Sections breaks and printing

[MarcBr]

Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) Processor: Intel Hi,

I am trying to print a document that contains multiple section breaks, as some pages are landscape and others are portrait. When it comes to print, it is printed as multiple documents. This happens with PDF export both from the print dialog and the save as command.

I could print to PDF and then combine each file using acrobat pro, but this is a lot of work. Is there any way to either have different orientations (with different header and footers) without using page breaks? Or a way of telling word to print as one document? Would prefer the latter.

If you require any more information, please just ask.

Thanks in advance.
Marc

 

[MarcBr]

Whoops meant to say section breaks not page breaks in the second paragraph

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

I am trying to print a document that contains multiple section breaks,
as some pages are landscape and others are portrait. When it comes to
print, it is printed as multiple documents. This happens with PDF
export both from the print dialog and the save as command.

I could print to PDF and then combine each file using acrobat pro, but
this is a lot of work. Is there any way to either have different
orientations (with different header and footers) without using page
breaks? Or a way of telling word to print as one document? Would prefer
the latter.

I know it’s a pain, but there aren’t currently any way around this.

Corentin

 

[CyberTaz]

Hi Marc;

Just to put the focus where it belongs Word doesn't 'print' anything, it
simply calls for the service from the OS which passes the data &
instructions on to the printer via the printer driver. The problem is that
*most* printers can't handle the instruction to switch orientation in
mid-document... That applies to most PDF generators as well.

I'm not sure how much trouble it is to assemble the PDF in Acrobat as I
never bother to use it for that purpose... Call me lazy, but I don't believe
in cranking up a tank to drive to the grocery store. Apple's Preview app
enables you to simply drag the PDF icons from Finder into its Sidebar. The
most work I've ever had to do is rearrange the pages in the Sidebar if I was
careless in dragging them there in the first place

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

I know it’s a pain, but there aren’t currently any way around this.

Corentin

Section breaks that contain switches in Page orientation are still a
problem. But the PDF Converter in Office 2008 does cure the problem for
Page and section breaks that don't have switches in orientation.

This has been an ongoing problem with acrobat since PDF first hit the
market. Microsoft got feed up with Adobe's not fixing the problem after
15-20 years and decided to create their own converter. The problem lies
squarely with Adobe. Adobe supplied the PDF sub system used to print and
to view anything on the screen. Its Adobe's problem to fix.

That said its not too complicated to put the pieces back together.

Open Acrobat open the first in the series of created PDF's scroll to end
of last page. then do to document menu and choose insert pages browse to
next in series and open. choose whether add to beginning or end of page.
(choose end) click return. and repeat until pieces are together (save as
a different name. and if a whole lot of pieces you might periodical save
to prevent corruption.

 

[Tim Murray]

I am trying to print a document that contains multiple section breaks,
as some pages are landscape and others are portrait. When it comes to
print, it is printed as multiple documents. This happens with PDF
export both from the print dialog and the save as command.

I could print to PDF and then combine each file using acrobat pro, but
this is a lot of work. Is there any way to either have different
orientations (with different header and footers) without using page
breaks? Or a way of telling word to print as one document? Would prefer
the latter.

If you have access to a Windows box, you can sometimes fix it. In Windows,
perform some kind of page setup action that can be applied to all sections.
If you PDF it in Mac, it usually works. But if you do any other page setup
action in Mac, it breaks it again.

 

[MarcBr]

Thank you all for the clarification.

 

[Andrea Galli]

I ran into the same problem as the poster and I read all previous posts with much interest.

I am not a programmer, so I don't really know what happens under the hood, but I have to disagree with some of the statements based on my experience.

I don't know about Office 2008, but in Office 2011 the Microsoft PDF converter has the same problem as the ones from Apple and Adobe: it makes a PDF file for every single section in the document. I agree it is fairly easy to put them together with Acrobat, it is just a pain every time you have to make some editing.

