Sending multiple replies to a person

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ladeda16

Hello Everyone,

I have a problem sending replies to the same person the 2ND time. For
example i made a folder where I put all my inbox messages in there, then I
reply to them using a rule according that i made. The first reply went out
fine. But when they reply again, i designate them to a second folder, and use
a rule to send them out, but it doesn't work. If you need me to clarify the
details, just tell me.
 
V

VanguardLH

ladeda16 said:
Hello Everyone,

I have a problem sending replies to the same person the 2ND time. For
example i made a folder where I put all my inbox messages in there, then I
reply to them using a rule according that i made. The first reply went out
fine. But when they reply again, i designate them to a second folder, and use
a rule to send them out, but it doesn't work. If you need me to clarify the
details, just tell me.

Rules will automatically execute only on newly delivered items to the
Inbox folder. They don't automatically execute on any other folder. To
exercise rules on another folder, you will have to manually run the
rules but also have to select both the rule(s) you want to apply and
also select which folder on which to apply them.
 
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ladeda16

VanguardLH said:
Rules will automatically execute only on newly delivered items to the
Inbox folder. They don't automatically execute on any other folder. To
exercise rules on another folder, you will have to manually run the
rules but also have to select both the rule(s) you want to apply and
also select which folder on which to apply them.

ok let's put it this way

i will show you three of my rules

1st response rule:

apply this rule after the message arrives
on this machine only
reply using (my specific template 1)

RE: (response rule 2):
apply this rule after the message arrives
with Re: in the subject
and on this machine only
move it to second reply folder

2nd reply:
apply this rule after the message arrives
on this machine only
reply using (my specific template 2)


Hope this clarify things

I have created two folders, the first set of messages get replied with
template number 1, after they reply which will start the (Re: rule), then i
have another folder of second response 2 that will automatically store the
re: replies to that folder. The problem is that I could send reply number 1
and get their response back into reply number 2 folder. But, in reply number
2 folder, i can't send the message back out for some reason. Much help is
appreciated, if you have AIM or YAHOO, I'll be glad to tell you it. Or if you
have such programs as crossloop or teamviewer that would be better, you could
view my outlook.
 
V

VanguardLH

ladeda16 said:
ok let's put it this way

i will show you three of my rules

1st response rule:

apply this rule after the message arrives
on this machine only
reply using (my specific template 1)

RE: (response rule 2):
apply this rule after the message arrives
with Re: in the subject
and on this machine only
move it to second reply folder

2nd reply:
apply this rule after the message arrives
on this machine only
reply using (my specific template 2)

Hope this clarify things

I have created two folders, the first set of messages get replied with
template number 1, after they reply which will start the (Re: rule), then i
have another folder of second response 2 that will automatically store the
re: replies to that folder. The problem is that I could send reply number 1
and get their response back into reply number 2 folder. But, in reply number
2 folder, i can't send the message back out for some reason. Much help is
appreciated, if you have AIM or YAHOO, I'll be glad to tell you it. Or if you
have such programs as crossloop or teamviewer that would be better, you could
view my outlook.

Note: Unless your Outlook is being used within a domain where roaming
profiles are allowed (to let you log onto any host in that domain),
there is no point in including the "on this machine only" clause.

Without the stop-clause at the end of each rule, ALL of them get
exercised against the same message. Say you get a new e-mail from
someone.

- Rule 1 runs to send out your template1 reply.
- Rule 2 is skipped because the original message doesn't have "Re:" in
the Subject header.
- Rule 3 runs to send out your template2 reply.

You would be sending out 2 replies for every incoming e-mail. The
original e-mail does NOT get moved anywhere because Rule 2 got skipped
(there was no "Re:" in the original e-mail). Then when the sender
composes a reply (to your canned replies), the following happens with
those rules:

- Rule 1 runs to send out your template1 reply. The sender has now
received TWO of your template1 replies.
- Rule 2 runs because it is likely that "Re:" was in the Subject of
their reply. The e-mail gets moved to the "second" reply folder (none
of your rules has a "first" reply folder).
- Rule 3 runs to send out your template2 reply. The send has now
received TWO copies of your template2 replies.

