publisher files woefully unreliable

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rossm

We take a lot of publisher jobs on, and we are plagued by problems. Not with ripping or printing, but just with the state the files open up in. For example, today I worked on 4 customers publisher files.

With the first, most of the text boxes were cutting of the last few lines of the text content, the customer was dismayed when I showed her on screen asking what "I'd" done to her files. This was of course using the customers own fonts. This is a recurring problem many many publisher files exhibit

The second job, the customer had somehow embedded all the text as wmf resulting in horribly distorted and squashed text

The third job, the main embedded eps had corrupted somehow and the main heading, created with the 'WordArt' was just an absurd jumble of letters, this too happens often

The last job, again, was hiding the last lines of text in most of the text boxes

I'm not ranting against publisher, we've taken publisher files for 4 or so years now, and we get a lot of work by being one of the few printers who accept it. I'm also very glad to hear publisher 2003 will produce composite postscript (just hope it works as advertised!) but I just get dismayed by the problems we encounter.

With Adobe programs, Quark, Freehand etc we never have problems like these, files open exactly as they were when they left the customers computer, and if their are problems they are clearly identified and flagged. Publisher seems to take a "don't mention it and maybe he wont notice" approach. The result being that a job that will take minutes to process and get to the rip with other programs will take a half hour with Publisher

Is there any tips either for our end or the customers that will help preserve the integrity of the files when they are transported between the customers machine and our system? In a professional print environment you don't expect, and neither do you have the time, for files to require so much 'repair' at such a basic level, i.e text should stay where its put, graphics shouldn't mysteriously disappear, Microsoft shouldn't include features (I'm thinking of the cursed wordart) unless they can give a guarantee that the artwork will remain intact when opened on another machine and printed on a different printer.

Any ideas or tips would be appreciated. Our setup is win2k, fiery rip, ABDick DPM (although as I say the ripping isn't usually the problem)

Thank you
 
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°°°MS°Publisher°°°

Your issues are caused by not having the same fonts as the users have on their system, versions prior to Publisher 2002 not been printer independent. Non-standard and poor quality TrueType fonts are a *major* issue. 'Pack n' Go' helps to overcome some of the issues you are having.

The customer who embedded the text as a WMF was highly talented - not.

WordArt issue would have been caused by change in WordArt. There is a patch you can install to overcome this issue that converts the WordArt to a graphic.

Have you had the pleasure of using Serif PagePlus? PagePlus makes CMYK PDF files which makes your life a breeze.

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rossm

Thanks for the reply.

We're very strict about using the customers own fonts, but usually to no avail, we still see the text problem. I agree with you on the poor quality fonts point, unfortunately the type of work we see done in publisher usually contains many 'zany' fonts downloaded from goodness knows where.

Where can I get the patch for WordArt? that sounds like it could make my life a lot easier.

We used to get a few pageplus files a few years back but I haven't see one in a long while, back then it was just as bad as publisher, glad to hear its improved.

What I'd really like to see, would be a "save as pdf" option in publisher, so the customers could create their own pdf, check it out and send it to me, man would I have some serious free time if that happened :)

Thanks again for the tips.
 
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Elmo P. Shagnasty

rossm said:
With the first, most of the text boxes were cutting of the last few lines of
the text content, the customer was dismayed when I showed her on screen
asking what "I'd" done to her files. This was of course using the customers
own fonts. This is a recurring problem many many publisher files exhibit.

This isn't her file or Publisher necessarily, but is probably your
Publisher setup.

Microsoft has this thing about using the current printer driver to
define page metrics. If you install the customer's printer driver and
set that as the current print driver, the publication will look and work
OK.

I know that Word allows you to turn this feature off; I don't know if
Publisher does or not.




The second job, the customer had somehow embedded all the text as wmf
resulting in horribly distorted and squashed text.

Not a Publisher issue.


With Adobe programs, Quark, Freehand etc we never have problems like these,

I'm the last human being on the planet to defend Publisher, but let's
face it: with Adobe and Quark stuff, you have enough OTHER problems to
worry about. Nothing's trouble-free.

For example, PageMaker would reflow text based on the printer chosen.
That was a HUGE issue for a long while.



The result being that a job that will take minutes to process and get to the
rip with other programs will take a half hour with Publisher.

Many, many shops have a "Publisher surcharge" fee. Not a big deal.
Most customers are happy to pay it. Either that, or they can produce
Postscript or PDF for you to output.

PDF is the way to go. You shouldn't be accepting native files, not
nowadays.
 
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°°°MS°Publisher°°°

Publisher after 2002 (and to some extent 2000) is printer driver independent
so that is no longer an issue.

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J

JL Amerson

Perhaps you could tell your customers that you'd *prefer* a .pdf file. If
they don't have Acrobat, there are other low cost/free options.

I send my Publisher files to my printer as a .pdf after a problem with
fonts. Now if there's a problem, it's on MY end, not his.

rossm said:
Thanks for the reply.

We're very strict about using the customers own fonts, but usually to no
avail, we still see the text problem. I agree with you on the poor quality
fonts point, unfortunately the type of work we see done in publisher usually
contains many 'zany' fonts downloaded from goodness knows where.
Where can I get the patch for WordArt? that sounds like it could make my life a lot easier.

We used to get a few pageplus files a few years back but I haven't see one
in a long while, back then it was just as bad as publisher, glad to hear its
improved.
What I'd really like to see, would be a "save as pdf" option in publisher,
so the customers could create their own pdf, check it out and send it to me,
man would I have some serious free time if that happened :)
 
M

mact

the overset condition you refer to seems to (in my experience) come from
older versions of Publisher. The fix i'v used is to reset the
spacing/kerning/tracking. sometimes you can then reset it back and all is
well. obviously as small a tweak as possible.

sadly, to many customers are providing files like this that are this way on
their own machines and on their own proofs! talk about not paying attention!

(but not just MS pub...got an AI10 file yeterday where the "business card"
was 5 x 3. except each of the 6 were a slightly different size. Ah, yes!
snap to guides...how totally accurate! (no. they didn't want the cards this
size and don't know why they made them that way...they paid for 2 sets of
film..."super size" and "regular size")
 
R

R C

Just to clarify for my own understanding - is what you mean by "After
2002", you are saying only Publisher 2003, correct?
 
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Brian Kvalheim - [MS MVP]

Hi mact ([email protected]),
in the Microsoft® newsgroups
you posted:

|| the overset condition you refer to seems to (in my experience) come
|| from older versions of Publisher. The fix i'v used is to reset the
|| spacing/kerning/tracking. sometimes you can then reset it back and
|| all is well. obviously as small a tweak as possible.
||
|| sadly, to many customers are providing files like this that are this
|| way on their own machines and on their own proofs! talk about not
|| paying attention!
||
|| (but not just MS pub...got an AI10 file yeterday where the "business
|| card" was 5 x 3. except each of the 6 were a slightly different
|| size. Ah, yes! snap to guides...how totally accurate! (no. they
|| didn't want the cards this size and don't know why they made them
|| that way...they paid for 2 sets of film..."super size" and "regular
|| size")
||
|| --
|| Mac Townsend,
|| Adcom Graphics, Fairfield, California:
|| Electronic Prepress & Large Format Imaging
|| www.adcomgraphics.com

mact,

can you email me? (e-mail address removed)

--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Office Publisher MVP
Official Publisher MVP Site:
http://www.kvalheim.org

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
 

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