As for the comment suggesting it is a problem with the Apple printing system, once the files with different orientations are put together in a single PDF file they are printed perfectly well on any printer. That would lead me to think that the printing system is not really the issue here.

It seems to me that the problem is related to the way Word renders the document for printing/conversion rather than other system components, but I am open to different explanations.

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
Processor: Intel

Hi, <br><br>I am trying to print a document that contains multiple section breaks, as some pages are landscape and others are portrait. When it comes to print, it is printed as multiple documents. This happens with PDF export both from the print dialog and the save as command. <br><br>I could print to PDF and then combine each file using acrobat pro, but this is a lot of work. Is there any way to either have different orientations (with different header and footers) without using page breaks? Or a way of telling word to print as one document? Would prefer the latter. <br><br>If you require any more information, please just ask. <br><br>Thanks in advance. <br>
Marc

On Monday, January 11, 2010 2:22 PM MarcB wrote:
Whoops meant to say section breaks not page breaks in the second paragraph

 

[Phillip Jones]

It's not likely to be in MS part as MS says, that the converter works much like Apple's Converter. This issue has been around since the days of Word 6 /Excel 5 (or I believe Office 4.2) This was back in the day of OS 9 and below. Then Mac Os was written Objective-C and C++. The video system was not based on PDF. That didn't happen until OSX.

I agree with you if the Apple Print/Video system was at Fault it would break anything during the Print operation.

Adobe has claimed in the past That MS won't provide them with details on how page and section Breaks work.

All I know its Adobe/PDF defect. Who knows Maybe MS in it paranoia is the root cause. I tend to think Its Adobe.

Because from what I here from PC folks, the problem doesn't exist. Maybe I've been listening to the wrong PC People.

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[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

I ran into the same problem as the poster and I read all previous posts
with much interest.

I am not a programmer, so I don't really know what happens under the
hood, but I have to disagree with some of the statements based on my
experience.

I don't know about Office 2008, but in Office 2011 the Microsoft PDF
converter has the same problem as the ones from Apple and Adobe: it
makes a PDF file for every single section in the document. I agree it
is fairly easy to put them together with Acrobat, it is just a pain
every time you have to make some editing.

Indeed. The problem was the same in previous versions of Office.

As for the comment suggesting it is a problem with the Apple printing
system, once the files with different orientations are put together in
a single PDF file they are printed perfectly well on any printer. That
would lead me to think that the printing system is not really the issue
here.

Well it's a little more complex than that. It's not the Printing system
per say, it's the PDF conversion engine that Apple has.
I wouldn't know whether it is a limitation or a bug per say (Apple has
a license for a version of the engine that might not be quite as up to
date as Adobe's) though.
At the end, it doesn't really matter who's to blame: we're stuck with
the problem,

It seems to me that the problem is related to the way Word renders the
document for printing/conversion rather than other system components,
but I am open to different explanations.

Word sends it to the converter and the converter does the rest. At this
point it's a bit of a black box, and it's hard to figure out what part
fails to keep the different sections assembled.

Corentin

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

Hi Philip,

It's not likely to be in MS part as MS says, that the converter works
much like Apple's Converter.

It doesn't work *like* the Apple converter, it actually parses the file
*to* the Apple converter

[...]

Adobe has claimed in the past That MS won't provide them with details
on how page and section Breaks work.

Yeah, right... the same way they mentioned MS doesn't provide the
proper hooks in the Mac version to be able to generate properly
strictired PDFs with links.
Now Office 2011 is up to par with the Windows version for the VB
support, and still no proper PDF generator for Office for Mac :-\

I keep on thinking Adobe is the new MS if you see what I mean.

All I know its Adobe/PDF defect. Who knows Maybe MS in it paranoia is
the root cause. I tend to think Its Adobe.

So do I...

Because from what I here from PC folks, the problem doesn't exist.
Maybe I've been listening to the wrong PC People.

Nope, I can confirm it works just fine in Windows.
Every day, it feels a bit more like Adobe doesn't care all that much
for Mac users to me :-\


Corentin