recover file that was saved over

[Buster082]

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)
Processor: intel

I am an idiot. I need both the original file and the modified file. However I saved the new file with the SAVE function rather than SAVE AS. Any way to recover the original file?

 

[CyberTaz]

If the file has not been closed you can use Undo to undo as far back as
necessary then save with a new name. Once the file has been closed, however,
you're out of options.

After-the-fact advice: Always do your Save As *first* in order to avoid such
mishaps Better yet, if the same model needs to be used repeatedly do one
of the following:

1- Save a copy as Word Document Stationery format,
2- Use File> Open & select Copy in the lower left, or
3- Create a template to base new editions of the file on.

You might also consider using Word>Preferences>Save, check the box to Always
create Backup Copy.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[John McGhie]

We have ALL done it...

Several people will claim that they haven't. But they are running for
political election and their statements may be technically at variance with
reality...

Cheers

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)
Processor: intel

I am an idiot. I need both the original file and the modified file. However I
saved the new file with the SAVE function rather than SAVE AS. Any way to
recover the original file?

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[Phillip Jones]

Hey don't you know the difference between Save and Save as in Word.

Save AS makes a clean Pristine version with all the Changes everything
is integrated into the new document.

Save on the other hand just adds changes made each time document open is
amend to the end of the document even though it show on screen as the
changed document. Isn't there a way to to go back to different version.

Maybe my brain is addled , But I seem to recall you could do that in
Word 6.0.1.a (aka Word 95 for Mac). I believe it was either in File or
Edit Menu.

If the file has not been closed you can use Undo to undo as far back as
necessary then save with a new name. Once the file has been closed, however,
you're out of options.

After-the-fact advice: Always do your Save As *first* in order to avoid such
mishaps Better yet, if the same model needs to be used repeatedly do one
of the following:

1- Save a copy as Word Document Stationery format,
2- Use File> Open & select Copy in the lower left, or
3- Create a template to base new editions of the file on.

You might also consider using Word>Preferences>Save, check the box to Always
create Backup Copy.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

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[CyberTaz]

Wellll....

Maybe my brain is addled , But I seem to recall you could do that in
Word 6.0.1.a (aka Word 95 for Mac). I believe it was either in File or
Edit Menu.

I won't comment on the "addled" reference but the feature you're
referring to (I believe) is File> Versions which appeared through 2004 on
the Mac, 2003 on the PC. However, it was *notorious* for corrupting
documents beyond a recoverable state and was thus abandoned in 2007 & 2008.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Kenneth Cohen]

If you happen to have Time Machine doing automatic backups, the previous
version should be in one of the backups unless it was very recently created.

 

[CyberTaz]

Nice try, Ken, but the OP indicated Tiger so no Time Machine

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Phillip Jones]

Aw go and ahead call me addled

Wellll....



I won't comment on the "addled" reference but the feature you're
referring to (I believe) is File> Versions which appeared through 2004 on
the Mac, 2003 on the PC. However, it was *notorious* for corrupting
documents beyond a recoverable state and was thus abandoned in 2007 & 2008.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

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[John McGhie]

Hi Phillip:

No, you're thinking of "Fast Saves". The dreaded Fast Saves has now been
disabled, after a lengthy history of corrupting documents by doing exactly
that.

Now, "Save" will save a clean version each time.

AutoRecover appends changes, but to the Autorecovery file, not to the
document itself. So if Word exits normally, the AutoRecover file is deleted
on the next Open, and you lose the changes.

If you have not "Saved" by the time Word exits, they're gone forever.

Cheers

Hey don't you know the difference between Save and Save as in Word.

Save AS makes a clean Pristine version with all the Changes everything
is integrated into the new document.

Save on the other hand just adds changes made each time document open is
amend to the end of the document even though it show on screen as the
changed document. Isn't there a way to to go back to different version.

Maybe my brain is addled , But I seem to recall you could do that in
Word 6.0.1.a (aka Word 95 for Mac). I believe it was either in File or
Edit Menu.

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[Phillip Jones]

Well what the point in having Save over Save AS if they both do the same
thing.

I was taught that in save any changes to what ever was appended to end
of the document and when you opened it just showed document based on the
the last changes. Then Save as You make a completely new document and
all the append changes go in their rightful place from the last document
change you made. In some cases doing save as could reduce a document's
size as much as 50% depending upon how many times it had been worked on.

It seems to still work that way in other applications. Has this gone out
the window in modern times with office.

Hi Phillip:

No, you're thinking of "Fast Saves". The dreaded Fast Saves has now been
disabled, after a lengthy history of corrupting documents by doing exactly
that.

