Recommend tutorial books

[xfile]

Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited budget, I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB as the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and with "many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus on one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[clintonG]

The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX specializes in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly respected by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work -- learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started you should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts through all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is that all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when you learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed especially for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005 Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements for HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of work but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even learn to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be available -- at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have a chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the benefits of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/

 

[xfile]

Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned that is
almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that is out
of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it. I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to use it, and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or used by one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively. This is one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works such as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page and then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is hesitate to
use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.

The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX specializes in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts through all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed especially for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005 Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements for HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of work but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even learn to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the benefits of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/

Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget, I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB as the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and with "many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus on one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[clintonG]

You're going to find all books have some errors of some type. The better
authors usually publish errata on a website. WROX is good in this regard and
they publish the code too.

Stick with C# for the reason I stated which is as true for Java as it is for
JavaScript. When you learn any of these languages you learn them all -- for
the most part -- as they are all based on C. It takes time to build your
confidence. The point is not to quit.

Many of us choose to continue to work with our favorit editors in a make-do
side-by-side mode with Visual Studio.NET. My choice has been HomeSite. I
always have a Notepad++ running as well not to mention Dreamweaver or
FrontPage.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned that is
almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that is out
of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it. I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to use it, and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or used by one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively. This is one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works such as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page and then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is hesitate to
use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.

The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX specializes in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts through all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed especially for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005 Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements for HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of work but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even learn to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the benefits of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/

Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget, I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB as the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and with "many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus on one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[xfile]

Hi:

Thanks again for the explanations.

I think that I'll buy his book and maybe along with others.

By the way, I did download and install Visual Web Development Express 2005
Beta, but it does not work well at this time. First of all, the initial
setup has never completed after reboot, and there is an unknown error
message saying, conflict in merge.

Secondly, it takes forever to open the remote site, and also produce error
message when I open current ASP pages. But I guess this is because it's a
beta version, and I will try if there is a final version.

Once again, thanks for your kind reply

You're going to find all books have some errors of some type. The better
authors usually publish errata on a website. WROX is good in this regard
and
they publish the code too.

Stick with C# for the reason I stated which is as true for Java as it is
for
JavaScript. When you learn any of these languages you learn them all --
for
the most part -- as they are all based on C. It takes time to build your
confidence. The point is not to quit.

Many of us choose to continue to work with our favorit editors in a
make-do
side-by-side mode with Visual Studio.NET. My choice has been HomeSite. I
always have a Notepad++ running as well not to mention Dreamweaver or
FrontPage.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would
definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned that is
almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that is out
of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it. I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to use it, and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or used by
one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively. This is
one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works such as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page and then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is hesitate to
use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.

The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using
books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX specializes in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts through all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed especially for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and
develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005 Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements for HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of work but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even learn to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the benefits of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/


Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget,
I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB as the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and with "many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content
management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus on one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have
real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure
learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[clintonG]

Express is in beta all right and it takes me a long time to connect to the
SQL Server at my site that is being hosted. Those sorts of issues are
usually more circumstantial to the network itself more so than the
application. Does VWD2005 have a 'passive mode' connectivity setting by any
chance? If so try changing it and see what happens. Of course you can get
started with Web Matrix but AFIK Microsofties will not be putting any more
time into that project now that Express is on the table.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

Hi:

Thanks again for the explanations.

I think that I'll buy his book and maybe along with others.

By the way, I did download and install Visual Web Development Express 2005
Beta, but it does not work well at this time. First of all, the initial
setup has never completed after reboot, and there is an unknown error
message saying, conflict in merge.

Secondly, it takes forever to open the remote site, and also produce error
message when I open current ASP pages. But I guess this is because it's a
beta version, and I will try if there is a final version.

Once again, thanks for your kind reply

You're going to find all books have some errors of some type. The better
authors usually publish errata on a website. WROX is good in this regard
and
they publish the code too.

Stick with C# for the reason I stated which is as true for Java as it is
for
JavaScript. When you learn any of these languages you learn them all --
for
the most part -- as they are all based on C. It takes time to build your
confidence. The point is not to quit.

Many of us choose to continue to work with our favorit editors in a
make-do
side-by-side mode with Visual Studio.NET. My choice has been HomeSite. I
always have a Notepad++ running as well not to mention Dreamweaver or
FrontPage.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would
definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned

that
is

almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that

is
out

of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it. I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to use it, and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or used by
one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively. This is
one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works such as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page and then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is

hesitate
to

use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.