So with the rules as you have shown them, in the order that you showed
them, and with the absence of the stop-clause in each one, the result
after getting an e-mail, sending replies, and receiving their reply
would be:

- The sender has received TWO copies of both your template1 and
template2 replies.
- The original e-mail remains in the Inbox because it never hit a rule
to move it (Rule 2 got skipped since "Re:" would not be in the Subject
for an original e-mail).
- The sender's reply (to your multiple template replies) would get moved
to your second reply folder. No rule ever specified a first reply
folder.

Are these rules enabled (so they automatically execute upon arrival of
new e-mails)? Or are they disabled and you are running them manually
one at a time on whatever is the appropriate folder at the time you run
them?

Rather than try to describe what are your rules, show them exactly as
they are defined and in the exact order they are listed.


BTW: You don't want unknown person in Usenet to gain control of your
host. This is NOT a free venue to Microsoft support. This is a peer
community of *users* - of ALL types!

What is Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroups
http://www.masonicinfo.com/newsgroups.htm
http://www.mcfedries.com/Ramblings/usenet-primer.asp

When using a webnews-for-dummies interface, like Microsoft's Communities
or Google Groups or a forum-to-Usenet proxy, those are gateways to
Usenet. Despite the appearance of a forum, you are participating in
newsgroups (Usenet).
 
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Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]

VanguardLH said:
ladeda16 wrote:
Note: Unless your Outlook is being used within a domain where roaming
profiles are allowed (to let you log onto any host in that domain),
there is no point in including the "on this machine only" clause.

Likely added in automatically because she's using a local template.
 
B

Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]

VanguardLH said:
ladeda16 wrote:
- Rule 1 runs to send out your template1 reply. The sender has now
received TWO of your template1 replies.

Perhaps not. Outlook keeps track of the addresses to which it sends replies
via rule and will not reply a second time during the same session.
- Rule 3 runs to send out your template2 reply. The send has now
received TWO copies of your template2 replies.

Same thing.
So with the rules as you have shown them, in the order that you showed
them, and with the absence of the stop-clause in each one, the result
after getting an e-mail, sending replies, and receiving their reply
would be:

- The sender has received TWO copies of both your template1 and
template2 replies.
- The original e-mail remains in the Inbox because it never hit a rule
to move it (Rule 2 got skipped since "Re:" would not be in the Subject
for an original e-mail).
- The sender's reply (to your multiple template replies) would get moved
to your second reply folder. No rule ever specified a first reply
folder.

And likely a copy of the received messages also remain in the Inbox, even if
the second rule placed a message in the specified folder.
 
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ladeda16

I am all doing this by manual submission. I run rules manually everytime i
send out email. Except for the (Re: rule) in which is always set to
automatic.
 
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VanguardLH

Brian said:
VanguardLH wrote ...



Perhaps not. Outlook keeps track of the addresses to which it sends replies
via rule and will not reply a second time during the same session.

Forgot about that. Tis true, as long as the same Outlook session
exists. If Outlook is exited or the computer rebooted, a new Outlook
session starts.
 
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VanguardLH

ladeda16 said:
I am all doing this by manual submission. I run rules manually everytime i
send out email. Except for the (Re: rule) in which is always set to
automatic.

I think Brian hit on the reason: rules that issue replies only send one
per sender. This is to eliminate possible endless loops with
auto-responders. One sends a message, another replies, the first
responds to the reply, the second replies to that reply, and so on while
consuming lots of bandwidth for worthless replies and consuming disk
space.

The reply rules remember to whom the reply got sent. Only one reply
gets sent per original sender. This is recorded within the Outlook
session. If you exit Outlook then that recorded reply history is lost.
So you would have to exit and reload Outlook to start with a fresh and
clean reply history.
 

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