restoring deleted fonts

[doclabyrinth]

Elliot R., thanks for taking the time--I went through all the steps,
though, and the result was the same at the end: I clicked on the chosen
..ttf font, and nothing happened. No "install" dialogue box. In fact,
when I clicked on the font, it had the effect of fading the screen, the
way one page on your screen fades when you open another one. (Yes, I
did mean the Font Book in the Office folder in Microsoft in
Applications.)

This is a mystery to me, because the fonts are there in the
folder--they didn't just vanish when I Trashed them--yet they
apparently can't be reinstalled. ??

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Why don't you just do a removal and reinstallation of Office as was
suggested earlier? It will certainly solve this problem.

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[Michel Bintener]

Also, for future reference, please try to stick to the same thread; you can
do so by clicking on the reply button or link of whatever interface you are
using. These different topics are quite confusing as they force anyone who
wants to reply to dig through all the other posts to find out what your
original problem was.

A comment regarding Font Book: when you double-click a font, Font Book will
launch and show you a preview of the font, with an Install button in the
lower right window. That's where you need to click if you want to install a
specific font. Also, be careful with your terminology: there is no such
thing as an "Office Font Book". Instead, there is an application called Font
Book that has been part of Mac OS X since Panther (10.3), and there's a font
folder in the Microsoft Office 2004 folder; needless to say that these two
things are not the same and fulfil two completely separate purposes.

Lastly, a re-install of Office, as described in this article
<http://word.mvps.org/Mac/RemoveReinstall.html>, should take care of the
problem. Don't forget to apply any available update subsequently, and let us
know how it went.

Why don't you just do a removal and reinstallation of Office as was
suggested earlier? It will certainly solve this problem.

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[Elliott Roper]

Elliot R., thanks for taking the time--I went through all the steps,
though, and the result was the same at the end: I clicked on the chosen
.ttf font, and nothing happened. No "install" dialogue box. In fact,
when I clicked on the font, it had the effect of fading the screen, the
way one page on your screen fades when you open another one. (Yes, I
did mean the Font Book in the Office folder in Microsoft in
Applications.)

There is no font book in the office folder. What is going on here?

This is a mystery to me, because the fonts are there in the
folder--they didn't just vanish when I Trashed them--yet they
apparently can't be reinstalled. ??

Oh dear! You are in deep trouble with your use of the machine. How did
you originally trash the fonts you thought you trashed?

Are you sure that you are using a Macintosh? "What is this "one screen
fading when you open another one"??
I tried very hard to be precise with my directions, under the
assumption that English is not your first language and that you are
very new to the Mac. But this has me completely fooled.

You are not trolling are you? If so, very well done!

If not, I'd suggest a long session on the web at Apple's support pages
learning about fonts and Font Book
Here are some urls to start with
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301332

http://search.info.apple.com/index.html?search=Go&lr=lang_en&kword=kmosx
4&newstype=&q=fonts&type=khelp

If you can't paste that from your newreader, here is the same thing
courtesy of tinyurl.com

http://tinyurl.com/pr2ab

I know it is supposed to destroy your cred, but do try the help in the
Font Book application.

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

(Yes, I

There is no font book in the office folder. What is going on here?

I think he must be referring just to the Fonts _folder_ in the Office
subfolder of Microsoft Office 2004 folder, and has no idea that you are
referring to an actual application (program) when you're speaking about
"Font Book", Elliott. If someone has never seen or used Font Book before you
know, there's really no way they'd imagine that something called a "Book" is
actually an application.

"<[email protected]>" (you know, it would be nice if you'd sign your
posts with a name of some sort so we know how to speak to you), Font Book is
a program in /Applications folder. Double-click it to run it. Go to its Help
menu to learn about it.

But, honestly, let me echo Beth here. Why have you not simply gone to the
instructions Beth provided earlier to REMOVE OFFICE and reinstall it? That
will reinstall all the Office fonts. However, if you really and truly
trashed Lucida Grande and other fonts from /System/Library/Fonts/ (surely
you didn't really do that???) you'd have to do a clean reinstall of Mac OS
10.4 Tiger too and do the software updates. That's a much bigger deal.

Since you keep starting new threads instead of reply to previous posts I can
no longer find the previous posts and threads to quote to you. You'll have
to go back and find them yourself now.

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[doclabyrinth]

Thank you, Beth. I've heard that reinstallation is an act of last
resort. I have been trying everything else before doing that.

By the way, I am hitting "Reply" that appears at the bottom of your
comments--I hope this is the right way to keep the thread together. It
seems to me that the last time I hit "Reply," the person told me I
should "Post to the group," so I have hit "Post message" since then.
Now I'm being told that this separates the parts of the thread. "Post
message" is the only option I see other than "Cancel" and "Preview."