"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using
books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX

specializes
in

project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts

through
all

of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed especially for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and
develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005 Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements for HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of work but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even

learn
to

blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the

benefits
of

the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/


Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget,
I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB

as
the

platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and with "many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content
management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus

on
one

topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have
real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure
learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[xfile]

Hi,

Thanks and I will change and test accordingly.

Express is in beta all right and it takes me a long time to connect to the
SQL Server at my site that is being hosted. Those sorts of issues are
usually more circumstantial to the network itself more so than the
application. Does VWD2005 have a 'passive mode' connectivity setting by
any
chance? If so try changing it and see what happens. Of course you can get
started with Web Matrix but AFIK Microsofties will not be putting any more
time into that project now that Express is on the table.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

Hi:

Thanks again for the explanations.

I think that I'll buy his book and maybe along with others.

By the way, I did download and install Visual Web Development Express
2005
Beta, but it does not work well at this time. First of all, the initial
setup has never completed after reboot, and there is an unknown error
message saying, conflict in merge.

Secondly, it takes forever to open the remote site, and also produce
error
message when I open current ASP pages. But I guess this is because it's
a
beta version, and I will try if there is a final version.

Once again, thanks for your kind reply

You're going to find all books have some errors of some type. The
better
authors usually publish errata on a website. WROX is good in this
regard
and
they publish the code too.

Stick with C# for the reason I stated which is as true for Java as it
is
for
JavaScript. When you learn any of these languages you learn them all --
for
the most part -- as they are all based on C. It takes time to build
your
confidence. The point is not to quit.

Many of us choose to continue to work with our favorit editors in a
make-do
side-by-side mode with Visual Studio.NET. My choice has been HomeSite.
I
always have a Notepad++ running as well not to mention Dreamweaver or
FrontPage.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/



Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching
books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would
definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned that
is
almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it
anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that is
out
of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it. I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to use
it,
and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or used by
one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively. This is
one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works such as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For
example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page and
then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is hesitate
to
use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.


"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using
books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX specializes
in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly
respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts through
all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when
you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use
Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed
especially
for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and
develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005
Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements for
HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of
work
but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even learn
to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be
available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have
a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the benefits
of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/


Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget,
I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB as
the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and with
"many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content
management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus on
one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have
real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure
learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[xfile]

Hi:

I am thinking to buy 2-3 from the following selections, and wondering if
anyone has any comments. I selected them (from Amazon) based on customer
review, table of contents, and selling records:

(A) Creating Database Web Applications with PHP and ASP by Jeanine Meyer
(B) Sams Teach Yourself E-Commerce Programming with ASP in 21 Days by
Stephen Walther, Steve Banick, Jonathan Levine
(C) Beginning Active Server Pages 3.0 (Programmer to Programmer) by David
Buser, John Kauffman, Juan T. Llibre, Brian Francis, Dave Sussman, Chris
Ullman, Jon Duckett
(D) Beginning ASP.NET 1.1 E-Commerce: From Novice to Professional by
Cristian Darie, Karli Watson
(E) Access 2003 Programming By Example With Vba, Xml, And Asp by Julitta
Korol (Not yet released)

I am considering (E) simply because I will be using Access 2003 as the
backend for a while until I have the budget to purchase MS SQL, and there
are very little examples for Access 2003 with ASP, VBA and so on.

Any comments are deeply appreciated especially if you have read and used any
of the above. Again, it is my wish to use these as a "tool" for daily work
and not for academic learning,

Thanks again.

Hi,

Thanks and I will change and test accordingly.

Express is in beta all right and it takes me a long time to connect to
the
SQL Server at my site that is being hosted. Those sorts of issues are
usually more circumstantial to the network itself more so than the
application. Does VWD2005 have a 'passive mode' connectivity setting by
any
chance? If so try changing it and see what happens. Of course you can get
started with Web Matrix but AFIK Microsofties will not be putting any
more
time into that project now that Express is on the table.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

Hi:

Thanks again for the explanations.

I think that I'll buy his book and maybe along with others.

By the way, I did download and install Visual Web Development Express
2005
Beta, but it does not work well at this time. First of all, the initial
setup has never completed after reboot, and there is an unknown error
message saying, conflict in merge.

