simple question about Access

I

IRS Intern

I was just curious.. i've been using Access for years and years and
years and years.

And I finally discovered a flavor of Access that solves many of the
headaches that you guys face.
I can leverage enterprise-level tools.
I can use a built in SCHEDULER.
I can use SQL Profiler.
I can use Accesss Forms and Reports.

Even _Microsoft_ reccomends the use of Access Data Projects.

so _WHY_ is it that Microsoft censors my newsgroup postings?

Seriously?

How can a company like MIcrosoft-- a convicted monopolist-- have the
ability to CENSOR what their _CUSTOMERS_ are saying?

Isn't this a PUBLIC newsgroup?

pub·lic /ˈpʌblɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[puhb-lik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or affecting a population or a
community as a whole: public funds; a public nuisance.
2. done, made, acting, etc., for the community as a whole: public
prosecution.
3. open to all persons: a public meeting.
4. of, pertaining to, or being in the service of a community or
nation, esp. as a government officer: a public official.
5. maintained at the public expense and under public control: a public
library; a public road.
6. generally known: The fact became public.
7. familiar to the public; prominent: public figures.
8. open to the view of all; existing or conducted in public: a public
dispute.
9. pertaining or devoted to the welfare or well-being of the
community: public spirit.
10. of or pertaining to all humankind; universal.
–noun 11. the people constituting a community, state, or nation.
12. a particular group of people with a common interest, aim, etc.:
the book-buying public.
13. British Informal. a tavern; public house.
—Idioms14. go public, a. to issue stock for sale to the general
public.
b. to present private or previously concealed information, news, etc.,
to the public; make matters open to public view: The Senator
threatened to go public with his Congressional-reform plan.

15. in public, not in private; in a situation open to public view or
access; publicly: It was the first time that she had sung in public.
16. make public, to cause to become known generally, as through the
news media: Her resignation was made public this morning.


American Psychological Association (APA):
public. (n.d.). Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Retrieved April 25,
2007, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/public
Chicago Manual Style (CMS):
public. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random
House, Inc. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/public (accessed:
April 25, 2007).
Modern Language Association (MLA):
"public." Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 25
Apr. 2007. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/public>.


Even the United Nations has rules reccomending freedom of speech

International law
The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in
1948, provides, in Article 19, that:

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this
right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to
seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of frontiers.

Technically, as a resolution of the United Nations General Assembly
rather than a treaty, it is not legally binding in its entirety on
members of the UN. Furthermore, whilst some of its provisions are
considered to form part of customary international law, there is
dispute as to which. Freedom of speech is granted unambiguous
protection in international law by the International Covenant on Civil
and Political Rights which is binding on around 150 nations. Article
19 provides that:

1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without
interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right
shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and
ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing
or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his
choice.
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this
article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may
therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be
such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre
public), or of public health or morals.
The right is further qualified by Article 20 which prohibits war
propaganda, incitement to violence and certain forms of hate speech.
In adopting the Covenant the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Luxembourg
insisted on reservations to Article 19 in so far as it might be held
to affect their systems of regulating and licensing broadcasting [1].
A number of state parties also have official reservations to Article
20.


United States
Main article: Freedom of speech in the United States
In the United States freedom of expression is protected by the First
Amendment to the United States Constitution. There are several
exceptions to this general rule, including copyright protection, the
Miller test for obscenity and greater regulation of so-called
commercial speech, such as advertising. The Miller test in particular
rarely comes into effect.

The principle of freedom of speech promotes dialogues on public
issues, but it is most relevant to speech which is unpopular at the
time it is made. As Pennsylvania state legislator Rep. Mark B. Cohen
of Philadelphia once argued in a legislative debate, "Freedom of
speech which is limited to freedom to say whatever a majority of the
Pennsylvania legislature agrees with is not real freedom of
speech."[citation needed]

Neither the federal nor state governments engage in preliminary
censorship of movies. However, the Motion Picture Association of
America has a rating system, and movies not rated by the MPAA cannot
expect anything but a very limited release in theatres, making the
system almost compulsory. Since the organization is private, no
recourse to the courts is available. The rules implemented by the MPAA
are more restrictive than the ones implemented by most First World
countries. However, unlike comparable public or private institutions
in other countries, the MPAA does not have the power to limit the
retail sale of movies in tape or disc form based on their content.
Since 2000, it has become quite common for movie studios to release
"unrated" DVD versions of films with MPAA-censored content put back
in.


