Rebaseline BCWS <>BSWP<>ACWP

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mikecrews00

Hello ~ I'm using MSP 2003 and recently rebaselined my schedule. I was
expecting MSP to set BCWS=BCWP=ACWP but it didn't. Any ideas on why or
more importantly how to get my variances to reset?

Thanks,

Mike
 
J

JulieS

Hi Mike,

When you rebaselined did you overwrite the existing baseline or save a
new one? Did you rebaseline all tasks in the project or just
selected?

What service pack do you have applied to Project?

I hope this helps. Let us know how you get along.

Julie
Project MVP

Visit http://project.mvps.org/ for the FAQs and additional information
about Microsoft Project
 
M

mikecrews00

Hi Mike,

When you rebaselined did you overwrite the existing baseline or save a
new one?  Did you rebaseline all tasks in the project or just
selected?

What service pack do you have applied to Project?

I hope this helps.  Let us know how you get along.

Julie
Project MVP

Visithttp://project.mvps.org/for the FAQs and additional information
about Microsoft Project






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Julie ~ Thanks for the quick reply.

I copied the previous baseline into baseline1, and then saved the new
baseline for the entire project overwriting the old data. I'm using
MSP 2003 SP3.

Mike
 
J

JulieS

Hi Mike,

When you rebaselined did you overwrite the existing baseline or save
a
new one? Did you rebaseline all tasks in the project or just
selected?

What service pack do you have applied to Project?

I hope this helps. Let us know how you get along.

Julie
Project MVP

Visithttp://project.mvps.org/for the FAQs and additional information
about Microsoft Project






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Julie ~ Thanks for the quick reply.

I copied the previous baseline into baseline1, and then saved the new
baseline for the entire project overwriting the old data. I'm using
MSP 2003 SP3.

Mike


If you have rebaselined when a task is 100% complete the BCWS BCWP and
ACWP should be equal -- assuming a correct status date. If the task
still has remaining work or remaining duration, I wouldn't expect
those values to be equal -- you have not completed the tasks. Double
check your status date as well. If the tasks are complete, make sure
your status date (Project > Project Information) is accurate.

Julie
 
M

mikecrews00

If you have rebaselined when a task is 100% complete the BCWS BCWP and
ACWP should be equal -- assuming a correct status date.  If the task
still has remaining work or remaining duration, I wouldn't expect
those values to be equal -- you have not completed the tasks.  Double
check your status date as well.  If the tasks are complete, make sure
your status date (Project > Project Information) is accurate.

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Julie ~ It is very strange. There are numerous task that are 100%
complete but BCWS <> BCWP ?!?

The status date is set to 3 July 2008, the date we updated the actuals
to.

For the task that are not complete I would have expected BCWS=BCWP=ACWP
+Remaining Work. It does not. For the open task BCWS <> BCWP,
however BCWP + ACWP for the open task.

What's really wierd is if I choose a different view, same baseline,
the fields (Start, duration, work ect...) used to determine the EV
data are the same.

Mike
 
J

JulieS

<Mike wrote in message
<snip>
Julie ~ It is very strange. There are numerous task that are 100%
complete but BCWS <> BCWP ?!?

The status date is set to 3 July 2008, the date we updated the actuals
to.

For the task that are not complete I would have expected
BCWS=BCWP=ACWP
+Remaining Work. It does not. For the open task BCWS <> BCWP,
however BCWP + ACWP for the open task.

What's really wierd is if I choose a different view, same baseline,
the fields (Start, duration, work ect...) used to determine the EV
data are the same.

Mike

Hi Mike,

If the file is not overly large and you'd care to, zip it and send it
to me by email. My email address is prjng at maine dot rr dot com.
I'll take a look and see what if I can discover what is happening.

Julie
 
M

mikecrews00

<Mike wrote in message

<snip>
Julie ~ It is very strange.  There are numerous task that are 100%
complete but BCWS <> BCWP ?!?

The status date is set to 3 July 2008, the date we updated the actuals
to.

For the task that are not complete I would have expected
BCWS=BCWP=ACWP
+Remaining Work.  It does not.  For the open task BCWS <> BCWP,
however BCWP + ACWP for the open task.

What's really wierd is if I choose a different view, same baseline,
the fields (Start, duration, work ect...) used to determine the EV
data are the same.

Mike

Hi Mike,

If the file is not overly large and you'd care to, zip it and send it
to me by email.  My email address is prjng at maine dot rr dot com.
I'll take a look and see what if I can discover what is happening.

Julie


Julie ~ Thanks for the offer but regretfully I can not send you the
file. I'm a DoD contractor and the file is for an on-going project
and contains rates which makes the file proprietary.

I’m looking at one task that is 100% complete, using the task usage
view, at the assignment level (where the resource working the task is
at) BCWS=BCWP=ACWP, however at the task level, where the assignment
data is rolled up to) BCWS<>BCWP?!?!?

Looking at the task usage, it appears MDSP didn’t rebaseline
properly. I tried clearing the baseline and setting it again but no
joy! ugh!!
 
