search functions not working

S

salmonella

My search functions, created by wizards, for both discussion forums and the
normal web search created by FP2003 do not work. I have uninstalled and
installed FP extensions several times for my account on the server, I have
recalculated the hyperlinks with no help. If it is any help, the site use to
work with the FP2002 web version however when i reloaded this version on the
server, the search function no longer works with it either. I am assumeing
that this is a global problem with the server settings- PLEASE HELP

thanks
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Nothing should have changed in relationship to the use of the extensions, as the extensions are
still FP2000 or FP2002. There are no FP2003 extensions.

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S

salmonella

Thomas,
I do not think that it is with FP per se. Can you think of any requirements
on the server side that might not be correct and cause only the search
functions not to work and return an error page saying that the page being
sought could not be found?

Many Thanks,
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Ask the host to run a check on the extensions. Uninstall and re-install will not repair the
extensions, unless they were totally removed.

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Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
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a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
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S

salmonella

Thomas,
I am having the host check on this and other things however I thought that
this may be diagnostic:
I have:
Recalculated the links of the web on the server but when I look at the
component error report, my general web search function “ACME search page†and
my discussion forum pages ending in _srch.htm all have the same error
comment: (“contains an unknown FrontPage component: “Searchâ€)- could this be
a problem within front page and not on the server end??

Thanks
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

That would be server extension related.

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Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
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If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
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S

salmonella

Tom,
I contacted the host and this is what they said:
Thank you for contacting customer support.

Please note that you have your search page redirecting to the following
address upon a search:

http://ralab.info/_derived/nortbots.htm

Please note that this page does not exist in your hosting account. This is
why you receive this OOps page when attempting to use the search function. I
apologize for any previous confusion on this issue. >

I am totally lost. All I know is that if I have FP creat anything with a
search function in it, it does not work and that it use to work on the same
account. Does this make sense to you?????

Help Please!!!
 
R

Ronx

nortbots.htm only appears in four cases:
1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.
2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running
3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination. Publish must be to
a URL of the form http://example.com
4) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.

In your case, it looks as if you uploaded the form using FTP, but not
the supporting files ( _derived/nortbots.htm )
If FTP has been used, you may need to re-install the extensions on
your server, then http publish the web, using
File->Publish Web/Site, and use a destination address similar to
http://www.example.com (where example.com is replaced by your domain).
 
S

salmonella

Ron,
Thanks for taking the time to take a wack at this problem but it does not
seem to have a simple fix. In response to the posible causes, I am publishing
http to a server on a comercial host that has the MS extensions installed and
I am using FP2003, not 98. Let me briefly highlight the major points that may
help you think of something.

1. All search functions do not work, both on the "ACME" search on the home
page and the search within discussion forums where people can search posted
comments.
2. It use to work when I had a 2002FP web but died sometime after. When I
deleated my 2003 web and reloaded the 2002, that originally did work, - it
also no longer works
3.the nortbots that the tech was refering to is found in a folder on my web
called _derived and nortbots is in it. this is not the case for the _derived
folder with the student discussion forms I have.
4. I have, uninstalled and reinstalled the extensions. deleated and reloaded
by http the web, recalculated links both locally and on the server.
5. When I run a component problem report for the version on the server, both
the global "ACME" search page and the discussion formum pages that end in
srch.htm (example: VM170content_srch.htm- where VM170 is the name of the
forum) say (contains an unknown frontpage component "Search"). So FP sees a
problem with all the search pages. The code for one of the pages that it
cannot see "search" is copied below



<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">

<title>VM170 Search Form</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta name="Microsoft Theme" content="none, default">
</head>

<body >

<h3><tt>SEARCH FOR ARTICLE</tt></h3>

<p>Find articles posted to this discussion
containing matching words or patterns.</p>

<!--webbot bot="Search" s-index="_vm170content" s-dsn="default"
s-fields="DocumentK,TimeStamp,Weight"
TAG="BODY"
S-Text="Search for:"
I-Size="20"
S-Submit="Start Search"
S-Clear="Reset" b-useindexserver="0"
-->



</body>
</html>


6. the report analysis for problems with unlinked files did not return
anything, BUT, the hyperlink report showed that all the post files (example:
VM170content_post.htm in the same folders as the above _srch.htm files that
showed up as component errors) have broken hyperlinks that are not fixed by
recalculating the links. The code for this page is below:
<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">

<title>VM170 Submission Form</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta name="Microsoft Theme" content="none, default">
</head>

<body >



<h3><tt>POST ARTICLE</tt></h3>

<form method="POST" action="--WEBBOT-SELF--" onSubmit="return
FrontPage_Form1_Validator(this)" language="JavaScript" name="FrontPage_Form1">
<!--webbot bot="Discussion" s-dir-name="_vm170content"
s-article-format="HTML/BR"
u-header-url="../../../../_borders/vm170content_ahdr.htm"
u-footer-url="../../../../_borders/vm170content_aftr.htm"
s-toc-fields="Subject From Date Time"
b-reverse-chronology="TRUE"
u-confirmation-url="vm170content_cfrm.htm"
s-builtin-fields="Date Time"
s-date-format="%d %b %Y"
s-time-format="%I:%M %p %Z"
u-style-url="vm170content_post.htm" startspan --><input TYPE="hidden"
NAME="VTI-GROUP" VALUE="0"><!--webbot bot="Discussion" endspan
i-checksum="43374" -->

<p>
<strong>Subject:</strong><br>
<!--webbot bot="Validation" b-value-required="TRUE" --><input
name="Subject" size="35"> <br>


<strong>From:</strong><br>
<input type="TEXT" name="From" size="35"> <font color="#FF0000">Use the
same
pseudo-name (e.g. batman) each time that you send or reply to an
article</font><br>



<strong>Category:</strong><br>

<select name="Category">
<option selected>Category 1
<option>Category 2
<option>Category 3
<option>Category 4
<option>Category 5
</select>

Not Activated<!--webbot bot="PurpleText"
preview="Customize these drop-down menu selections." --> <br>




<strong>Comments:</strong><br>

<textarea name="Comments" rows="6" cols="61"></textarea> <br>




<input type="SUBMIT" value="Post Article"> <input
type="RESET" value="Reset Form"> </p>
</form>



</body>
</html>

Thats about all I can figure give you. Hope this helps. If nothing more I
need to know if this is a FP problem or on the server side. THANKS a million
for all your help

Joanne
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

If your site is hosted on a Windows IIS server, ask you host to delete and re-create the Index
Server catalog for your site.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================
 
R

Ronx

The students discussion web search is also pointing to the same
_derived/nortbots.htm page as the main search page, though the
feedback form is correctly using the extensions for processing.

I have just read the entire thread. The comment
<quote>("contains an unknown FrontPage component: "Search")</quote>
is an error I had a couple of months ago after installing SP1 on
Windows 2003. SP1 also enables a single Index Service catalogue to be
used for all web sites hosted on the server.
Deleting this catalogue and creating individual catalogues for each
web site cured my problem. You might query this with your host.
However, the error I saw on the pages was similar to [FrontPage
Search Component] in bold type, I never got the nortbots.htm error.
This is more likely due to user error - using FTP instead of HTTP
Publish, or opening the server based web as disc-based and editing)
than any other cause. I will retest this when I get a chance to build
another Win2003 server in the next week or so.
 

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