Publisher 2002

[MrKarma]

I've built a website with Publisher 2002 and some of the visitors are
telling me some of the text runs over the top of other text on the page.
There also seems to be no way to avoid the gap of space at the end of a text
box to the next item on the page. When I view the page in Publisher the page
looks tight, when published to the internet it doesn't look the same. I've
changed the height issue on most pages by removing the height tag.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Here are a few of the pages in question:
http://karmamusic.com/
http://www.karmawebdesign.com/AWM/links/links.html
http://www.karmamusic.com/concerts/concerts.html
MDG

 

[David Bartosik - MS MVP]

I viewed http://www.karmamusic.com/index.html and didn't see any issues. I'm
using IE 6.1.
As far as your first complaint, those would be Netscape users. I document on
my site that NS will have issues with 2002 pub pages due to the use of
positioning, absolute and relative.
As far as the second issue, I didn't see anything. But keep in mind that
cells are relative to other cells, the shortest cell in a row will expand to
the longest cell in the row. You can visit the web design section of my site
for some html tutorials.
A web page and a print page will not look the same. Two different mediums.
Microsoft's support site does state this. But it should be obvious.
My site does have helpful tips and articles though to assist in improving
pages.
I myself have not yet seen a Publisher built site with the level of
complexity as this one. The menus and tabs are definitely impressive. I'm
assuming that vstore helped out with that. It's been a long time since I
reviewed vstore, looks like they've beefed up their integration offerings.
Good job.

 

[MrKarma]

David,
Thank you your comments and praise. I have had a bookmark to your site for
quite some time and it has been very useful and is well laid out for ease of
use.. Thank you for taking the time to keep us informed and educated. I'll
look at the cell alignment on the pages. The menus and tabs were all done in
Xara Webstyle, a very easy to use program for everything from buttons to
banner ads. V-Store is getting better, but they don't help with your site
layout just there own. I enjoy using Publisher for web design although I
know other programs might make some of my tasks a little easier once past
the learning curve. I hope what I have created in Publisher will inspire
others to release that you can do a lot with this program.
Again thank you for all you do and continue to do.
MDG

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bartosik - MS MVP" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.publisher.webdesign
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Publisher 2002

 

[Brian Kvalheim - [MS MVP]]

Hi MrKarma ([email protected]),
in the Microsoft® newsgroups
you posted:

|| David,
|| Thank you your comments and praise. I have had a bookmark to your
|| site for quite some time and it has been very useful and is well
|| laid out for ease of use.. Thank you for taking the time to keep us
|| informed and educated. I'll look at the cell alignment on the pages.
|| The menus and tabs were all done in Xara Webstyle, a very easy to
|| use program for everything from buttons to banner ads. V-Store is
|| getting better, but they don't help with your site layout just there
|| own. I enjoy using Publisher for web design although I know other
|| programs might make some of my tasks a little easier once past the
|| learning curve. I hope what I have created in Publisher will inspire
|| others to release that you can do a lot with this program.
|| Again thank you for all you do and continue to do.
|| MDG


FWIW, those pages look great for me, and I am using IE 6


--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Office Publisher MVP
Official Publisher MVP Site:
http://www.kvalheim.org

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.

 

[DavidF]

MrKarma...MDG,

This is slightly off subject, so please excuse me, but your use of Xara
Webstyle inspired me to create better menus for my site, created with
Publisher 2000.

I am currently trying to use XARA MenuMaker and have successfully inserted
the script into my Pub doc using the insert HTML fragment feature. And when
I open the web page, the new navigation bar is there and functional...so far
so good.

However, I am finding that though there appears to be plenty of room for the
new navigation bar on my Pub doc, that after creating the web page and
viewing it, the elements to the right of the vertical navigation bar are
displaced by perhaps a 1/4 to 1/2 inch to the right. Have you experienced
anything like this, and do you have a suggestion of how to resolve it? It
sounds like a similar problem to yours. I have tried making the new buttons
smaller and inserting and moving the fragment box to different places on my
page, but where ever it is placed the elements to the right, and sometimes
above, are displaced. They are not touching, or even close to the navbar. I
would appreciate any advice you could offer, as I too prefer to stay with
Publisher for my site for a variety of reasons, but would like to use XARA
to improve the Nav bars, etc.

And by the way, I used to go to your original store in Indy, and the
frequented the Bloomington store a lot when I lived there. The retail was
great, and I am not surprised the web presence is just as good.

Thanks. DavidF

 

[MrKarma]

DavidF
Do you have any other Java elements on your page? Sometimes they will
conflict with each other.
Try sending your elements to the right and above to the back and see if that
helps. It seems Publisher 2000 uses layers and I have found that sending
some items to the back or send backwards helps.
It's always good to here from a Karma person, are you still in the Indy
area?
I'm glad to here that our site inspired you. Xara has some great products
that have made my life a lot easier.
Send me your URL after you finish, I'd like to see what you came up with.
Hope this helps.
(e-mail address removed)

 

[David Bartosik - MS MVP]

Pub 2000 uses CSS2 (positioning/layers) in it's high target browser setting.
It uses traditional HTML when in it's low target browser setting.

 

[DavidF]

Hi David,

I designed my site in the low target browser setting. Do you think this
might have something to do with my problem? I remember you discussing the
advantages and disadvantages of the low and high options, but am afraid I
can't remember the details (a senior moment I'm afraid). I looked around for
the answers at your site, but couldn't find the information again. What is
the downside of using the high target browser setting?

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

MDG,

Thanks for responding. Between your post and David's I at least have some
options to explore. I use Publisher in so many areas of my work, I would
like to stick with it for the web site. Xara seems to offer some solutions
to some of the limitations I have found using Publisher and hope I can make
it work.

No, I moved to Oregon from Bloomington about 20 years ago...used to live
about a block from the store. Its nice to know the store not only survived,
but flourished.

I will send you a link after I get it rebuilt, provided you don't compare it
to your work. I spent some time looking at the other sites you built, and I
only hope to approach your quality.

DavidF

 

[David Bartosik - MS MVP]

Can't say I'm familiar with this thread. What is your problem?
The html code is going to give you a smaller html file size and the code is
cleaner and more basic so it will get better results in more browsers.
CSS2 was designed to give the web designer firm control over the layout of a
page with positioning and layering.
Just FYI, I am a professional software and web developer, and I have yet to
ever meet or work with anyone that uses CSS2 in their coding. You can learn
about it at www.w3c.org

 

[DavidF]

David,

Don't worry about it. I am trying to use XARA MenuMaker with my Publisher
2000 web page, as inspired by Mrkarma...a bit off topic. As it turned out my
problem had to do with inserting the java script via Insert HTML fragment,
and I think I figured out the solution. Indirectly you helped as I was
experimenting with the textual navbar code from you site, and discovered
that the dimension of the HTML fragment box made the difference. So thank
you again for your site. Though I have read most of it many times, I don't
always Grok the contents, and just keep going back and learning more and
more. DavidF

 

[DavidF]

MDG,

Thanks for your help. I think I figured out a solution, or at least a
workaround in this particular case. By experimenting with the dimension of
the HTML fragment box/frame and forcing some of the script to wrap to a
second line, the resulting code resulted in a web page with all the elements
positioned as intended. Not sure why for, but then I am not sure why a lot
of things work or don't work. Now I get to spend some time redesigning my
site using MenuMaker...that will be fun. Thanks again. DavidF