Second screen scrolling bug. Has it gone away?

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Elliott Roper

Remember how we cried and cried and scrolled up and down to refresh a
Word doc on a second display?
I think the most recent thread was:
"Scrolling problem using Word 2004 on 2nd monitor"
I can't bring it on any more. I was doing lots of two screen Word
hacking today, and it worked perfectly.

Did Apple fix something in 10.4.6?
or am I not keeping up at the back of the class?
 
E

Elliott Roper

John McGhie [MVP - Word said:
The "Corrupt Fonts" bug and the "Can't Save" bug are all that it will take
to keep this professional wordsmith away from Tiger :)

If I upgrade, I "might not" get those bugs. If I don't upgrade, I know for
certain that I "won't" get them.

No-brainer, really :)

I have been Tiggered from the get go. I never see either of those as a
Mac bug. I don't see the second one at all, since I don't edit files
from an external server. I'd always use some kind of source control to
check the whole thing out, edit locally and check it back in. The
problem appears to be related to Word's cavalier choice of directories
for work files without checking whether it has write access to the
directory as well as its contents. Not what I'd call a Tiger bug.

Corrupt fonts? I have only seen as a corrupt font cache, and the only
evidence was a beach ball at startup while Word, and Word alone,
claimed it was optimising fonts. I saw that in Panther too.

Other font issues flowed from the transition to Word 2004 from v.X.
Nothing to do with Panther to Tiger. All of those were due to
Microsoft's cavalier attitude to my font collection as it sprayed new
Unicode versions of its own identically named little favourites into
the wrong directories, unbidden and unannounced.

I had a play with Word on an Intel iMac in the London Apple store. Its
performance under Rosetta is no worse than on my 1GHz Powerbook G4. Not
much better either. On those grounds, if you must buy a lappy at the
end of the month, you might as well get a PC at half the price.

I gotta say that equating once off font corruption to the malware
maelstrom over on the dark side has me puzzled.

I'm keeping my PowerBook till Microsoft and Adobe have universal binary
versions of Office and CS respectively.

However, if the rumoured 8-way Conroe makes its way into a Mac sometime
soon, I might break down and buy a quad G5 killer desktop for video
editing. I'd never buy a new machine till it is at least 4 times
quicker than the one I have already.
 
E

Elliott Roper

Beth Rosengard said:
And what's an 8-way Conroe when it's at home?

Conroe is/was Intel's code name for the upcoming desktop version of the
Core duo. There have been rumours of four of them being jammed in a
Mac.
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Should go nicely :) I run dual Zeons on the desktop: moves along quite
smartly... :)

So long as Apple doesn't catch the Micro$oft disease.... MS codes Windows so
the cheap versions won't install or run on a box with more than two
processors.

So an 8-way WinTel will not load or run Windows XP Home or Pro: you would
have to install Windows 2003 Server. Actually, for an 8-processor box, you
would need a copy of W2K3 Server Enterprise Edition. We're talking "If you
have to ask, you can't afford it" territory :)

Cheers

Conroe is/was Intel's code name for the upcoming desktop version of the
Core duo. There have been rumours of four of them being jammed in a
Mac.

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Paul Berkowitz

I have been Tiggered from the get go. I never see either of those as a
Mac bug. I don't see the second one at all, since I don't edit files
from an external server. I'd always use some kind of source control to
check the whole thing out, edit locally and check it back in. The
problem appears to be related to Word's cavalier choice of directories
for work files without checking whether it has write access to the
directory as well as its contents. Not what I'd call a Tiger bug.

Corrupt fonts? I have only seen as a corrupt font cache, and the only
evidence was a beach ball at startup while Word, and Word alone,
claimed it was optimising fonts. I saw that in Panther too.

Other font issues flowed from the transition to Word 2004 from v.X.
Nothing to do with Panther to Tiger. All of those were due to
Microsoft's cavalier attitude to my font collection as it sprayed new
Unicode versions of its own identically named little favourites into
the wrong directories, unbidden and unannounced.

Some common sense in this discussion at last... John McGhie, due, no doubt
to his mastery of and authority in [almost] all things Word, seems to have a
whole collection of people who should know better flummoxed into not
upgrading to Tiger, without his ever trying it. It's all superstition, as
far as I can see.
I had a play with Word on an Intel iMac in the London Apple store. Its
performance under Rosetta is no worse than on my 1GHz Powerbook G4. Not
much better either. On those grounds, if you must buy a lappy at the
end of the month, you might as well get a PC at half the price.

I wouldn't agree at all. Probably better not to get a new computer at all
for the moment - wait until next year. But if it's someone else's budget,
which must be spent _now_, get the best MacIntel you can afford. You'll be
using it for several years and it will be already to go in optimized fashion
when Office, Adobe CS and Mac OS 10.5 all debut. In the meantime, you'll
still get all your startup, your Apple apps and the OS running much faster
(4 times or so) than with any G4 PowerBook, and as you (Elliott) say, Office
2004 apps will be running in Rosetta at about the same speed as they do on
the PB. (Not to mention that John actually currently has an iBook, not a
PowerBook - any MacBook is going to race compared to that. And it can take
up to 2 GB RAM as well.) The only caveat would be if you need to use
something like Photoshop (I don't believe John does) - for that you're
better off sticking with the PB, of course.

Myself, I'm waiting until next year. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing
what the new Mac Pro desktop line turns out to be...
I gotta say that equating once off font corruption to the malware
maelstrom over on the dark side has me puzzled.
Indeed.

I'm keeping my PowerBook till Microsoft and Adobe have universal binary
versions of Office and CS respectively.

If you pay for your own computers, that makes sense. The MacIntels will be
several stages more advanced than they are now at that time, which is the
first point where someone like you you uses Office and CS way more than any
Apple apps will get any significant benefit.
However, if the rumoured 8-way Conroe makes its way into a Mac sometime
soon, I might break down and buy a quad G5 killer desktop for video
editing. I'd never buy a new machine till it is at least 4 times
quicker than the one I have already.

Right...

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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Dual Quadcore Intel processors I would guess.

Read about them (Quadcore) But, MacWorld says that Intel's
implementation is not the best. That they are rushing it out the door
just to one up AMD. And AMD implementation far and away better.

Beth said:
And what's an 8-way Conroe when it's at home?

Beth


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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Yeah, it's a real race :)

Intel's power consumption sux, but AMD can't clock higher than 2GHz.

AMD's memory management works so much nicer than Intel's, but they can't get
quad-pumped DDR to work right...

Intel made a disastrous mistake with their 64-bit implementation, but AMD's
64-bit chips won't use fast memory...

This is all really good for people who sell hardware. It's not so good for
those of us on a budget :)

Cheers


Dual Quadcore Intel processors I would guess.

Read about them (Quadcore) But, MacWorld says that Intel's
implementation is not the best. That they are rushing it out the door
just to one up AMD. And AMD implementation far and away better.

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