 

[doclabyrinth]

No, I'm not trolling, and I did follow your instructions exactly. Okay,
here is the really embarrassing part: when I trashed the fonts, I
clicked "Secure Trash." Which means gone, gone, gone. However, I'm
thinking maybe I will leave well enough alone. I got back three of the
twelve fonts, my unread messages in Speakeasy Webmail are boldfaced
again, I should quit while I'm ahead.

Yes, I'm using a Mac. On my screen, if I have several documents
on-screen, clicking on one will cause the others to "fade." (By "fade,"
I don't mean that they dissolve like some kind of movie special effect,
just that such things as the scrollbar turn from blue to gray.)

 

[Elliott Roper]

No, I'm not trolling, and I did follow your instructions exactly. Okay,
here is the really embarrassing part: when I trashed the fonts, I
clicked "Secure Trash." Which means gone, gone, gone. However, I'm
thinking maybe I will leave well enough alone. I got back three of the
twelve fonts, my unread messages in Speakeasy Webmail are boldfaced
again, I should quit while I'm ahead.

Yes, I'm using a Mac. On my screen, if I have several documents
on-screen, clicking on one will cause the others to "fade." (By "fade,"
I don't mean that they dissolve like some kind of movie special effect,
just that such things as the scrollbar turn from blue to gray.)

Oh, That's all right then. Now I understand what you meant. I do
apologise for suggesting that you might be pulling my leg.

What should have happened when you *double* clicked on the font in a
finder window was that the Font Book application should have become
frontmost (gained focus) and the finder window you had frontmost would
have had its toolbar go greyer (lost focus). It seems like you missed
the Font Book window somehow.

I'm glad you got enough fonts back. I do seriously recommend reading
those articles I mentioned before. Fonts is not an easy subject. It is
worth taking some time to discover where Mac OS X hides them, and which
it uses for first choice.

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Trust me: Removal and reinstallation are not that big a deal. Somewhat
time-consuming but very simple.

None of your documents will be touched in this process (though you can
always make a backup of them first if you wish). The article that Michel
and I pointed you to has a step by step. At least take a look at it.

I really think you should do this procedure since chances are you removed
other fonts that Office or your other applications will need at some point.
And when that point comes, it may be so far removed from this episode that
you won't be able to put 2 and 2 together to realize the issue may be
font-related.

As for the problem replying to these posts ... I just checked Google which
is how you're reading this group, right? Hitting Reply is the right thing
to do. The window that opens will have the title of the thread already
filled in. Then, after you type your message, you click Post Message.

Hope this helps.

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[doclabyrinth]

Hello, Paul,

Thanks for further advice. (My name is Erin, by the way.) Yes, I did
truly trash the fonts (I was, mysteriously, able to get back some of
them--any that did not have teh .ttf extension.) I had gotten tired of
scrolling through all of these Asian fonts in the Font drop-down menu
just to find ones I wanted to use, and thought, hey, why not just
delete them! Clean up that menu! Yeah!

I got some skewed information--was told that if I clicked on "Secure
Trash" this would "secure" the fonts someplace where I could get at
them again if I needed them.

Of course, everyone else on the planet knows that "Secure Trash"
actually means the trash is bundled up and thrown where no one can ever
find it, much less access it, again.

My Office 2004 installation disk is in a friend's storage locker, and
he is at Burning Man for several more days. When he returns, I will, I
hope, be able to get the disk. Of course now I am gun-shy about doing
anything unusual on my computer. However, I've noticed that the entries
in my Merrian-Webster and American Heritage Dictionaries, which I
installed a few months ago, are appearing partially in symbols rather
than in letters, so I've got to do something.

 

[Clive Huggan]

Hello Erin,

You might like to consider formatting with styles. That way the font is
applied as a consequence of the style, and you don't need to use the Font
menu. As a consequence, I almost never use that Font menu.

For more information on styles, check Word's Help or read the section on
styles in some notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to
Your Will", which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs'
website (http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html).

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Otherwise, try keying Command-d, then key the first letter of the font you
want to apply (e.g., "v" if you want Verdana). That's usually quicker.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

 

[doclabyrinth]

Hello, Clive,

Thank you for the link to your article.

My concern about the deleted Asian fonts is that they apparently serve
some important non-font functions. Someone published a list of
Microsoft Word fonts that one must NEVER delete--and they were all the
ones I deleted, precisely because most are Asian fonts and I, quite
reasonably, did not expect ever to use Asian fonts. Only later did I
find out that these do other things besides act as fonts.

It must be nearly spring in Australia?

Erin

Hello Erin,

You might like to consider formatting with styles. That way the font is
applied as a consequence of the style, and you don't need to use the Font
menu. As a consequence, I almost never use that Font menu.

For more information on styles, check Word's Help or read the section on
styles in some notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to
Your Will", which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs'
website (http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html).

