rephrasing original question of % profit

L

L. T. Portella

My original posting was not clear and I am rephrasing it now.




a b c d e
f
Purchase Purchase Today's Market $ Profit % Profit
Date Price Date Value
1/1/02 100.00 9/4/03 150.00 50.00

given the above, what is the formula that I should put in column f to get
the percentage profit expressed as an annual rate. Please note that the %
profit could NOT be 50%
because almost 18 months have elapsed.

Many thanks
 
A

Alan

L. T. Portella said:
My original posting was not clear and I am rephrasing it now.




a b c d e
f
Purchase Purchase Today's Market $ Profit % Profit
Date Price Date Value
1/1/02 100.00 9/4/03 150.00 50.00

given the above, what is the formula that I should put in column f to get
the percentage profit expressed as an annual rate. Please note that the %
profit could NOT be 50%
because almost 18 months have elapsed.

Many thanks

Hi LT,

Your percentage profit certainly is 50% = (150-100)/100.

However, I suspect that you are asking for your annual return on investment?
This is quite different from the profit percentage.

You annual return will be:

=(((150-100)/100)+1)^(1/(Years))-1

Where Years is the period that you have owned the investment.

In your case it is 18 months = 1.5 years, giving a return on investment of:

=((1+50%)^(1/1.5))-1
=(150%^0.66666....)-1
~31% per annum.

HTH,

Alan.
 
J

JohnI in Brisbane

Alan,

Great answer with the formula!

A little more accurate (as it's less than 1.5 years) would be:-

=((1+E3/B3)^(365/(C3-A3)))-1

giving 35.85%


I tested this forwards & it does indeed give 50% over the period.


regards,

JohnI
 
A

Alan

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"L. T. Portella" <[email protected] <mailto:p[email protected]
in message
<My original posting was not clear and I am rephrasing it now.

a b c d e f
Purchase Purchase Today's Market $ Profit % Profit
Date Price Date Value
1/1/02 100.00 9/4/03 150.00 50.00

given the above, what is the formula that I should put in column f to get
the percentage profit expressed as an annual rate. Please note that the %
profit could NOT be 50%
because almost 18 months have elapsed.

Many thanks

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"Alan" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] in message
<
Hi LT,

Your percentage profit certainly is 50% = (150-100)/100.

However, I suspect that you are asking for your annual return on
investment? This is quite different from the profit percentage.

You annual return will be:

=(((150-100)/100)+1)^(1/(Years))-1

Where Years is the period that you have owned the investment.

In your case it is 18 months = 1.5 years, giving a return on
investment of:

=((1+50%)^(1/1.5))-1
=(150%^0.66666....)-1
~31% per annum.

HTH,

Alan.


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"JohnI in Brisbane" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected] in message
<
Alan,

Great answer with the formula!

A little more accurate (as it's less than 1.5 years) would be:-

=((1+E3/B3)^(365/(C3-A3)))-1

giving 35.85%


I tested this forwards & it does indeed give 50% over the period.


regards,

JohnI


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Hi John,

That is absolutely correct - basically you can get to whatever degree of
accuracy you want (down to days is probably sufficient for almost anyone)
and then calculate your return.

However, I would caution about giving an answer to four significant figures,
when the market valuation that it is based on might be plus or minus 20%.

If that is the case, showing even 32% (two significant figures), might
*imply* a greater degree of certainty that could be defended upon
inspection. This could be regarded as miseleading (at best) to the reader of
the information coming from the model. If the market value was to plus or
minus 20%, then perhaps 30% or 35% might be a better representation (or 33%
plus or minus 5% - but that often confuses people!)

To clarify for others (not John!) you can test back by taking the answer
(31% in my post above), and raising back to the power of the period in
question (1.5 years in my post):

=((1+31%)^(1.5))-1
=150%-1
=50%

Thanks for provoking some thought!

Alan.
 
L

L. T. Portella

Yes you are quite right. I am looking for annual rate of return on
investment.
would you be so kind to resend me the formula. There is a sign that looks
like " ^ " which I do not understand. can you help me with it?
Thank you
Luis
 
L

L. T. Portella

Alan

I used your formula and this is what I got

1/1/02 100 9/4/03 150 50 0.274071006

I literally copied from your email and then pasted your formula on my excel
worksheet =((1+E3/B3)^(365/(C3-A3)))-1 and the result as you can see is
27.41%. Am I doing something wrong? thank you
 
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Alan

L. T. Portella said:
Yes you are quite right. I am looking for annual rate of return on
investment.
would you be so kind to resend me the formula. There is a sign that looks
like " ^ " which I do not understand. can you help me with it?
Thank you
Luis


the

The ^ sign is exactly what you type in Excel. It means 'raise to the power
of'.

