Screen Resolution Limitations, Picture Resizing and Content Loss

[Joe]

This is a bit complicated so please bear with me. I am a web administrator at
my work, and part of the job includes putting together an intranet web site
that contains production line diagrams. Because of their nature, the line
diagrams are much wider than they are tall, with lots of horizontal lines. I
have been using gif images, because of their small size, they tend to work
better than bitmaps, and because they are line drawings, the gif format is
also superior to jpgs, that tend to get distorted. The problem I am running
into is that in order for an entire line to be shown on a webpage, without
needing to scroll sideways to see it, I lose a lot of horizontal lines in the
drawing as I resize. However, when I resize them in word and then copy and
paste them they turn out much better. It works better at higher resolutions,
but since this is for lots of users that don’t have access to display
properties, I have to plan it for a 1024x768 desktop resolution. My question
is, why does word retain more clarity when resizing than FrontPage? is there
any way to resize in front page without losing the clarity that I don’t know
about? Or, is there a way around having picture size be dependent on screen
resolution without losing clarity? Any help would be great, I have been
poking around online for sometime now and cant see to find any new info.

 

[Steve Easton]

Don't use FrontPage to resize images, or word either actually.

Use an image editor. The free IrfanView: www.irfanview.com will do an excellent job.

--
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Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
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Hit Me FP
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[P@tty Ayers]

If you want good image quality, you definitely shouldn't use either
FrontPage or Word to resize images. You want to use a decent graphics
program. It can be a simple one like the one that ships with Windows
computers - something like "Photo Express", I believe? (That might not be
the right title.) But at least use a program whose purpose is manipulating
graphics. You should get much better results.

I don't think FrontPage actually resizes graphics - I'm guessing that you're
setting the image's HTML properties to a smaller set of dimensions, which is
a whole different thing. That causes the browser to resize the graphic, and
browsers don't do a good job of that, either. MS Word, of course, isn't for
graphics at all, so it's surprising that it does an even decent job of
resizing them.

Hope that might help.

 

[P@tty Ayers]

Steve, how do you say *exactly* what I said, but in 1/3 as many words? :-D

 

[Tom Willett]

Patty: because he's a guy? Whoops ;-)

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

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| Steve, how do you say *exactly* what I said, but in 1/3 as many words?
:-D
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| | > Don't use FrontPage to resize images, or word either actually.
| >
| > Use an image editor. The free IrfanView: www.irfanview.com will do an
| > excellent job.
| >
| > --
| > Steve Easton
| > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > FP Cleaner
| > http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
| > Hit Me FP
| > http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
| >
| >
| > | >> This is a bit complicated so please bear with me. I am a web
| >> administrator at
| >> my work, and part of the job includes putting together an intranet web
| >> site
| >> that contains production line diagrams. Because of their nature, the
line
| >> diagrams are much wider than they are tall, with lots of horizontal
| >> lines. I
| >> have been using gif images, because of their small size, they tend to
| >> work
| >> better than bitmaps, and because they are line drawings, the gif format
| >> is
| >> also superior to jpgs, that tend to get distorted. The problem I am
| >> running
| >> into is that in order for an entire line to be shown on a webpage,
| >> without
| >> needing to scroll sideways to see it, I lose a lot of horizontal lines
in
| >> the
| >> drawing as I resize. However, when I resize them in word and then copy
| >> and
| >> paste them they turn out much better. It works better at higher
| >> resolutions,
| >> but since this is for lots of users that don't have access to display
| >> properties, I have to plan it for a 1024x768 desktop resolution. My
| >> question
| >> is, why does word retain more clarity when resizing than FrontPage? is
| >> there
| >> any way to resize in front page without losing the clarity that I don't
| >> know
| >> about? Or, is there a way around having picture size be dependent on
| >> screen
| >> resolution without losing clarity? Any help would be great, I have been
| >> poking around online for sometime now and cant see to find any new
info.
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Murray]

Nyah nyah

 

[P@tty Ayers]

Hey, I can't help it if I'm eloquent. :-D

 

[Steve Easton]

LOL
Probably because I've said it several hundred times, so it's become quite condensed.


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

 

[Murray]

Long in the tooth, too! 8)

 

[Steve Easton]

Sorta like us huh Murray

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[Murray]

Except I have no teeth to be long. But, my nose hairs are pretty
awesome.... 8)

 

[cschiller1]

Talk about too much information!

 

[Steve Easton]

Shucks, part em and wax em and people with think it's a mustache.

--
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Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed..................
...............................with a computer

 

[Murray]

Nah - I use them in my 'secret' comb over.... Along with my eyebrows.

 

[Trevor L.]

If you want good image quality, you definitely shouldn't use either
FrontPage or Word to resize images. You want to use a decent graphics
program. It can be a simple one like the one that ships with Windows
computers - something like "Photo Express", I believe? (That might
not be the right title.) But at least use a program whose purpose is
manipulating graphics. You should get much better results.

