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Steve Maser
Nothing to address the "double-click" issue, sadly...
Not even a further explanation.
- Steve
Not even a further explanation.
- Steve
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JE McGimpsey
"Patch Tuesday" is a Windows product phenomeon. MacOffice updates appear
less regularly.
Is there any expectation that this will be addressed by MS? It appears
to me that Firefox has fixed their problem in their v.3 RCs.
What further explanation are you looking for? The issue's been pretty
well characterized in these groups.
less regularly.
Steve Maser said:
Is there any expectation that this will be addressed by MS? It appears
to me that Firefox has fixed their problem in their v.3 RCs.
What further explanation are you looking for? The issue's been pretty
well characterized in these groups.
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Daiya Mitchell
Steve said:
I think this is a new KB:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953266/en-us
It describes the right issue, as it was designed to work, but doesn't
mention that inappropriate behavior by other programs is making new
documents look like old documents.
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Steve Maser
JE said:
If they are classifying this as an "issue they are looking into" on
their web pages, then I have an expectation they would be addressing
this.
Thunderbird has *not* fixed this. TB 3.0 is "alpha 1". There will be
months before this is ready to go.
I'm looking for an official word that says either:
1) We know we "broke" documents with old file extensions and this
affects these products... (to the best of their knowledge), but this is
what we had to do and will not be reversing this decision.
2) An explanation that says "a fix will be forthcoming".
It's been a month. I would expect one or the other by now, actually...
- Steve
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Steve Maser
Daiya Mitchell said:
That may be the only "official word" we'll get (sadly).
Thanks for that link.
- Steve
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Corentin Cras-Méneur
Steve Maser said:
At least it clearly states now that it is because the document "may pose
securoty threats".
That's more info than we've had before,
Corentin
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John McGhie
Hi Corentin:
Actually, no -- we did have that piece of information too.
J? McGimpsey is quite correct: this issue has been beaten to death all over
the Internet.
The old file formats have been disabled from automatic opening, because they
"may" pose a security threat.
The use of the word 'may' in this case means "might". Microsoft does not
"know" whether they pose a security threat or not. However, as with any
other complex, structured file that can contain active content, the
possibility exists, at least in theory.
Since the cost of "testing" all possibilities in all of the old file types
would run into many millions of dollars (literally) and end up tacked onto
the price of a copy of Office (inevitably) Microsoft has made the decision
to disable the file types, rather than test the old file structures that
nobody is using any longer.
Given that this saves about $100 a copy of Office, my opinion is that this
is a very sensible move on the part of Microsoft.
The problem has occurred because other applications are lying about what is
actually in their files. If the other applications come clean and mark the
file type and creator code correctly, the problem goes away. Which would
also allow other security software to work correctly.
So there you go: Nothing for Microsoft to do, wouldn't you agree?
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Actually, no -- we did have that piece of information too.
J? McGimpsey is quite correct: this issue has been beaten to death all over
the Internet.
The old file formats have been disabled from automatic opening, because they
"may" pose a security threat.
The use of the word 'may' in this case means "might". Microsoft does not
"know" whether they pose a security threat or not. However, as with any
other complex, structured file that can contain active content, the
possibility exists, at least in theory.
Since the cost of "testing" all possibilities in all of the old file types
would run into many millions of dollars (literally) and end up tacked onto
the price of a copy of Office (inevitably) Microsoft has made the decision
to disable the file types, rather than test the old file structures that
nobody is using any longer.
Given that this saves about $100 a copy of Office, my opinion is that this
is a very sensible move on the part of Microsoft.
The problem has occurred because other applications are lying about what is
actually in their files. If the other applications come clean and mark the
file type and creator code correctly, the problem goes away. Which would
also allow other security software to work correctly.
So there you go: Nothing for Microsoft to do, wouldn't you agree?
Cheers
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Mr. Strat
Steve Maser said:
Uh...it's only Windows that gets updates on the 2nd Tuesday of the
month.
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JE McGimpsey
Steve Maser said:
It's been "addressed" by a web page explaining the problem. I don't
think that "looking into" necessarily implies changing their code.
That, of course, needs to be addressed by the group that screwed up:
Mozilla, not MS.
