Restoring Autorecovery of Normal Template?

J

john

Hi everybody

I've spent much time making changes to the Word 2004 Normal template,
them Word suddenly quit unexpectedly.

I've found the Autorecovery Save of Normal in the Microsoft User Data
folder in Documents. How can I open it and have it replace the Normal
template?

Many thanks

John
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

I've spent much time making changes to the Word 2004 Normal template,
them Word suddenly quit unexpectedly.

I've found the Autorecovery Save of Normal in the Microsoft User Data
folder in Documents. How can I open it and have it replace the Normal
template?

Hi John,

Interesting one. I don't know enough about Word's autorecovery to know
whether that file is really a template. Look at the Kind information in the
Finder, it should tell you whether it is a Microsoft Word document or
Microsoft Word template.

If it is really a template, there are a couple of potential things you might
do, though I'm not sure they will work. However, that also depends on what
type of changes you were making and want to recover. What type of changes
were you making?

If it is not a template, you might be able to do something, depends on the
type of changes you were making.

I assume you had Normal open while you were making changes to it. This is
rarely necessary, and suggests you may have done unwise things, like say,
adding text to a footer.
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi Daiya:

It *may* be. The user should re-name the AutoRecover file (so Word can't
find it) then start Word and use File>Open from the Word menu to attempt to
open the file.

If it is a full AutoRecover, it will open just like a document or template
would. Usually, however, it's incomplete.

Cheers


Hi John,

Interesting one. I don't know enough about Word's autorecovery to know
whether that file is really a template. Look at the Kind information in the
Finder, it should tell you whether it is a Microsoft Word document or
Microsoft Word template.

If it is really a template, there are a couple of potential things you might
do, though I'm not sure they will work. However, that also depends on what
type of changes you were making and want to recover. What type of changes
were you making?

If it is not a template, you might be able to do something, depends on the
type of changes you were making.

I assume you had Normal open while you were making changes to it. This is
rarely necessary, and suggests you may have done unwise things, like say,
adding text to a footer.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
J

john

Hi John and Daiya

Many thanks for your help.

In fact, when I quit Word the AutoRecover Normal template (which I
couldn't open) changed itself into the Normal template, which solved my
problem!
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi John:

Just for the sake of understanding the process, what you observed is NOT
what happened (how unusual -- this is Word, remember...) :)

What happened is this...

1) You Started Word

2) Word could not find a Normal template

3) Word created a new Normal template

4) You quit Word

5) Word wrote the new Normal template out to disk

6) Word deleted the AutoRecover file for Normal template because it shut
down normally.

So: The existing AutoRecover save did not change into anything: it got
deleted. The Normal template you have now was created fresh (and blank) by
Word.

I labour this point simply so you will understand what happens and won't get
surprises in future.

If you are going to add customisations to Normal (and many of is do...) then
over time your Normal template becomes increasingly valuable, because the
effort involved in re-creating it becomes progressively higher.

So keep a backup of Normal if you are customising Word. Each time I make a
formal change (i.e. One I intentionally made...) to Normal, I copy it and
save it with today's date in the file name.

Word will continue to USE the one that's just named "Normal". But I have
versions of Normal going back to year 2000 :)

Cheers


Hi John and Daiya

Many thanks for your help.

In fact, when I quit Word the AutoRecover Normal template (which I
couldn't open) changed itself into the Normal template, which solved my
problem!

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
J

john

John

What I observed does appear to have happened.

There was a Normal template as well as the later Autorecover version.
When I quit, the old Normal disappeared, as did the Autorecover
version, to be replaced by a new Normal with the same creation time
and amendments as the Autorecover version. So I didn't lose the
changes.

I don't pretend to understand what happend, just reporting.

And thanks for the tip about backing up the Normal.

Did you follow the messages about Macro for Table Problems?

Everyone suggests AutoText or AutoCorrect. These work fine for me
while the document is open, but after Quit and Open the table then
appears with borders (when No Borders was specified). Some default
seems to be kicking in and overriding the AutoText.