A sign prompted by the Pruneyard caseWithin the U.S., the freedom of
speech also varies widely from one state to the next. Of all states,
the state of California permits its citizens the broadest possible
range of free speech under the state constitution (whose declaration
of rights includes a strong affirmative right to free speech in
addition to a negative right paralleling the federal prohibition on
laws that abridge the freedom of speech). More specifically, through
the Pruneyard case ruling, California residents may peacefully
exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping
centers regularly held open to the public.

Historically, local communities and governments have sometimes sought
to place limits upon speech that was deemed subversive or unpopular.
There was a significant struggle for the right to free speech on the
campus of the University of California at Berkeley in the 1960s. And,
in the period from 1906 to 1916, the Industrial Workers of the World,
a working class union, found it necessary to engage in free speech
fights intended to secure the right of union organizers to speak
freely to wage workers. These free speech campaigns were sometimes
quite successful, although participants often put themselves at great
risk.
 
A

Aaron Kempf

I agree

I've had the same problem all the time

how can a company CENSOR a public newsgroup?



I was just curious.. i've been using Access for years and years and
years and years.

And I finally discovered a flavor of Access that solves many of the
headaches that you guys face.
I can leverage enterprise-level tools.
I can use a built in SCHEDULER.
I can use SQL Profiler.
I can use Accesss Forms and Reports.

Even _Microsoft_ reccomends the use of Access Data Projects.

so _WHY_ is it that Microsoft censors my newsgroup postings?

Seriously?

How can a company like MIcrosoft-- a convicted monopolist-- have the
ability to CENSOR what their _CUSTOMERS_ are saying?

Isn't this a PUBLIC newsgroup?

pub·lic /'p?bl?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[puhb-lik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or affecting a population or a
community as a whole: public funds; a public nuisance.
2. done, made, acting, etc., for the community as a whole: public
prosecution.
3. open to all persons: a public meeting.
4. of, pertaining to, or being in the service of a community or
nation, esp. as a government officer: a public official.
5. maintained at the public expense and under public control: a public
library; a public road.
6. generally known: The fact became public.
7. familiar to the public; prominent: public figures.
8. open to the view of all; existing or conducted in public: a public
dispute.
9. pertaining or devoted to the welfare or well-being of the
community: public spirit.
10. of or pertaining to all humankind; universal.
-noun 11. the people constituting a community, state, or nation.
12. a particular group of people with a common interest, aim, etc.:
the book-buying public.
13. British Informal. a tavern; public house.
-Idioms14. go public, a. to issue stock for sale to the general
public.
b. to present private or previously concealed information, news, etc.,
to the public; make matters open to public view: The Senator
threatened to go public with his Congressional-reform plan.

15. in public, not in private; in a situation open to public view or
access; publicly: It was the first time that she had sung in public.
16. make public, to cause to become known generally, as through the
news media: Her resignation was made public this morning.


American Psychological Association (APA):
public. (n.d.). Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Retrieved April 25,
2007, from Dictionary.com website:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/public
Chicago Manual Style (CMS):
public. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random
House, Inc. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/public (accessed:
April 25, 2007).
Modern Language Association (MLA):
"public." Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 25
Apr. 2007. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/public>.


Even the United Nations has rules reccomending freedom of speech

International law
The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in
1948, provides, in Article 19, that:

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this
right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to
seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of frontiers.

Technically, as a resolution of the United Nations General Assembly
rather than a treaty, it is not legally binding in its entirety on
members of the UN. Furthermore, whilst some of its provisions are
considered to form part of customary international law, there is
dispute as to which. Freedom of speech is granted unambiguous
protection in international law by the International Covenant on Civil
and Political Rights which is binding on around 150 nations. Article
19 provides that:

1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without
interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right
shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and
ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing
or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his
choice.
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this
article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may
therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be
such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre
public), or of public health or morals.
The right is further qualified by Article 20 which prohibits war
propaganda, incitement to violence and certain forms of hate speech.
In adopting the Covenant the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Luxembourg
insisted on reservations to Article 19 in so far as it might be held
to affect their systems of regulating and licensing broadcasting [1].
A number of state parties also have official reservations to Article
20.


United States
Main article: Freedom of speech in the United States
In the United States freedom of expression is protected by the First
Amendment to the United States Constitution. There are several
exceptions to this general rule, including copyright protection, the
Miller test for obscenity and greater regulation of so-called
commercial speech, such as advertising. The Miller test in particular
rarely comes into effect.