Alan.
 
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Alan

Hi Luis,

=((1+E3/B3)^(365/(C3-A3)))-1
=0.376636382367906
~38% per annum

Where:

E3 = 50
B3 = 150

C3 = 9/4/03 = 37720
A3 = 1/1/02 = 37257

C3-A3 = 463 (days) ~ 1.3 years

Not sure where it is going wrong for you. Perhaps pull the sub-calcs out
and do them one by one to find out?

Alan.
 
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JohnI in Brisbane

LT Portella,

You are right, I made a mistake with the dates.
Unfortunately I'm used to using DD/MM/YY format & assumed you meant that.
I checked your figures with MM/DD/YY format & the result is just as you
said, that is 27%.
Of course you have to format the result as a percentage to convert
0.274(etc) to 27%.

regards,

JohnI
 
J

JohnI in Brisbane

Alan,

I apologise for confusing the original poster, I made a mistake with the
dates.
Unfortunately I'm used to using DD/MM/YY format & assumed they meant that.
I checked the figures with MM/DD/YY format & the result is just as they
said, that is 27%.
Of course they have to format the result as a percentage to convert
0.274(etc) to 27%.

regards,

JohnI
 
L

L. T. Portella

Thank you John. Now I have another question. In looking at your formula I
see : =((1+E3/B3)^(365/(C3-A3)))-1 and I am puzzled at the sign ^ that
appears after =((1+e3/b3). What is it?
Once again many thanks and best regards from NY
 
L

L. T. Portella

OK and where do I find that sign on the keyboard. I can readily see < and >
but not your ^
Best regards
Luis
 
L

L. T. Portella

John
Instead of using the variable years couldn't I use the dates that appear on
cells. If so, how can I do it. I have tried it and I get all kinds of crazy
answers
Once again many thanks
 
J

JohnI in Brisbane

Luis,

The "^" symbol on my keyboard is <Shift> <6> key on the top row above the
alphabetic keyboard.
Since I believe we use the standard US keyboard, it ought to be the same for
you. (I hope.)

It represents exponentiation ( or to the power of ). For example 10^2 = 100
(10x10), 10^3 = 1000 (10x10x10), etc.

regards,

JohnI

From Sunny Brisbane in Australia
 
J

JohnI in Brisbane

Luis,

Dates in formulas have to be inserted using quotes or the DATEVALUE
function-

The two formulas below worked for me, I usually use the top format to ensure
the date calcultaes properly-

=((1+50/100)^(365/(DATEVALUE("04-Sep-2003")-DATEVALUE("01-Jan-2002"))))-1


=((1+50/100)^(365/("04-Sep-2003"-"01-Jan-2002")))-1

regards,

JohnI
 
L

L. T. Portella

..
JohnI in Brisbane said:
Alan,

I apologise for confusing the original poster, I made a mistake with the
dates.
Unfortunately I'm used to using DD/MM/YY format & assumed they meant that.
I checked the figures with MM/DD/YY format & the result is just as they
said, that is 27%.
Of course they have to format the result as a percentage to convert
0.274(etc) to 27%.

regards,

JohnI
 
A

Alan

L. T. Portella said:
OK and where do I find that sign on the keyboard. I can readily see < and

but not your ^
Best regards
Luis

Hi Luis,

On my keyboard it is shift 6 - when you find it on your keyboard, perhaps
you could post back for reference for others to fund it too?

It is also Unicode character 0x5E I believe.

Alan.
 
L

L. T. Portella

Thank you John
Best regards
Luis



JohnI in Brisbane said:
Luis,

Dates in formulas have to be inserted using quotes or the DATEVALUE
function-

The two formulas below worked for me, I usually use the top format to ensure
the date calcultaes properly-

=((1+50/100)^(365/(DATEVALUE("04-Sep-2003")-DATEVALUE("01-Jan-2002"))))-1


=((1+50/100)^(365/("04-Sep-2003"-"01-Jan-2002")))-1

regards,

JohnI


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