I'd really appreciate knowing what I should be doing. Is there a
sequence I should be following that I'm not?

Many thanks

John
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi John:

Yeah, I answered your earlier about AutoCorrect.

I was being pedantic about Normal so you understand what's happening. What
you wrote this time is exactly correct: the old Normal was replaced by a new
Normal and the Autorecover save was deleted when that happened.

There's nothing special you should be doing: just hang in there and keep
reading the help. You're in quite a complex area, and some of the tools are
set to do things automatically that are working against you.

You need to read the help very carefully: Microsoft Help is often a little
cryptic: every single word is important :)

But just stick around: we're happy to talk you through these things. That's
why we come here...

Cheers


John

What I observed does appear to have happened.

There was a Normal template as well as the later Autorecover version.
When I quit, the old Normal disappeared, as did the Autorecover
version, to be replaced by a new Normal with the same creation time
and amendments as the Autorecover version. So I didn't lose the
changes.

I don't pretend to understand what happend, just reporting.

And thanks for the tip about backing up the Normal.

Did you follow the messages about Macro for Table Problems?

Everyone suggests AutoText or AutoCorrect. These work fine for me
while the document is open, but after Quit and Open the table then
appears with borders (when No Borders was specified). Some default
seems to be kicking in and overriding the AutoText.

I'd really appreciate knowing what I should be doing. Is there a
sequence I should be following that I'm not?

Many thanks

John

John said:
Hi John:

Just for the sake of understanding the process, what you observed is NOT
what happened (how unusual -- this is Word, remember...) :)

What happened is this...

1) You Started Word

2) Word could not find a Normal template

3) Word created a new Normal template

4) You quit Word

5) Word wrote the new Normal template out to disk

6) Word deleted the AutoRecover file for Normal template because it shut
down normally.

So: The existing AutoRecover save did not change into anything: it got
deleted. The Normal template you have now was created fresh (and blank) by
Word.

I labour this point simply so you will understand what happens and won't get
surprises in future.

If you are going to add customisations to Normal (and many of is do...) then
over time your Normal template becomes increasingly valuable, because the
effort involved in re-creating it becomes progressively higher.

So keep a backup of Normal if you are customising Word. Each time I make a
formal change (i.e. One I intentionally made...) to Normal, I copy it and
save it with today's date in the file name.

Word will continue to USE the one that's just named "Normal". But I have
versions of Normal going back to year 2000 :)

Cheers


Hi John and Daiya

Many thanks for your help.

In fact, when I quit Word the AutoRecover Normal template (which I
couldn't open) changed itself into the Normal template, which solved my
problem!

John
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Daiya:

It *may* be. The user should re-name the AutoRecover file (so Word can't
find it) then start Word and use File>Open from the Word menu to attempt to
open the file.

If it is a full AutoRecover, it will open just like a document or template
would. Usually, however, it's incomplete.

Cheers


On 7/10/06 9:20 AM, in article C14C32E4.7BF6B%[email protected],

On 10/6/06 3:33 PM, "(e-mail address removed)" wrote:
I've spent much time making changes to the Word 2004 Normal template,
them Word suddenly quit unexpectedly.

I've found the Autorecovery Save of Normal in the Microsoft User Data
folder in Documents. How can I open it and have it replace the Normal
template?

Hi John,

Interesting one. I don't know enough about Word's autorecovery to know
whether that file is really a template. Look at the Kind information in
the
Finder, it should tell you whether it is a Microsoft Word document or
Microsoft Word template.

If it is really a template, there are a couple of potential things you
might
do, though I'm not sure they will work. However, that also depends on
what
type of changes you were making and want to recover. What type of changes
were you making?

If it is not a template, you might be able to do something, depends on the
type of changes you were making.

I assume you had Normal open while you were making changes to it. This is
rarely necessary, and suggests you may have done unwise things, like say,
adding text to a footer.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
J

john

Hi John

Many thanks for this.

And for your reply about AutCorrect. But it's still not working. See
my reply.

John said:
Hi John:

Yeah, I answered your earlier about AutoCorrect.