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Otherwise, try keying Command-d, then key the first letter of the font you
want to apply (e.g., "v" if you want Verdana). That's usually quicker.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

Hello, Paul,

Thanks for further advice. (My name is Erin, by the way.) Yes, I did
truly trash the fonts (I was, mysteriously, able to get back some of
them--any that did not have teh .ttf extension.) I had gotten tired of
scrolling through all of these Asian fonts in the Font drop-down menu
just to find ones I wanted to use, and thought, hey, why not just
delete them! Clean up that menu! Yeah!

I got some skewed information--was told that if I clicked on "Secure
Trash" this would "secure" the fonts someplace where I could get at
them again if I needed them.

Of course, everyone else on the planet knows that "Secure Trash"
actually means the trash is bundled up and thrown where no one can ever
find it, much less access it, again.

My Office 2004 installation disk is in a friend's storage locker, and
he is at Burning Man for several more days. When he returns, I will, I
hope, be able to get the disk. Of course now I am gun-shy about doing
anything unusual on my computer. However, I've noticed that the entries
in my Merrian-Webster and American Heritage Dictionaries, which I
installed a few months ago, are appearing partially in symbols rather
than in letters, so I've got to do something.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Erin:

Just so you don't get confused, it's not correct to say that these Asian
fonts "do other things besides act as fonts."

They don't. They're fonts, and that's what they're used for.

The list is a list of fonts that are mandatory. That's because they are
used in places such as the user interface, or contain characters that are
generated by Word functions. If you take those fonts away, Word can't draw
the characters it needs.

But they're used only as fonts

There are fonts Apple OS considers mandatory too: it can't draw its dialogs
without them

Cheers

Hello, Clive,

Thank you for the link to your article.

My concern about the deleted Asian fonts is that they apparently serve
some important non-font functions. Someone published a list of
Microsoft Word fonts that one must NEVER delete--and they were all the
ones I deleted, precisely because most are Asian fonts and I, quite
reasonably, did not expect ever to use Asian fonts. Only later did I
find out that these do other things besides act as fonts.

It must be nearly spring in Australia?

Erin

Hello Erin,

You might like to consider formatting with styles. That way the font is
applied as a consequence of the style, and you don't need to use the Font
menu. As a consequence, I almost never use that Font menu.

For more information on styles, check Word's Help or read the section on
styles in some notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to
Your Will", which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs'
website (http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html).

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Otherwise, try keying Command-d, then key the first letter of the font you
want to apply (e.g., "v" if you want Verdana). That's usually quicker.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

Hello, Paul,

Thanks for further advice. (My name is Erin, by the way.) Yes, I did
truly trash the fonts (I was, mysteriously, able to get back some of
them--any that did not have teh .ttf extension.) I had gotten tired of
scrolling through all of these Asian fonts in the Font drop-down menu
just to find ones I wanted to use, and thought, hey, why not just
delete them! Clean up that menu! Yeah!

I got some skewed information--was told that if I clicked on "Secure
Trash" this would "secure" the fonts someplace where I could get at
them again if I needed them.

Of course, everyone else on the planet knows that "Secure Trash"
actually means the trash is bundled up and thrown where no one can ever
find it, much less access it, again.

My Office 2004 installation disk is in a friend's storage locker, and
he is at Burning Man for several more days. When he returns, I will, I
hope, be able to get the disk. Of course now I am gun-shy about doing
anything unusual on my computer. However, I've noticed that the entries
in my Merrian-Webster and American Heritage Dictionaries, which I
installed a few months ago, are appearing partially in symbols rather
than in letters, so I've got to do something.


Paul Berkowitz wrote:
On 8/29/06 2:43 AM, in article 290820061043207589%[email protected],
"Elliott

(Yes, I
did mean the Font Book in the Office folder in Microsoft in
Applications.)

There is no font book in the office folder. What is going on here?

I think he must be referring just to the Fonts _folder_ in the Office
subfolder of Microsoft Office 2004 folder, and has no idea that you are
referring to an actual application (program) when you're speaking about
"Font Book", Elliott. If someone has never seen or used Font Book before
you
know, there's really no way they'd imagine that something called a "Book"
is
actually an application.

"<[email protected]>" (you know, it would be nice if you'd sign your
posts with a name of some sort so we know how to speak to you), Font Book
is
a program in /Applications folder. Double-click it to run it. Go to its
Help
menu to learn about it.

But, honestly, let me echo Beth here. Why have you not simply gone to the
instructions Beth provided earlier to REMOVE OFFICE and reinstall it? That
will reinstall all the Office fonts. However, if you really and truly
trashed Lucida Grande and other fonts from /System/Library/Fonts/ (surely
you didn't really do that???) you'd have to do a clean reinstall of Mac OS
10.4 Tiger too and do the software updates. That's a much bigger deal.

Since you keep starting new threads instead of reply to previous posts I
can
no longer find the previous posts and threads to quote to you. You'll have
to go back and find them yourself now.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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