The KB article referenced in this thread acknowledges that SP1 disabled
the opening of files with incorrect file types from the Finder (no
matter how those types were assigned).
There's no indication that their decision is open for reversal. Since
the change was made to fix a potential security threat, I wouldn't
expect that it is.
Since other apps assigning incorrect file types is not something that MS
can fix, I'd also think that's unlikely.
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Corentin Cras-Méneur
John McGhie said:
I didn't say I disagreed. All I said was that I thought that the
"because they may pose a security risk" part was new. I didn't reading
it in a public knownledge base article before.
Corentin
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Steve Maser
Mr. Strat said:
Mac Office has had it's updates the same day (or the day after) Patch
Tuesday for quite some time now.
- Steve
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John McGhie
Hi Steve:
I would expect that Mac BU will eventually adopt a "preferred day to
release", although they haven't said this to us.
If they do, I would expect it would be anything BUT "Patch Tuesday", since
the Mac downloads come off the same server farm, and they would like their
customers to get the best possible "experience".
In other words, a big patch clags the servers, so avoiding Patch Tuesday
would be goodness
Similarly, Windows Update and Microsoft Office Update are now being
staggered so they don't all fire at one minute past midnight. Remember the
big fuss two years ago, when everyone thought the Internet was down or some
such. Turned out to be just that Microsoft made an error and fired off a
large Windows Update to every machine in the world, all at once.
Did nasty things to the hub for several hours
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I would expect that Mac BU will eventually adopt a "preferred day to
release", although they haven't said this to us.
If they do, I would expect it would be anything BUT "Patch Tuesday", since
the Mac downloads come off the same server farm, and they would like their
customers to get the best possible "experience".
In other words, a big patch clags the servers, so avoiding Patch Tuesday
would be goodness
Similarly, Windows Update and Microsoft Office Update are now being
staggered so they don't all fire at one minute past midnight. Remember the
big fuss two years ago, when everyone thought the Internet was down or some
such. Turned out to be just that Microsoft made an error and fired off a
large Windows Update to every machine in the world, all at once.
Did nasty things to the hub for several hours
Cheers
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CyberTaz
Hi John -
The observation is partially accurate - The history of updates for 2004 does
reveal that *most* have been released on *a* Tuesday. The inaccurate
assumptions are that it was always the *second* Tuesday - which it was not -
and that Mac Office update releases have any association with Windows
patches other than that they're delivered by the same servers.
It appears to me that Microsoft's established workflow simply called for
updates & Patches to hit the servers on Tuesdays and Mac 2004 updates were
put in the queue when ready, so they posted the Tuesday after.
However, the 12.0.1 update was released on a Friday & 12.1.0 on a Wednesday,
so perhaps they're realizing your point.
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
The observation is partially accurate - The history of updates for 2004 does
reveal that *most* have been released on *a* Tuesday. The inaccurate
assumptions are that it was always the *second* Tuesday - which it was not -
and that Mac Office update releases have any association with Windows
patches other than that they're delivered by the same servers.
It appears to me that Microsoft's established workflow simply called for
updates & Patches to hit the servers on Tuesdays and Mac 2004 updates were
put in the queue when ready, so they posted the Tuesday after.
However, the 12.0.1 update was released on a Friday & 12.1.0 on a Wednesday,
so perhaps they're realizing your point.
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
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John McGhie
Yeah: I suspect that most businesses would prefer to get their patches on
"a" Tuesday.
That gives them Monday to clear away the stuff the got broken on the
weekend, and four days to fix any issues the patches cause. It also gives
Microsoft four days to work out what went wrong when a patch blows up
So Tuesday is a good day.
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"a" Tuesday.
That gives them Monday to clear away the stuff the got broken on the
weekend, and four days to fix any issues the patches cause. It also gives
Microsoft four days to work out what went wrong when a patch blows up
So Tuesday is a good day.
Cheers
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Steve Maser
Daiya Mitchell said:
Huh. This is no longer up. And I don't seem to be able to find it's
replacement (if there is one?)
Wonder what that means...
- Steve
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Daiya Mitchell
I've been wondering myself. Who knows?
Glad I caught it during its brief lifespan. Can't find a replacement
either. Wondering why it was only for Word and not Excel and PPT too.
Daiya