I was being pedantic about Normal so you understand what's happening. What
you wrote this time is exactly correct: the old Normal was replaced by a new
Normal and the Autorecover save was deleted when that happened.

There's nothing special you should be doing: just hang in there and keep
reading the help. You're in quite a complex area, and some of the tools are
set to do things automatically that are working against you.

You need to read the help very carefully: Microsoft Help is often a little
cryptic: every single word is important :)

But just stick around: we're happy to talk you through these things. That's
why we come here...

Cheers


John

What I observed does appear to have happened.

There was a Normal template as well as the later Autorecover version.
When I quit, the old Normal disappeared, as did the Autorecover
version, to be replaced by a new Normal with the same creation time
and amendments as the Autorecover version. So I didn't lose the
changes.

I don't pretend to understand what happend, just reporting.

And thanks for the tip about backing up the Normal.

Did you follow the messages about Macro for Table Problems?

Everyone suggests AutoText or AutoCorrect. These work fine for me
while the document is open, but after Quit and Open the table then
appears with borders (when No Borders was specified). Some default
seems to be kicking in and overriding the AutoText.

I'd really appreciate knowing what I should be doing. Is there a
sequence I should be following that I'm not?

Many thanks

John

John said:
Hi John:

Just for the sake of understanding the process, what you observed is NOT
what happened (how unusual -- this is Word, remember...) :)

What happened is this...

1) You Started Word

2) Word could not find a Normal template

3) Word created a new Normal template

4) You quit Word

5) Word wrote the new Normal template out to disk

6) Word deleted the AutoRecover file for Normal template because it shut
down normally.

So: The existing AutoRecover save did not change into anything: it got
deleted. The Normal template you have now was created fresh (and blank) by
Word.

I labour this point simply so you will understand what happens and won't get
surprises in future.

If you are going to add customisations to Normal (and many of is do...) then
over time your Normal template becomes increasingly valuable, because the
effort involved in re-creating it becomes progressively higher.

So keep a backup of Normal if you are customising Word. Each time I make a
formal change (i.e. One I intentionally made...) to Normal, I copy it and
save it with today's date in the file name.

Word will continue to USE the one that's just named "Normal". But I have
versions of Normal going back to year 2000 :)

Cheers


On 9/10/06 4:34 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "(e-mail address removed)"

Hi John and Daiya

Many thanks for your help.

In fact, when I quit Word the AutoRecover Normal template (which I
couldn't open) changed itself into the Normal template, which solved my
problem!

John
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Daiya:

It *may* be. The user should re-name the AutoRecover file (so Word can't
find it) then start Word and use File>Open from the Word menu to attempt to
open the file.

If it is a full AutoRecover, it will open just like a document or template
would. Usually, however, it's incomplete.

Cheers


On 7/10/06 9:20 AM, in article C14C32E4.7BF6B%[email protected],

On 10/6/06 3:33 PM, "(e-mail address removed)" wrote:
I've spent much time making changes to the Word 2004 Normal template,
them Word suddenly quit unexpectedly.

I've found the Autorecovery Save of Normal in the Microsoft User Data
folder in Documents. How can I open it and have it replace the Normal
template?

Hi John,

Interesting one. I don't know enough about Word's autorecovery to know
whether that file is really a template. Look at the Kind information in
the
Finder, it should tell you whether it is a Microsoft Word document or
Microsoft Word template.

If it is really a template, there are a couple of potential things you
might
do, though I'm not sure they will work. However, that also depends on
what
type of changes you were making and want to recover. What type of changes
were you making?

If it is not a template, you might be able to do something, depends on the
type of changes you were making.

I assume you had Normal open while you were making changes to it. This is
rarely necessary, and suggests you may have done unwise things, like say,
adding text to a footer.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410


--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
J

john

Very many thanks for your offer, John. I have just sent e-mail.

With gratitude.

John said:
I know: I sent you another reply :)

Hang in there: This stuff is complex, and we blurred the lines a bit by
assuming to much knowledge early on.

Send me an email and I'll send you a template with an AutoCorrect and an
AutoText already in it if you like.