Now, "Save" will save a clean version each time.

AutoRecover appends changes, but to the Autorecovery file, not to the
document itself. So if Word exits normally, the AutoRecover file is deleted
on the next Open, and you lose the changes.

If you have not "Saved" by the time Word exits, they're gone forever.

Cheers

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[John McGhie]

Hi Phillip:

Well what the point in having Save over Save AS if they both do the same
thing.

They don't! Save saves the changes to the current file. Save As,
creates a new file, with optionally a different file format.

"Save" is actually a sequence of "Write new file", "Delete old file",
"Rename New file".

If you have "Always make backup" enabled, "Save" is much safer: Then, it
"Writes the new file to a temporary file", "Renames the backup file",
"Renames the current file to backup", "Renames the Temporary file to Current
file name", then deletes the old backup.

So: Write, Rename, Rename, Rename, Delete. The safety comes from the fact
that if you get a power spike at ay point in the process, you can ALWAYS get
back to where you want to be without losing any data.

Unless Word blows up before the first save. Which is WHY we teach users
when creating a new document to FIRST save it and give it a file name BEFORE
creating any text. As soon as you give the document a file name, Word
creates an AutoRecover file for it and you are protected. If you have NEVER
saved a document, it has no autorecovery file, and if Word goes bang, you've
lost it.

"Save As" is much simpler: it simply writes a new file.

I was taught that in save any changes to what ever was appended to end
of the document and when you opened it just showed document based on the
the last changes. Then Save as You make a completely new document and
all the append changes go in their rightful place from the last document
change you made. In some cases doing save as could reduce a document's
size as much as 50% depending upon how many times it had been worked on.

Yes. You are talking about the old "Fast Saves" mechanism, which has been
taken away because it caused so much damage to so many documents. Another
good reason for removing it was that the "fast" saves were in fact SLOWER
than the "Full" saves on a modern disk drive using a modern file system.
Word can still read a fast-saved document, but it will never perform a "fast
save" now.

It seems to still work that way in other applications. Has this gone out
the window in modern times with office.

I think Word was the ONLY application in the known universe that ever did
this, and yes, it has gone.

If you go Waaaaaaayyyyyy back and remember a program named Borland Sprint, I
believe it had the same ability to append changes to the end of the file,
but it did it differently.

Oh: Don't get confused with "Tracked Changes". If Tracked Changes is
enabled (whether the changes are visible or not...) deleted text will be
marked as deleted but not removed from the document, so both the original
and the changed text will all stay in the file until you resolve the
changes.

Cheers

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[Phillip Jones]

That's fine. If that's the way it works. doesn't make that much
difference. I always do a Save AS and use the same name anyway.

Hi Phillip:



They don't! Save saves the changes to the current file. Save As,
creates a new file, with optionally a different file format.

"Save" is actually a sequence of "Write new file", "Delete old file",
"Rename New file".

If you have "Always make backup" enabled, "Save" is much safer: Then, it
"Writes the new file to a temporary file", "Renames the backup file",
"Renames the current file to backup", "Renames the Temporary file to Current
file name", then deletes the old backup.

So: Write, Rename, Rename, Rename, Delete. The safety comes from the fact
that if you get a power spike at ay point in the process, you can ALWAYS get
back to where you want to be without losing any data.

Unless Word blows up before the first save. Which is WHY we teach users
when creating a new document to FIRST save it and give it a file name BEFORE
creating any text. As soon as you give the document a file name, Word
creates an AutoRecover file for it and you are protected. If you have NEVER
saved a document, it has no autorecovery file, and if Word goes bang, you've
lost it.

"Save As" is much simpler: it simply writes a new file.


Yes. You are talking about the old "Fast Saves" mechanism, which has been
taken away because it caused so much damage to so many documents. Another
good reason for removing it was that the "fast" saves were in fact SLOWER
than the "Full" saves on a modern disk drive using a modern file system.
Word can still read a fast-saved document, but it will never perform a "fast
save" now.


I think Word was the ONLY application in the known universe that ever did
this, and yes, it has gone.

If you go Waaaaaaayyyyyy back and remember a program named Borland Sprint, I
believe it had the same ability to append changes to the end of the file,
but it did it differently.

Oh: Don't get confused with "Tracked Changes". If Tracked Changes is
enabled (whether the changes are visible or not...) deleted text will be
marked as deleted but not removed from the document, so both the original
and the changed text will all stay in the file until you resolve the
changes.

Cheers

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