Secondly, it takes forever to open the remote site, and also produce
error
message when I open current ASP pages. But I guess this is because it's
a
beta version, and I will try if there is a final version.

Once again, thanks for your kind reply



"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
You're going to find all books have some errors of some type. The
better
authors usually publish errata on a website. WROX is good in this
regard
and
they publish the code too.

Stick with C# for the reason I stated which is as true for Java as it
is
for
JavaScript. When you learn any of these languages you learn them
all --
for
the most part -- as they are all based on C. It takes time to build
your
confidence. The point is not to quit.

Many of us choose to continue to work with our favorit editors in a
make-do
side-by-side mode with Visual Studio.NET. My choice has been HomeSite.
I
always have a Notepad++ running as well not to mention Dreamweaver or
FrontPage.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/



Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching
books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would
definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned that
is
almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it
anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that is
out
of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it. I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to use
it,
and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or used
by
one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively. This
is
one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works such
as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For
example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page
and
then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is hesitate
to
use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.


"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using
books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX specializes
in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly
respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started
you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts through
all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when
you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use
Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed
especially
for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and
develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005
Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements
for
HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of
work
but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even learn
to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be
available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have
a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the benefits
of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/


Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget,
I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB as
the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and
with
"many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content
management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus on
one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have
real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure
learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[clintonG]

Skip all the others for now and look for a used copy of

(C) Beginning Active Server Pages 3.0 (Programmer to Programmer) by David
Buser, John Kauffman, Juan T. Llibre, Brian Francis, Dave Sussman, Chris

but but the the 2.0 version instead of the 3.0 version. The 2.0 version of
the
book is much better than the 3.0 book and the changes between ASP 2.0
and 3.0 were very minimum. Nothing you can't learn from articles published
to the web because it was really one one server object that changed.

The 2.0 version published by WROX is a well-known classic. Get that
and you won't need the others as the 2.0 book covers databases noting you
are not doing 'Access' programming (using VBA) you are going to do
'web development' using ASP (VBscript) using the .mdb file the JET
database creates when using the Access GUI front-end.

Don't got too many books at first. Get the ASP 2.0 book.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

Hi:

I am thinking to buy 2-3 from the following selections, and wondering if
anyone has any comments. I selected them (from Amazon) based on customer
review, table of contents, and selling records:

(A) Creating Database Web Applications with PHP and ASP by Jeanine Meyer
(B) Sams Teach Yourself E-Commerce Programming with ASP in 21 Days by
Stephen Walther, Steve Banick, Jonathan Levine
(C) Beginning Active Server Pages 3.0 (Programmer to Programmer) by David
Buser, John Kauffman, Juan T. Llibre, Brian Francis, Dave Sussman, Chris
Ullman, Jon Duckett
(D) Beginning ASP.NET 1.1 E-Commerce: From Novice to Professional by
Cristian Darie, Karli Watson
(E) Access 2003 Programming By Example With Vba, Xml, And Asp by Julitta
Korol (Not yet released)

I am considering (E) simply because I will be using Access 2003 as the
backend for a while until I have the budget to purchase MS SQL, and there
are very little examples for Access 2003 with ASP, VBA and so on.

Any comments are deeply appreciated especially if you have read and used any
of the above. Again, it is my wish to use these as a "tool" for daily work
and not for academic learning,

Thanks again.

Hi,

Thanks and I will change and test accordingly.

Express is in beta all right and it takes me a long time to connect to
the
SQL Server at my site that is being hosted. Those sorts of issues are
usually more circumstantial to the network itself more so than the
application. Does VWD2005 have a 'passive mode' connectivity setting by
any
chance? If so try changing it and see what happens. Of course you can get
started with Web Matrix but AFIK Microsofties will not be putting any
more
time into that project now that Express is on the table.

<%= Clinton Gallagher



Hi:

Thanks again for the explanations.

I think that I'll buy his book and maybe along with others.

By the way, I did download and install Visual Web Development Express
2005
Beta, but it does not work well at this time. First of all, the initial
setup has never completed after reboot, and there is an unknown error
message saying, conflict in merge.

Secondly, it takes forever to open the remote site, and also produce
error
message when I open current ASP pages. But I guess this is because it's
a
beta version, and I will try if there is a final version.

Once again, thanks for your kind reply



"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
You're going to find all books have some errors of some type. The
better
authors usually publish errata on a website. WROX is good in this
regard
and
they publish the code too.