Cheers


Hi John

Many thanks for this.

And for your reply about AutCorrect. But it's still not working. See
my reply.

John said:
Hi John:

Yeah, I answered your earlier about AutoCorrect.

I was being pedantic about Normal so you understand what's happening. What
you wrote this time is exactly correct: the old Normal was replaced by a new
Normal and the Autorecover save was deleted when that happened.

There's nothing special you should be doing: just hang in there and keep
reading the help. You're in quite a complex area, and some of the tools are
set to do things automatically that are working against you.

You need to read the help very carefully: Microsoft Help is often a little
cryptic: every single word is important :)

But just stick around: we're happy to talk you through these things. That's
why we come here...

Cheers


On 11/10/06 7:50 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "(e-mail address removed)"

John

What I observed does appear to have happened.

There was a Normal template as well as the later Autorecover version.
When I quit, the old Normal disappeared, as did the Autorecover
version, to be replaced by a new Normal with the same creation time
and amendments as the Autorecover version. So I didn't lose the
changes.

I don't pretend to understand what happend, just reporting.

And thanks for the tip about backing up the Normal.

Did you follow the messages about Macro for Table Problems?

Everyone suggests AutoText or AutoCorrect. These work fine for me
while the document is open, but after Quit and Open the table then
appears with borders (when No Borders was specified). Some default
seems to be kicking in and overriding the AutoText.

I'd really appreciate knowing what I should be doing. Is there a
sequence I should be following that I'm not?

Many thanks

John

John
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi John:

Just for the sake of understanding the process, what you observed is NOT
what happened (how unusual -- this is Word, remember...) :)

What happened is this...

1) You Started Word

2) Word could not find a Normal template

3) Word created a new Normal template

4) You quit Word

5) Word wrote the new Normal template out to disk

6) Word deleted the AutoRecover file for Normal template because it shut
down normally.

So: The existing AutoRecover save did not change into anything: it got
deleted. The Normal template you have now was created fresh (and blank) by
Word.

I labour this point simply so you will understand what happens and won't
get
surprises in future.

If you are going to add customisations to Normal (and many of is do...)
then
over time your Normal template becomes increasingly valuable, because the
effort involved in re-creating it becomes progressively higher.

So keep a backup of Normal if you are customising Word. Each time I make a
formal change (i.e. One I intentionally made...) to Normal, I copy it and
save it with today's date in the file name.

Word will continue to USE the one that's just named "Normal". But I have
versions of Normal going back to year 2000 :)

Cheers


On 9/10/06 4:34 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "(e-mail address removed)"

Hi John and Daiya

Many thanks for your help.

In fact, when I quit Word the AutoRecover Normal template (which I
couldn't open) changed itself into the Normal template, which solved my
problem!

John
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Daiya:

It *may* be. The user should re-name the AutoRecover file (so Word can't
find it) then start Word and use File>Open from the Word menu to attempt
to
open the file.

If it is a full AutoRecover, it will open just like a document or
template
would. Usually, however, it's incomplete.

Cheers


On 7/10/06 9:20 AM, in article
C14C32E4.7BF6B%[email protected],

On 10/6/06 3:33 PM, "(e-mail address removed)" wrote:
I've spent much time making changes to the Word 2004 Normal template,
them Word suddenly quit unexpectedly.

I've found the Autorecovery Save of Normal in the Microsoft User Data
folder in Documents. How can I open it and have it replace the Normal
template?

Hi John,

Interesting one. I don't know enough about Word's autorecovery to know
whether that file is really a template. Look at the Kind information in
the
Finder, it should tell you whether it is a Microsoft Word document or
Microsoft Word template.

If it is really a template, there are a couple of potential things you
might
do, though I'm not sure they will work. However, that also depends on
what
type of changes you were making and want to recover. What type of
changes
were you making?

If it is not a template, you might be able to do something, depends on
the
type of changes you were making.

I assume you had Normal open while you were making changes to it. This
is
rarely necessary, and suggests you may have done unwise things, like
say,
adding text to a footer.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not
email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410


--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410


--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 

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