The principle of freedom of speech promotes dialogues on public
issues, but it is most relevant to speech which is unpopular at the
time it is made. As Pennsylvania state legislator Rep. Mark B. Cohen
of Philadelphia once argued in a legislative debate, "Freedom of
speech which is limited to freedom to say whatever a majority of the
Pennsylvania legislature agrees with is not real freedom of
speech."[citation needed]

Neither the federal nor state governments engage in preliminary
censorship of movies. However, the Motion Picture Association of
America has a rating system, and movies not rated by the MPAA cannot
expect anything but a very limited release in theatres, making the
system almost compulsory. Since the organization is private, no
recourse to the courts is available. The rules implemented by the MPAA
are more restrictive than the ones implemented by most First World
countries. However, unlike comparable public or private institutions
in other countries, the MPAA does not have the power to limit the
retail sale of movies in tape or disc form based on their content.
Since 2000, it has become quite common for movie studios to release
"unrated" DVD versions of films with MPAA-censored content put back
in.


A sign prompted by the Pruneyard caseWithin the U.S., the freedom of
speech also varies widely from one state to the next. Of all states,
the state of California permits its citizens the broadest possible
range of free speech under the state constitution (whose declaration
of rights includes a strong affirmative right to free speech in
addition to a negative right paralleling the federal prohibition on
laws that abridge the freedom of speech). More specifically, through
the Pruneyard case ruling, California residents may peacefully
exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping
centers regularly held open to the public.

Historically, local communities and governments have sometimes sought
to place limits upon speech that was deemed subversive or unpopular.
There was a significant struggle for the right to free speech on the
campus of the University of California at Berkeley in the 1960s. And,
in the period from 1906 to 1916, the Industrial Workers of the World,
a working class union, found it necessary to engage in free speech
fights intended to secure the right of union organizers to speak
freely to wage workers. These free speech campaigns were sometimes
quite successful, although participants often put themselves at great
risk.
 
T

Tom Wickerath

It's pretty easy to agree with yourself, isn't it Aaron? You're not fooling
anyone by posting with an identity of "IRS Intern" (or Susie DBA, or whatever
other aliases you dream up).

The real question that should be answered is how would your employer feel
about you posting messages to a newsgroup on their time? Your IP addresses
are traceable to the State of Washington. I, for one, am a Wa. State
taxpayer. I'm not sure I like the idea of my tax dollars supporting your
posting activity. Something for you to consider.


Tom Wickerath
Microsoft Access MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Tom
http://www.access.qbuilt.com/html/expert_contributors.html
__________________________________________
 
A

Aaron Kempf

this isn't a posting activity.
it's not like I'm _SPAMMING_.

I am asking a question; and I want to know how or why Microsoft can block my
posts--

Is there a process for having my block REVIEWED?

Is there a way to learn how or why I'm getting BLOCKED?

No need to be a jerk, kid

Maybe if M$ didn't fight unfairly-- then maybe we wouldn't have this
problem.

I am just tired of selling people on 'DAO-> ADO upgrades' when MVPs are out
here spreading mis-information
 
A

Aaron Kempf

and please tell me-- where you get off at being such a jerk

I've never done anything wrong; except for stick up for ADP

Accusing and playing word games is just ridiculous, kid

Seriously Tom-- Where do you get off.

Microsoft shouldn't censor my posts. I speak the truth; nothing but the
truth.
I'm better with Access than anyone else here and somehow _I_ get blocked
because Microsoft doesn't like my point of view?

How can Microsoft know that my point of view is the least popular-- if they
don't give me the freedom to speak my mind?

Where else does Microsoft use CENSORSHIP in order to promote their own
goals?

Why can't Microsoft become more transparent?

I call for Steve Balmer to step down and Ralph Nader to become the next
president of Microsoft. Nader is the only one that can stop the abuse of
power that Microsoft has made a way of doing business; ever since achieving
using their illegal monopoly in order to squash innovation.

Who is the enemy?

My words mean that I should get CENSORED?

what is the name of this newsgroup?

Microsoft.PUBLIC.Access

I'll speak my mind if and where I want.

-Aaron
 
A

Aaron Kempf

and for the record, I don't approve of Microsoft using Windows for desktops.

