Size of web site upload w 2003

[Essa Adamms]

Hi David - I just read and copied all your pages on 2003 website publishing.
Good job. Great link.

I am a novice to say least. Though not published yet, I have built a
website in Pub 2003. Probably a lot of problems that need addressed now
instead of later. We will start with size.
--The site so far is 9 MB. Yes, 9 (nine). That IS the problem.
--I did not use a template from wizard. Did this freehand so to speak,
even my navigation bars. But I like what I see and what I have. Previews
look good, loads well for previews, moves well for me on preview.
--Extensive text for information to clients. Some on tables, some in text
boxes.
--The TIFFs I used are repeated extensively instead of using new ones. Am
still going to download Office 2003 SPI to compress what I have, no matter
what I do.
--Now I want to build pages for several boutiques too, using links and
images w/ affiliate companies. Their graphics are another story.
Am willing to pay the extra for a larger site used by more people......
It's all aboutthe loading / publishing
so.....
OKAY..... deep sigh.... what do you think about the size of this site? Am
loading from phone connection through AOL service to Hostasaurus host. No
DSL out here, if that matters at all.

Is there any hope. Or do you think I should do something else. And please
explain FrontPage. Do I stand a chance of converting this site to FrontPage
on th Hostasaurus front? Both being Microsoft, right?
Hope this is clearer than mud. I don't know the lingo at all. Thanks.

 

[DavidF]

Essa,

Perhaps I can help. Quit using TIFF formatted images! They are not
appropriate for a web page. In your favorite image editing software, convert
them to JPG or GIF, or even PNG files, resample and reduce the dimensions to
about the size you need in your Pub doc, and the resolution to 96 dpi.
Replace the TIF files in your document with these, and your file size will
drop.

Yes, the compress images tool will also help...especially if you don't
resample the JPGs before inserting them into the Pub file.

I wouldn't worry about changing to FrontPage right now...just change your
image format, compress them and see if that works for you.

DavidF

 

[Essa Adamms]

Okay David !!! Yeah! that does help.

If I am able to --click on the image --then on 'save as' --then change
resolution to 96 and save as a jpg,

then it seems I can do them easiest one by one. The reason is they are
already hyperlinked - perhaps a hundred or two hundred butterflies plus logo
images, and they all go to different pages. It's a magic land of
butterflies, you see.

Check my site someday and you will understand. : }

As I go, I suppose I would rather do them one at a time and their background
web info of where they link for disabled readers.

Unless you have a different suggestion in making changes easier.

You see, I have no favorite image editing software - it all makes me crazy
and takes hours for me to enhance my learning curve. I can't take any more.

Already tried a butterfly. Changed resolution to 96, then tiff - if it was
TIFF, it is now is a jpg.

I do know I will let the MIVA storefront hold most my product images, and
that will help. ANd I will use the compressing tool soon too.

So, any other ideas on making the process easier? I am willing to try if
you can explain it to me.

Thank you David!
--
Essa Adamms
None-the-Less....com

Essa,

Perhaps I can help. Quit using TIFF formatted images! They are not
appropriate for a web page. In your favorite image editing software, convert
them to JPG or GIF, or even PNG files, resample and reduce the dimensions to
about the size you need in your Pub doc, and the resolution to 96 dpi.
Replace the TIF files in your document with these, and your file size will
drop.

Yes, the compress images tool will also help...especially if you don't
resample the JPGs before inserting them into the Pub file.

I wouldn't worry about changing to FrontPage right now...just change your
image format, compress them and see if that works for you.

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

Its unfortunate that you built such an image intensive site with TIFF files,
but you really have to change them all for your site. If you want to make
higher resolution images available at MIVA, whatever that is, that will be
fine...just not the images that load on your site.

First of all, you need to be able to see your file extensions in order to
manage all those images. For some reason those extensions are hidden by
Windows by default. So the first order of business is to change that. Go to
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Folder Options > View Tab, and untick
"Hide extensions for known file types" > OK. Now when you go into a folder
to view your images, you will be able to see *.jpg, or *.tif, etc.

Then, as you do not have a favorite image editor, I would suggest starting
with Irfanview (free, of course) which will allow you to resize, resample
and convert your images to a different format, among many other things. Plus
you can do batches of images at the same time. Go to the following link and
download, and install:
http://www.irfanview.com/

While there is no substitution to reading the Help file about how to use the
program, here is another link to introduce you to the conversion process:
http://www.larry-bolch.com/save-for-web/irfanview.htm

I would suggest that you experiment with one image at a time, and test them
by inserting them into your web page, and previewing them, plus noting the
size of the images in My Computer or Windows Explorer. You want as small of
file size as possible while still retaining quality. There is a bit of art
in optimizing images for the web. Just be sure to backup your original
images!!!!! And once your figure out the settings you prefer, then you can
apply those to a whole batch at the same time. And don't forget that you can
have a smaller lower quality image that links to a larger, better quality
image. I frequently make a small thumbnail image 100 pixels wide, and link
to larger images. Just don't forget that the larger the image, the longer it
takes to download, so design for the person with a slow dial up connection.

After you get this down, you might also check out Picasa, another free image
editing program provided by Google. It has some nice features that might
appeal to you.
http://picasa.google.com/index.html

DavidF

Okay David !!! Yeah! that does help.

If I am able to --click on the image --then on 'save as' --then change
resolution to 96 and save as a jpg,

then it seems I can do them easiest one by one. The reason is they are
already hyperlinked - perhaps a hundred or two hundred butterflies plus logo
images, and they all go to different pages. It's a magic land of
butterflies, you see.