J

JulieS

<Mike wrote in message

<snip>
Julie ~ It is very strange. There are numerous task that are 100%
complete but BCWS <> BCWP ?!?

The status date is set to 3 July 2008, the date we updated the
actuals
to.

For the task that are not complete I would have expected
BCWS=BCWP=ACWP
+Remaining Work. It does not. For the open task BCWS <> BCWP,
however BCWP + ACWP for the open task.

What's really wierd is if I choose a different view, same baseline,
the fields (Start, duration, work ect...) used to determine the EV
data are the same.

Mike

Hi Mike,

If the file is not overly large and you'd care to, zip it and send
it
to me by email. My email address is prjng at maine dot rr dot com.
I'll take a look and see what if I can discover what is happening.

Julie

Julie ~ Thanks for the offer but regretfully I can not send you the
file. I'm a DoD contractor and the file is for an on-going project
and contains rates which makes the file proprietary.

I’m looking at one task that is 100% complete, using the task usage
view, at the assignment level (where the resource working the task is
at) BCWS=BCWP=ACWP, however at the task level, where the assignment
data is rolled up to) BCWS<>BCWP?!?!?

Looking at the task usage, it appears MDSP didn’t rebaseline
properly. I tried clearing the baseline and setting it again but no
joy! ugh!!

Hi Mike I understand about not being able to send the file.

On the tasks where the assignment information is not matching the task
information -- do you have resources assigned to the tasks whose cost
accrual is something other than prorated? The only way I can
reproduce what I think you are seeing is if I have a task marked 100%,
the status date is *before* the tasks completion date and I have
resources (material) with a cost accrual set to end. Because the end
date of the task wasn't scheduled to occur on the status date, the
resource cost for the resources with end accrual aren't counted.

Julie
 
M

mikecrews00

Hi Mike I understand about not being able to send the file.

On the tasks where the assignment information is not matching the task
information -- do you have resources assigned to the tasks whose cost
accrual is something other than prorated?  The only way I can
reproduce what I think you are seeing is if I have a task marked 100%,
the status date is *before* the tasks completion date and I have
resources (material) with a cost accrual set to end.  Because the end
date of the task wasn't scheduled to occur on the status date, the
resource cost for the resources with end accrual aren't counted.

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Julie ~ Thanks for trying to help.

On the task I was refering to ealier, it finished well before the
status date, cost accrual is prorated. I've pasted an etract below.

% Complete BCWP BCWS ACWP
Task 100% $8,438.81 $8,497.66 $8,497.66
Resource $8,497.66 $8,497.66 $8,497.66

Makes no sense!!
 
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JulieS

Hi Mike I understand about not being able to send the file.

On the tasks where the assignment information is not matching the
task
information -- do you have resources assigned to the tasks whose
cost
accrual is something other than prorated? The only way I can
reproduce what I think you are seeing is if I have a task marked
100%,
the status date is *before* the tasks completion date and I have
resources (material) with a cost accrual set to end. Because the end
date of the task wasn't scheduled to occur on the status date, the
resource cost for the resources with end accrual aren't counted.

Julie- Hide quoted text -

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Julie ~ Thanks for trying to help.
On the task I was refering to ealier, it finished well before the
status date, cost accrual is prorated. I've pasted an etract below.
% Complete BCWP BCWS ACWP
Task 100% $8,438.81 $8,497.66 $8,497.66
Resource $8,497.66 $8,497.66 $8,497.66
Makes no sense!!

I must admit I'm completely baffled as well. Does there appear to be
any pattern to the tasks which the values don't match -- same resource
assigned? Is it always off by the same amount of $ - $58.85 or some
multiplier of that number?

It is possible that some corruption has been introduced into the file,
so try (on a copy) the ideas outlined under FAQ # 43 at
http://project.mvps.org/faqs.htm

Do keep us posted and I'll also post back if I come up with other
ideas or can replicate.

Julie
 
J

JulieS

Hi Mike I understand about not being able to send the file.

On the tasks where the assignment information is not matching the
task
information -- do you have resources assigned to the tasks whose
cost
accrual is something other than prorated? The only way I can
reproduce what I think you are seeing is if I have a task marked
100%,
the status date is *before* the tasks completion date and I have
resources (material) with a cost accrual set to end. Because the end
date of the task wasn't scheduled to occur on the status date, the
resource cost for the resources with end accrual aren't counted.

Julie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Julie ~ Thanks for trying to help.

On the task I was refering to ealier, it finished well before the
status date, cost accrual is prorated. I've pasted an etract below.

% Complete BCWP BCWS ACWP
Task 100% $8,438.81 $8,497.66 $8,497.66
Resource $8,497.66 $8,497.66 $8,497.66

Makes no sense!!

Hi Mike,

Quick question -- is the extract above from the Task Usage view
*before* the Actual Finish date of the task? I can reproduce what you
report - Task BCWP <> Assignment BCWP even after rebaselining when I
look at data from before the task's actual finish date. However, at
the task finish date and beyond, all time-phased data shows ACWP =
BCWP = BCWS for both assignment and task lines.

