publisher 2003

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neumaaarts

I created a few websites in publisher 2003. They upload ok in MIE, but their
links aren't functional in any other browser. How can this be corrected? I
am not a technical person, so would you suggest that I use one to assist me
or to do it for me?
 
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neumaaarts

After reading the other comments on this site, along with my own questions.
It seems that Publisher 2003 is not the tool with which to build real,
working websites unless one has html or other programming expertise. It's too
bad Microsoft Office hasn't addressed these problems at the development and
production stage, rather than letting consumers spend countless hours trying
to solve these problems which are inherent in its design. I am really
disappointed in Microsoft Publisher, since I have used it to design print
materials for many years. Sorry to say that I will no longer use it, or
recommend it to friends and colleagues.
 
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DavidF

It was in your other post. I will repost it again here:

IE8 is designed to render webpages in a more 'standards
code compliant' mode than any previous version. In general, many websites
built by many different programs including Publisher do not produce
'standards compliant code' and have 'compatibility' issues in IE8. If you
care to read more about the details of these general statements here are two
articles:

Reference: Release Notes for Internet Explorer 8: Compatibility issues with
websites:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dd441788.aspx

Reference: MSDN IEBlog:Just The Facts: Recap of Compatibility View:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/02/16/just-the-facts-recap-of-compatibility-view.aspx

Unfortunately this is the price of progress, but luckily the only
compatibility issues with Publisher 2003 and 2007 and IE8 RTW reported thus
far are problems associated with 'grouping'. Any design elements that are
'grouped' together, which includes the Publisher wizard built navbars, do
not render when you view the web page in IE8. The fix in general is to
ungroup the elements. I have found no problems with Publisher 2000 webs that
are produced at the IE3+ settings. While I am hopeful that MSFT will soon
provide a patch that will fix these issues in at least Pub 2007, there are a
couple 'fixes' you can use in the meantime.

I would suggest that you open your original Publisher file and go to File >
Save As and save a copy of your Pub file under a different name. Now working
with the new copy of your Pub file go to Edit > Select All > Arrange >
Ungroup. This will ungroup the text boxes and images that compose the
Publisher built navbars along with any other design elements that might be
grouped together on the page. Now the navbar and the rest of the page should
render correctly when you do a web page preview. Repeat this with each page
in your publication. 'Publish to the Web' from this copy of your
publication, upload those files and they will render correctly in IE8. If
you want to make changes in your web in the future go back to your original
Pub file, make the changes, save, and again do a 'Save As' to make a copy,
etc.

The reason I suggest making a copy of your original Pub file and doing the
'ungrouping' on that copy is that when you ungroup the navbar, you will also
ungroup it from the Publisher navbar wizard. This means that if you want to
add a page in the future the navbar will not be automatically updated and
that change propagated throughout the site.You would have to rebuild the
navbar under those circumstances or manually edit the old one.

If you don't plan on adding any more pages to your site in the near future,
then making a copy and doing the ungrouping on that copy in order to
preserve the navbar wizard would not be necessary. Furthermore you could
also do the ungrouping on the original Pub file, produce your new web pages,
and then close the original Pub file without saving the changes. I just
think that perhaps making a copy is a bit safer, but that is up to you.

While this *fix* is a bit of a pain, hopefully it will be temporary. If you
find any other compatibility issues with your pages and IE8, I would
appreciate it if you would post that information in the web group and tell
us what specifically isn't working, and provide a link to the page where we
can find it.

DavidF
 
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DavidF

You are free to do whatever you want, but your assumptions are incorrect.

There is no need to have any html, programming or coding expertise at all in
order to build a website with Publisher that is cross browser compatible.
That is the advantage of using Publisher. You never have to get into the
coding. By following a few basic formatting and layout guidelines you can
get Publisher webs to work well in both IE7 and FireFox, and thus all the
major browsers including Safari and Opera. And now with IE8, if you
'ungroup' the design elements on the page then the pages will also render
correctly in IE8. I have posted a full description of the 'fix' at least
three times today.