Check my site someday and you will understand. : }

As I go, I suppose I would rather do them one at a time and their background
web info of where they link for disabled readers.

Unless you have a different suggestion in making changes easier.

You see, I have no favorite image editing software - it all makes me crazy
and takes hours for me to enhance my learning curve. I can't take any more.

Already tried a butterfly. Changed resolution to 96, then tiff - if it was
TIFF, it is now is a jpg.

I do know I will let the MIVA storefront hold most my product images, and
that will help. ANd I will use the compressing tool soon too.

So, any other ideas on making the process easier? I am willing to try if
you can explain it to me.

Thank you David!

 

[DavidF]

I forgot one important thing...keep copies of your original TIFF files!!!
You will probably need them.

And FWIW, though learning to edit images and optimize them for the web is
going to take time, it will be time well spent if you want an image
intensive site.

nuff said...DavidF

 

[Essa Adamms]

Okay - I am going to try all this. Question - I checked out the image info
on my list that comes up in publisher, which I found quite by accident.
There are few TIFFs in there. I tried to save some logo work in a TIFF but
ended up using Wordart and paint shop pro.
What I do have are resolutions of anywhere from 96 to 2000 yes 2000 - so I
have some work to do. There are some clip art images I copies from
Microsoft free downloads that are WMP and have high resolutions. I need to
change the WMPs to jpg right, and resolution to 96 - or just resolution to 96
because WMP is all right to use on web?

Another web download question - will you please coach me through loading
this site onto my host site when time comes. I am putting on ten preview
pages in a day or two. The entire site goes on in a few weeks.

THIS IS THE ISSUE -- My host, he says he has only loaded one (1) Publisher
site out of all 7000 he hosts. And he said that one ended up being just one
huge page. Think I did read about the loading site on pages I copied from
your documentation. It's just that I am hoping to use that and have it all
work out - but if I need you I will write quick. Serious mind - losing
material for me. Am the artist-type.....

Thank you for all your help. Off to Irfanview I go.....

 

[DavidF]

First of all, don't confuse me with David Bartosik who is the resident MVP
and wrote the web building content on the MVP site. I am just a user like
you, albeit a bit more experienced.

I would leave the WMPs alone. Just convert your TIFF files, download SP1 and
compress all the images. In fact, most people probably do only this, and
don't bother resampling and resizing, and let Publisher do the heavy
lifting. This compression feature is not available on Pub 2000, which is
what I use, and I am a little more compulsive about getting the best
possible images. Try it both ways...you may decide the extra steps aren't
worth it.

I wouldn't let your host dissuade you from using Publisher at this point.
You may outgrow its capability, and most "serious web builders" do use
programs that are specifically designed for web building (such as
FrontPage), and would not consider using a DTP for this purpose, and that is
the main reason he does not see more people using it. However, for the
person that is wanting a fairly simple static site, Publisher is an ok
choice. As per the one case where it was one big image, that was the user's
mistake. If you overlap page objects they will be converted to an image. If
you go to the following link you will see a list of users that have built
some pretty nice sites with Publisher. Its the person who uses the tool,
more than the tool, in my opinion.
http://www.publishermvps.com/WebDesign/tabid/29/Default.aspx

As per your questions about publishing I would read David Bartosik's
articles about that:
http://www.publishermvps.com/WebDesign/tabid/29/Default.aspx

and spend some time reading the FAQ page and the other materials he has
developed. You will probably save yourself a lot of time if you do a little
homework now, and thus avoid some common mistakes.
http://www.publishermvps.com/Default.aspx?tabid=30

DavidF

 

[Essa Adamms]

Well goodness - I certainly did have you confused w DB. Sorry. Some of your
messages to others ponted me to his material and I just assumed.....
I checked out the publisher sites and sent list to host too - But several
sites don't have images come up, says under a few 'not encrypted.' Guess I
will make sure all mine are encrypted, whateverthat means. Thank you for
helping - I shall return....

 

[Cindy]

Hi David - I just read and copied all your pages on 2003 website publishing.
Good job. Great link.

I am a novice to say least. Though not published yet, I have built a
website in Pub 2003. Probably a lot of problems that need addressed now
instead of later. We will start with size.
--The site so far is 9 MB. Yes, 9 (nine). That IS the problem.
--I did not use a template from wizard. Did this freehand so to speak,
even my navigation bars. But I like what I see and what I have. Previews
look good, loads well for previews, moves well for me on preview.
--Extensive text for information to clients. Some on tables, some in text
boxes.
--The TIFFs I used are repeated extensively instead of using new ones. Am
still going to download Office 2003 SPI to compress what I have, no matter
what I do.
--Now I want to build pages for several boutiques too, using links and
images w/ affiliate companies. Their graphics are another story.
Am willing to pay the extra for a larger site used by more people......
It's all aboutthe loading / publishing
so.....
OKAY..... deep sigh.... what do you think about the size of this site? Am
loading from phone connection through AOL service to Hostasaurus host. No
DSL out here, if that matters at all.

Is there any hope. Or do you think I should do something else. And please
explain FrontPage. Do I stand a chance of converting this site to FrontPage
on th Hostasaurus front? Both being Microsoft, right?
Hope this is clearer than mud. I don't know the lingo at all. Thanks.

 

[DavidF]

Sorry, but it is unclear as to what your question is.

DavidF

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