Julie
 
M

mikecrews00

Hi Mike,

Quick question -- is the extract above from the Task Usage view
*before* the Actual Finish date of the task?  I can reproduce what you
report  - Task BCWP <> Assignment BCWP even after rebaselining when I
look at data from before the task's actual finish date.  However, at
the task finish date and beyond, all time-phased data shows ACWP =
BCWP = BCWS for both assignment and task lines.

Julie- Hide quoted text -

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.
Julie ~ It is copied from the left side of task usage view not from
the time phased data on the right of the task usage view.

I've done some more digging, and it appears MSP just can't add. All
the schedules we use are fairly large (2000-8,000 lines/5-10mg) are
resource loaded with rates that varying by year and run 3-5 years.

I have numerous tasks similar to the example I gave in the earlier
post where “P” is added incorrectly, some where “S” is wrong. Some
have multiple resources, some have one. Some are closed, some are in
progress. I have some with large deltas, some small. What’s more
aggravating when looking at the time phased data, actual, work,
baseline work all have the same values!?!

I've rebaselined the same file several times (copied the original from
the server to my computer) and gotten different result each time.
However, none of the results were the same. Sometimes BCWP is off
sometimes it’s BCWS and sometimes it's both!

I initially thought the issue was due to the file being corrupted/
bloated as you suggested. I followed the directions on the FAQ site
(thanks). The file got a little smaller but no change to the outcome
of rebaselining. I tried earlier version of the file, I even used a
different project’s file to see if it would rebaseline properly and
none of them did.

I’m now trying to figure out how to “fix” the data and can’t seem to
figure how. I was expecting to see anomalies when looking at the
various views/table in MSP but have found any.

At this point I’m totally frustrated, and not sure what to do next to
resolve the issue.


I do appreciate your help!!


Thanks,

Mike
 
J

JulieS

Hi Mike,

My comments are inline with your last reply.
Julie

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Julie Wrote
Hi Mike,

Quick question -- is the extract above from the Task Usage view
*before* the Actual Finish date of the task? I can reproduce what
you
report - Task BCWP <> Assignment BCWP even after rebaselining when I
look at data from before the task's actual finish date. However, at
the task finish date and beyond, all time-phased data shows ACWP =
BCWP = BCWS for both assignment and task lines.

Julie- Hide quoted text -

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Mike said:
Julie ~ It is copied from the left side of task usage view not from
the time phased data on the right of the task usage view.

[Julie] Thanks, I can see the same thing in testing when the status
date is before the finish date of the task.
I've done some more digging, and it appears MSP just can't add.

[Julie] I'm not willing to disagree with you at this point but I
think there is an explanation as to why Assignment BCWS and Task BCWS
don't match on tasks that are not 100% complete. At a task level BCWS
is based upon % complete -- a duration measurement. At the assignment
level, it appears to be based upon % work complete -- a work
measurement. It's fairly easy to create a circumstance where % work
complete and % complete are not equal. If the task is in progress,
Task BCWP <> Assignment BCWP if % complete <> % work complete.
However, if the task is complete (no remaining duration and no
remaining work) all should equal at the end. When rebaselining, all
completed tasks' variances should go to zero. I do still see
differences in BCWP on a task and assignment level if I look at
time-phased info before the finish date.
All
the schedules we use are fairly large (2000-8,000 lines/5-10mg) are
resource loaded with rates that varying by year and run 3-5 years.

I have numerous tasks similar to the example I gave in the earlier
post where “P” is added incorrectly, some where “S” is wrong. Some
have multiple resources, some have one. Some are closed, some are in
progress. I have some with large deltas, some small. What’s more
aggravating when looking at the time phased data, actual, work,
baseline work all have the same values!?!

[Julie] I would expect Actual Work, Work, and Baseline Work to be the
same if you've re-baselined and the task is 100% work complete.
I've rebaselined the same file several times (copied the original
from
the server to my computer) and gotten different result each time.
However, none of the results were the same. Sometimes BCWP is off
sometimes it’s BCWS and sometimes it's both!
I initially thought the issue was due to the file being corrupted/
bloated as you suggested. I followed the directions on the FAQ site
(thanks). The file got a little smaller but no change to the outcome
of rebaselining. I tried earlier version of the file, I even used a
different project’s file to see if it would rebaseline properly and
none of them did.
I’m now trying to figure out how to “fix” the data and can’t seem to
figure how. I was expecting to see anomalies when looking at the
various views/table in MSP but have found any.

[Julie] I'm not sure there is a fix. It appears as though comparing
assignment earned value to task earned value is a path to madness.
Does there appear to be an use at looking at solely task earned value
and not trying to reconcil the assignment data with the task data.
At this point I’m totally frustrated, and not sure what to do next to
resolve the issue.

[Julie] I understand completely and really wish I could come up with
a wonderful answer for you. Like you, I've spent more time in earned
value calculations over the last day that I ever really want to :)

I do appreciate your help!!

[Julie] Thanks for that, Mike. I'll keep pondering and experimenting
and see if I can duplicate what you report. And then figure out why!
 

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