While it is regrettable that in the short term people who use Publisher to
build webs will be inconvenienced by this one compatibility issue with IE8,
there are many webs built by many different programs that have many
compatibility problems with IE8. Luckily Publisher only has one issue that
is easily fixed. I am still confident that MSFT will issue a patch that will
fix the 'grouping' issue with IE8 and at least Publisher 2007 webs. If you
are not willing to avail yourself of a relatively easy fix for the short
term and most likely a permanent fix in the long term, then by all means you
can invest the time and money in buying and learning other software,
rebuilding your sites and still be required to do some tweaking in order to
achieve good cross browser compatibility. And if you want to go with a full
code editor such as MSFT Web Expression then plan on learning at least basic
html coding, CSS and perhaps a bit of PHP.

If you are having problems with your site not working correctly in FireFox,
then by all means post a link to the site and we will be glad to tell you
what formatting needs to be changed in order to achieve good cross browser
compatibility, and none of the changes will require any coding knowledge. If
your problems are associated with IE8, then read one of the three postings
today where I have addressed that.

DavidF
 
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Eric James

I am still confident that MSFT will issue a patch that will fix the
'grouping' issue with IE8 and at least Publisher 2007 webs.

Unfortunately there is no basis for that belief, although it is vaguely
possible. Publisher has got fundamental problems when it comes to generating
web pages, and for Microsoft to fix it properly would require a massive
development effort. Bearing in mind that they've made no effort to fix even
simple bugs which have been in the product since at least the 2000 version,
this seems unlikely. The changes in more recent versions appear to have
simply involved 'bolting in' modules from the rest of the Office line - but
even that so far hasn't included the ribbon bar, obviously. There are huge
difficulties in trying to make a print-centric dtp program generate web
pages well, which not even the industry heavyweights Quark & Adobe have
solved in any useful fashion, so it seems unlikely that Microsoft will do
any better.
Bearing in mind that Microsoft are pushing their Live products for simple
web sites (& hosting) and Expression Web Designer for proper page design,
it's hard to see where Publisher will fit in future. It seems likely that
they may drop the product entirely, or maybe simply remove its web page
creation facilities and concentrate on enhancing the print side to even turn
it into a competitor against Quark Xpress, Indesign and even Scribus.
Perhaps even a completely new product will appear, but given their recent
staff lay-offs that might seem unlikely.
If you are not willing to avail yourself of a relatively easy fix for the short
term and most likely a permanent fix in the long term, then by all means
you can invest the time and money in buying and learning other software,

Buying other software is not necessary. Learning the ropes of HTML & CSS,
which really isn't very difficult, should lead to the ability to build web
pages using only a simple text editor such as Notepad. An image manipulation
program will also be needed - free/cheap ones such as Paint.Net or Photoline
for more sophisticated purposes will do. There are heaps of free tutorials
and documentation available on the web, and some excellent books to be
found - particularly those by Eric Meyer on CSS.
And if you want to go with a full code editor such as MSFT Web Expression
then plan on learning at least basic html coding, CSS and perhaps a bit of
PHP.

PHP definitely not required, unless you need to build 'active' programmed
web sites, in which case ASP and ASP.NET or even Perl would also be
contenders. Some Javascript knowledge would be far more useful however for
performing clever client-side stuff using DHTML for such things as slide-out
menus etc. but if this is needed then it may be best to call upon an expert.
This sort of thing is all well beyond what can be achieved with Publisher
though, so probably not worth worrying about.


No - Publisher is a tool to use if you have no knowledge of HTML - but by no
means a good one, in any version, and particularly the post-2000 ones. There
are better ones around - Serif Web Publisher has been mentioned by others,
and Netobjects Fusion might be worth a look. Both of these programs have
been given away free in old-version form on magazine cover cds.

Moving up a step, slightly more extensive and/or complicated web sites might
be better addressed using a content management system such as Joomla or
Drupal. Many web hosting companies now offer these at very low cost or
included as part of a bundle. These allow easy on-going maintenance and
modifications of web pages with no design or HTML knowledge required in a
lot of cases, but expert knowledge will be needed to set them up. This is
also addressed by Microsoft's 'Live' offering, but in their case no expert
knowledge is required at the expense of flexibility. For a considerable
number of simple web sites which almost by definition have been poorly
lashed-up with Publisher though it is to be recommended.
 

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