Stick with C# for the reason I stated which is as true for Java as it
is
for
JavaScript. When you learn any of these languages you learn them
all --
for
the most part -- as they are all based on C. It takes time to build
your
confidence. The point is not to quit.

Many of us choose to continue to work with our favorit editors in a
make-do
side-by-side mode with Visual Studio.NET. My choice has been HomeSite.
I
always have a Notepad++ running as well not to mention Dreamweaver or
FrontPage.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/



Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching
books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would
definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned
that
is
almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it
anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that
is
out
of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it.
I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to use
it,
and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or used
by
one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively. This
is
one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works such
as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For
example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page
and
then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is
hesitate
to
use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.


"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using
books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX
specializes
in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly
respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started
you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts
through
all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who
support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is
that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike when
you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so
many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use
Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed
especially
for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and
develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005
Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements
for
HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of
work
but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's and
learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even
learn
to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be
available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have
a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the
benefits
of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/


Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget,
I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire
professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB
as
the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and
with
"many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management, content
management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus
on
one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have
real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure
learning.

Thanks in advance.

 

[xfile]

Hi:

You're right. I guess that I got confused by what am I really doing. I am
not going to do Access programming, and instead, I am doing as you said, web
application development with the database created by Access. And in the
past few days, things have been changed, and I am moving to SQL DB
gradually.

I have also read similar comments about the book, as you mentioned, and one
reader also mentioned that some examples or exercises have been taken off
from the 2 and those are good examples.

Unfortunately, I already purchased two books (from Sam) but not including
this one, and I'll buy this one soon.

Many thanks

Skip all the others for now and look for a used copy of

(C) Beginning Active Server Pages 3.0 (Programmer to Programmer) by David
Buser, John Kauffman, Juan T. Llibre, Brian Francis, Dave Sussman, Chris

but but the the 2.0 version instead of the 3.0 version. The 2.0 version of
the
book is much better than the 3.0 book and the changes between ASP 2.0
and 3.0 were very minimum. Nothing you can't learn from articles published
to the web because it was really one one server object that changed.

The 2.0 version published by WROX is a well-known classic. Get that
and you won't need the others as the 2.0 book covers databases noting you
are not doing 'Access' programming (using VBA) you are going to do
'web development' using ASP (VBscript) using the .mdb file the JET
database creates when using the Access GUI front-end.

Don't got too many books at first. Get the ASP 2.0 book.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

Hi:

I am thinking to buy 2-3 from the following selections, and wondering if
anyone has any comments. I selected them (from Amazon) based on customer
review, table of contents, and selling records:

(A) Creating Database Web Applications with PHP and ASP by Jeanine
Meyer
(B) Sams Teach Yourself E-Commerce Programming with ASP in 21 Days by
Stephen Walther, Steve Banick, Jonathan Levine
(C) Beginning Active Server Pages 3.0 (Programmer to Programmer) by David
Buser, John Kauffman, Juan T. Llibre, Brian Francis, Dave Sussman, Chris
Ullman, Jon Duckett
(D) Beginning ASP.NET 1.1 E-Commerce: From Novice to Professional by
Cristian Darie, Karli Watson
(E) Access 2003 Programming By Example With Vba, Xml, And Asp by Julitta
Korol (Not yet released)

I am considering (E) simply because I will be using Access 2003 as the
backend for a while until I have the budget to purchase MS SQL, and there
are very little examples for Access 2003 with ASP, VBA and so on.

Any comments are deeply appreciated especially if you have read and used any
of the above. Again, it is my wish to use these as a "tool" for daily work
and not for academic learning,

Thanks again.

Hi,

Thanks and I will change and test accordingly.


Express is in beta all right and it takes me a long time to connect to
the
SQL Server at my site that is being hosted. Those sorts of issues are
usually more circumstantial to the network itself more so than the
application. Does VWD2005 have a 'passive mode' connectivity setting
by
any
chance? If so try changing it and see what happens. Of course you can get
started with Web Matrix but AFIK Microsofties will not be putting any
more
time into that project now that Express is on the table.

<%= Clinton Gallagher



Hi:

Thanks again for the explanations.

I think that I'll buy his book and maybe along with others.

By the way, I did download and install Visual Web Development Express
2005
Beta, but it does not work well at this time. First of all, the initial
setup has never completed after reboot, and there is an unknown error
message saying, conflict in merge.