Does that mean I should throw a tissy fit and complain about how MY TAXPAYER
MONEY is propping up a company that censors people?



such a little cry baby I mean jesus
you can take your FUD and come and say it to my face, you little wussy MDB
script kid
 
B

Bill Mosca

"Public" is a category meaning it is open to the public, not that it is a
newsgroup run by the people...or don't you get that subtle distinction? The
owner of the group ultimately decides who can use it and who cannot.

You are a very prolific poster and seem most discontent with MS groups. I'm
surprised you haven't started up your own forum.
 
A

Aaron Kempf

yeah.. I don't agree with being BLOCKED for SPEAKIGN THE TRUTH in a public
forum

I refuse to Accept that diagnosis.
I just think that MS should clarify their policies-- If I'm blocked they
should TELL ME and have an open and honest apparatus for resolving issues.

If MS would STFU and start selling bugfree software, then I wouldn't
complain so much

that is all it takes-- instead of Robotics Studio and XBox 720 and Vista,
Vienna, Longhorn

how about BUG FREE MS ACCESS
 
T

Tony Toews [MVP]

IRS Intern said:
so _WHY_ is it that Microsoft censors my newsgroup postings?

Aaron

Possibly because of your foul language and demeaning behavior to
others in the newsgroups.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
 
A

Aaron Kempf

my foul language and my demeaning behavior?

where is it listed, in Microsoft terms and conditions that I am not allowed
to swear?
(IF YOU HIT THE SAME DAMN BUG EVERY DAY YOU WOULD SWEAR ALSO)

that is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard in my life.

you guys spread LIES -- blatant LIES and you call me names
seriously.... how is it that you sit there and 'yeah ADP hasn't been
updated'

THAT IS CALLED A BLATANT LIE

you guys sit there and.. I mean-- did you read that crap that the Tom
WickerWimp said?

SERIOUSLY

MS is just a bunch of dorks that don't understand that CAPITAL LETTERS ARE
NOT REALLY YELLING

AND MICROSOFT STILL HAS NOT LEARNED THEIR LESSON?

Access 2007 is the buggiest software I've ever seen in my life.
Maybe Microsoft should STOP SQUASHING THE TRUTH AND START LISTENING TO THEIR
CRITICS!!!!
 
T

Tony Toews [MVP]

Aaron Kempf said:
and you call me names

I've never called you names.
CAPITAL LETTERS ARE NOT REALLY YELLING

Yes, capital letters being consider yelling has been standard
netiquette for at least fifteen years.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
 
A

Aaron Kempf

no.

Capital Letters are _NOT_ yelling

and YES you do call me names and spread lies.

MDB has not been updated in 10 years.
DAO hasn't been included in office, windows or mdac for a decade
 
A

Aaron Kempf

standard netiquitte also says 'if you spend 80% of your time in workarounds
then you need a new database solution'
 
A

Aaron Kempf

and I really don't like the idea of Microsoft censoring a public newsgroup

we'll just see how long my postings stay up here

(and btw, if you can lookup my IP address.. then can I look up your contact
info at www.zabasearch.com ? )

is that why you're a MDB wuss that can't grow into SQL Server?

Because you've got a DEADBEAT DAD?
or because you _ARE_ a DEADBEAT DAD?

Let me write a few queries to investigate
 
T

Tony Toews [MVP]

Aaron Kempf said:
Capital Letters are _NOT_ yelling

and YES you do call me names and spread lies.

Then we disagree.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
 
T

Tony Toews [MVP]

Aaron Kempf said:
standard netiquitte also says 'if you spend 80% of your time in workarounds
then you need a new database solution'

Rubbish.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
 
A

Aaron Kempf

standard netiquitte doesn't say
'if you spend 80% of your time in workarounds then you need a new database
solution'


I swear I read that in a Dear Abby once upon a time
 
A

Aaron Kempf

IS THIS YELLING?

(from dictionary.com - I don't see anything about capital letters)

yell (yel) Pronunciation Key
v. yelled, yell·ing, yells

v. intr.
To cry out loudly, as in pain, fright, surprise, or enthusiasm.

v. tr.
To utter or express with a loud cry. See Synonyms at shout.

n.
1.. A loud cry; a shout.
2.. A rhythmic cheer uttered or chanted in unison.


[Middle English yellen, from Old English giellan, gellan; see ghel-1
in Indo-European roots.]

yell'er n.

(Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the
English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
WordNet - Cite This Source yelling

noun
uttering a loud inarticulate cry as of pain or excitement

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.


ROFL
god.. take it easy kid--

I'll friggin YELL if and when I want, jerk
 

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