Maybe the program you are thinking of is Picture It!.

This is the one that I mainly use, and I didn't buy it, so it must have come with Windows. It is a reasnoably good image editor. Not
having used many others, I can't be too sure, but it does everything I have wanted,

For simple resizing and optimising, the best choice I have found is the free IrfanView www.irfanview.com

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Picture It is installed with some versions of MS Office.

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Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
==============================================
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If you want good image quality, you definitely shouldn't use either
FrontPage or Word to resize images. You want to use a decent graphics
program. It can be a simple one like the one that ships with Windows
computers - something like "Photo Express", I believe? (That might
not be the right title.) But at least use a program whose purpose is
manipulating graphics. You should get much better results.

Maybe the program you are thinking of is Picture It!.

This is the one that I mainly use, and I didn't buy it, so it must have come with Windows. It is a
reasnoably good image editor. Not having used many others, I can't be too sure, but it does
everything I have wanted,

For simple resizing and optimising, the best choice I have found is the free IrfanView
www.irfanview.com
--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
[ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
MVPS Website: http://trevorl.mvps.org/

 

[Joe]

Okay, so I already had irfanview that I have been using since a few hours
after my first post, and it seems to fix one problem. But I still am running
into the screen res. problem. Because of the limitation in pixels I have to
work with, the 1076x768 screens that users are viewing on, I cannot get the
images to show the detail i need without making the browser window need to
scroll horizontally. I have already been told by higher ups that they don’t
want scrolling, but in order to make the page small enough to not need
scrolling, the image comes out crappy and not detailed enough. Is there a way
around this, or am i stuck with a either a bad image, or having to scroll
sideways to view the whole thing?

 

[Murray]

Upload your image and post a link to it please.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

maybe post both; the original and the resized


| Upload your image and post a link to it please.
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| --
| Murray
| --------------
| MVP FrontPage
|
|
| | > Okay, so I already had irfanview that I have been using since a few
hours
| > after my first post, and it seems to fix one problem. But I still am
| > running
| > into the screen res. problem. Because of the limitation in pixels I have
| > to
| > work with, the 1076x768 screens that users are viewing on, I cannot get
| > the
| > images to show the detail i need without making the browser window need
to
| > scroll horizontally. I have already been told by higher ups that they
don't
| > want scrolling, but in order to make the page small enough to not need
| > scrolling, the image comes out crappy and not detailed enough. Is there
a
| > way
| > around this, or am i stuck with a either a bad image, or having to
scroll
| > sideways to view the whole thing?
| >
| > "P@tty Ayers" wrote:
| >
| >> If you want good image quality, you definitely shouldn't use either
| >> FrontPage or Word to resize images. You want to use a decent graphics
| >> program. It can be a simple one like the one that ships with Windows
| >> computers - something like "Photo Express", I believe? (That might not
be
| >> the right title.) But at least use a program whose purpose is
| >> manipulating
| >> graphics. You should get much better results.
| >>
| >> I don't think FrontPage actually resizes graphics - I'm guessing that
| >> you're
| >> setting the image's HTML properties to a smaller set of dimensions,
which
| >> is
| >> a whole different thing. That causes the browser to resize the graphic,
| >> and
| >> browsers don't do a good job of that, either. MS Word, of course, isn't
| >> for
| >> graphics at all, so it's surprising that it does an even decent job of
| >> resizing them.
| >>
| >> Hope that might help.
| >>
| >>
| >> --
| >> Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
| >> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
| >> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
| >> --
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> > This is a bit complicated so please bear with me. I am a web
| >> > administrator
| >> > at
| >> > my work, and part of the job includes putting together an intranet
web
| >> > site
| >> > that contains production line diagrams. Because of their nature, the
| >> > line
| >> > diagrams are much wider than they are tall, with lots of horizontal
| >> > lines.
| >> > I
| >> > have been using gif images, because of their small size, they tend to
| >> > work
| >> > better than bitmaps, and because they are line drawings, the gif
format
| >> > is
| >> > also superior to jpgs, that tend to get distorted. The problem I am
| >> > running
| >> > into is that in order for an entire line to be shown on a webpage,
| >> > without
| >> > needing to scroll sideways to see it, I lose a lot of horizontal
lines
| >> > in
| >> > the
| >> > drawing as I resize. However, when I resize them in word and then
copy
| >> > and
| >> > paste them they turn out much better. It works better at higher
| >> > resolutions,
| >> > but since this is for lots of users that don't have access to display
| >> > properties, I have to plan it for a 1024x768 desktop resolution. My
| >> > question
| >> > is, why does word retain more clarity when resizing than FrontPage?
is
| >> > there
| >> > any way to resize in front page without losing the clarity that I
don't
| >> > know
| >> > about? Or, is there a way around having picture size be dependent on
| >> > screen
| >> > resolution without losing clarity? Any help would be great, I have
been
| >> > poking around online for sometime now and cant see to find any new
| >> > info.
| >>
| >>
| >>
|
|