Secondly, it takes forever to open the remote site, and also produce
error
message when I open current ASP pages. But I guess this is because it's
a
beta version, and I will try if there is a final version.

Once again, thanks for your kind reply



"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
You're going to find all books have some errors of some type. The
better
authors usually publish errata on a website. WROX is good in this
regard
and
they publish the code too.

Stick with C# for the reason I stated which is as true for Java as it
is
for
JavaScript. When you learn any of these languages you learn them
all --
for
the most part -- as they are all based on C. It takes time to build
your
confidence. The point is not to quit.

Many of us choose to continue to work with our favorit editors in a
make-do
side-by-side mode with Visual Studio.NET. My choice has been HomeSite.
I
always have a Notepad++ running as well not to mention Dreamweaver or
FrontPage.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/



Hi:

Really appreciate your detailed suggestions.

The name, WROX, came across to me when I was (and still am) searching
books
at Amazon. It seems to me that many "readers" put a very high
recommendation on his book except one or two said that the codes
in
exercises don't work, which I am a bit of worried. But I would
definitely
look into that more. Thanks.

For some reason, the name C# always scares me because it implies a
programming language for pros. But if C# is indeed as you mentioned
that
is
almost identical to JavaScript, I would probably have to use it
anyway.
Yes, I found Java is popular and widely used in recent years and that
is
out
of question. Maybe I would take the other way around, learning some
JavaScript for the work and that makes me knowing some C# as well.

Especially thank your link to MS Express IDE, which I am studying it.
I
just downloaded another tool and trying to figure it out how to
use
it,
and
that is MS Web Matrix which I believe is also mentioned and/or
used
by
one
of WROX's books (for VB.NET if I remember correctly).

I would look into all those Express tools and particular Visual
Web
Development.

I have been using FP for some years although not intensively.
This
is
one
good for some basic web development and coding and other works
such
as
publishing. But it seems that my works are getting more and more
complicated and it can't carry out the work more efficiently. For
example,
I have to use "preview with browser" each time to test my ASP page
and
then
tried to find out problems.

I am thinking to use another one to compliment it, but again, is
hesitate
to
use any real pro tool.

Once again, really appreciate your suggestions.


"clintonG" <[email protected]>
???????:[email protected]...
The best way to meet the last statement you made would be by using
books
published by WROX.
Go to a bookstore and check them out and you will see WROX
specializes
in
project oriented publishing and has many titles that are highly
respected
by
experienced web developers.

As for learning VB.NET and ASP.NET you are in for a lot of work --
learning
OOP is not a piece of cake -- since you are just getting started
you
should
learn C# instead of VB.NET. There is a simple reason that cuts
through
all
of the other lame and shortsighted arguments made by those who
support
VB.NET. What you will learn ot masy already know and understand is
that
all
web development requires a mastery of cleint-side scripting
using
JavaScript. Since C# and JavaScript are nearly exactly alike
when
you
learn
one you learn the other one. Hello? Can you say "there are only so
many
hours in a day?"

It would also be best for you to avoid using FrontPage and use
Microsoft's
Express tools [1] as the Express IDE's have been developed
especially
for
people such as yourself; neophytes who want to learn to code and
develop
websites. Use the right tool for the job -- Visual Web Dev 2005
Express --
because FrontPage is lame and crippled when it comes to ASP.NET
development.

If you determine the Express IDE's do not meet your requirements
for
HTML
layout then by all means learn to use FrontPage for that type of
work
but
again, go right for the gold and start with the Express IDE's
and
learn
everything you can about ASP.NET 2.0 *now*. By the time you even
learn
to
blow your nose using the OOP methodology ASP.NET 2.0 will be
available --
at
least with a go-live license if still in beta -- and you might have
a
chance
to keep the pace and most certainly will be able to enjoy the
benefits
of
the new productivity features ASP.NET 2.0 will make possible.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/


Hi:

I am doing a small online start-up business and due to the limited
budget,
I
have to do the technical stuffs myself, rather to hire
professionals.

For many reasons considered, I wish to use ASP.NET, MS SQL, and VB
as
the
platform with so java scripts.

Can anyone recommend me 1-2 books that integrate the above and
with
"many
real-world examples" such as from doing user management,
content
management,
newsletters, to simple catalog and/or promotions and so on.

I know there are many books out there, but many of them only focus
on
one
topic rather to integrate with database, and many don't have
real-world
examples.

It is my wish to use the book as part of the work, instead of pure
learning.

Thanks in advance.