn't, please try
that as well before you post back.

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Mac MVP

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S

Scubadoc

Beth and John,

I did it all and nothing works. Followed your directions to a "T". Once
more every thing about office 2004 is slow, including "save." There is
a 3 second delay in typing before it shows up on the screen. As I said
I am going to reinstall office x and see if I can do any better,
otherwise a will search for another word processor. Thanks for the
effort.

Alan
 
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Beth Rosengard

Hi Alan,

You *must* remove Office before reinstalling. Follow the procedure outlined
here: <http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/RemoveReinstall.htm>
(If using Safari, hit Refresh once or twice; or use Internet Explorer for
this site.)

I'm sorry you're having so much trouble, but it's not Word or everyone would
have the same problem. There's a conflict somewhere and maybe
removing/reinstalling Office will fix it; maybe not. Good luck!

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Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org>
 
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John McGhie

Hi Alan:

One problem I noticed was that you were deleting things BEFORE you ran
Remove Office. If you do that, Remove Office cannot work. You need to run
it before you do anything else.

Another problem I noticed was that you said the Tools item was missing from
your menu bar. Beth gave you the cure for that: replace your Normal
template.

Having done that, the tools item should be back. When it is, I need you to
check the add-ins, as I described in my previous post. I think that's where
your problem is.

I suspect that you have either installed a haxie or add-in that has
installed an item in your Word/Startup folder, or you have picked up a
virus. Either way, it will show up in Tools>Templates and Addins.

There's a variety of other problems it "could" be. We can certainly hang in
there and help you to find this problem. If you want to email me your phone
number, I will give you a ring and talk you through it. We should be able
to find this in a few minutes.

But what I am struggling with at the moment is that you are "trying
everything all at once." Since in a computer "everything depends on
everything else" I now have the problem that I do not know what is going on,
and you are making major changes so that each day I have a new set of
potential problems :)

What I really need is for you to do:
1) a Remove Office,
2) then delete your Office folder so I know there are no templates left,
3) then delete your Normal Template from the Microsoft User Data Folder,
4) then run Disk Utility and Repair Permissions
5) then do a reinstall using the installer,
6) then reboot your computer.

If you do all of these things in order, without doing anything else as well,
we get your computer back to a known state from which I can find and fix the
problem. But simple things can pull the whole process unstuck. For
example, if you delete any files before running remove Office, Remove Office
will give up and you get left with old damaged files on the hard disk which
will come back into service after you reinstall. If you have moved files or
folders around Remove Office can't find them and doesn't delete them. If
your antivirus is not up-to-date, or if you have not run a full scan of your
hard disk, there can be a virus hidden in one of your templates that keeps
getting reinstalled. If your disk permissions are bad, the reinstall won't
complete successfully. The possibilities are endless, and I can't make any
progress until we get your installation into a known and stable state.

Hope this helps

Beth and John,

I did it all and nothing works. Followed your directions to a "T". Once
more every thing about office 2004 is slow, including "save." There is
a 3 second delay in typing before it shows up on the screen. As I said
I am going to reinstall office x and see if I can do any better,
otherwise a will search for another word processor. Thanks for the
effort.

Alan

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Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
 
S

Scubadoc

John,
I will do all step by step. Once more when I run Office 2004 under a
different account it works fine. BTW I will be in Sydney in Aug for
the world pain congress.

alan
 
S

Scubadoc

I am still having problems and have done everything but re initialize
my hard drive. Until that time I have decided to try NisusWriter
Express. Opens word documents and is fast.


Alan
 
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Daiya Mitchell

If it works in a different user account, surely there is some step before
initializing your hard drive? Like moving everything to the different user
account? Setting up a new user account sounds like less trouble than
re-setting up a hard drive, though perhaps more trouble than switching to
Nisus.

DM
 
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Scubadoc

I found the conflict. It was AlphaX(8) text editor. Changed plist files
to alpha files (tcl). I am still runnng these file \types down and
changing them to textedit files, but Office 2004 is now almost working
to speed.

Alan
 
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Beth Rosengard

Hi Alan,

Thanks very much for reporting back on this but what is AlphaX(8)? It must
be something you installed because I don't have it :). Is it third-party
software? If so, did it put an add-in in your Word Startup folder?

I'm asking these questions so that your experience will benefit more people.
And if it's an add-in, I'd like to list it in the "Global Templates & Third
Party Add-Ins" article at word.mvps.org
(<http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Add-Ins.htm>)

Thanks!

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S

Scubadoc

AlphaX is a text editor. Use VersionTracker to locate it and see what
it is about.

Alan
 
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John McGhie

Be careful... Office expects most of its .plist files to be XML, not text
:)


I found the conflict. It was AlphaX(8) text editor. Changed plist files
to alpha files (tcl). I am still runnng these file \types down and
changing them to textedit files, but Office 2004 is now almost working
to speed.

Alan

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Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
 

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