Student and Teacher versions... what's the scoop?

[Jess Fertudei]

I am considering Office XP S & T version (used only activated on one
machine) and 2007 S & T new.

What is the difference in usability between these versions and the regular
versions?

I am considering this as I upgrade my son's machine as he moves to high
school. They used 2002 last year and likely will again... as I understand it
the learning curve to 2007 is sharp for novices like him... or for old coots
like me who still use 97Pro. I do want both of our machines running the same
software.

We will need our XP Home machines to play well with other machines of a
diverse nature as we interact with members of various organizations we
belong to and 2002 seems like the middle road in that regard as well.

I'm leaning 2002XP... what should I be considering??????








--
I think every songwriter deserves that moment
when they realize that their piece of work is not
particularly a country song or a pop song or a folk
song or a rock-and-roll song -- it's a song.
Nanci Griffith

 

[macropod]

What is the difference in usability between these versions and the regular versions?
None.

The user interface for Word 2007 is markedly different from previous versions. Plus Word 2007's default file format is entirely
different. If your son needs to work with an earlier version at school, and if you want the familiar interface you had with Word 97,
you may find it easier to upgrade to a pre-2007 version.

 

[Jess Fertudei]

Thank you.

What is the difference between the Student versions and the regular
versions? Are there features that are grayed out or what?

What is the difference in usability between these versions and the
regular versions?

None.

The user interface for Word 2007 is markedly different from previous
versions. Plus Word 2007's default file format is entirely different. If
your son needs to work with an earlier version at school, and if you want
the familiar interface you had with Word 97, you may find it easier to
upgrade to a pre-2007 version.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

I am considering Office XP S & T version (used only activated on one
machine) and 2007 S & T new.

What is the difference in usability between these versions and the
regular versions?

I am considering this as I upgrade my son's machine as he moves to high
school. They used 2002 last year and likely will again... as I understand
it the learning curve to 2007 is sharp for novices like him... or for old
coots like me who still use 97Pro. I do want both of our machines running
the same software.

We will need our XP Home machines to play well with other machines of a
diverse nature as we interact with members of various organizations we
belong to and 2002 seems like the middle road in that regard as well.

I'm leaning 2002XP... what should I be considering??????








--
I think every songwriter deserves that moment
when they realize that their piece of work is not
particularly a country song or a pop song or a folk
song or a rock-and-roll song -- it's a song.
Nanci Griffith

 

[macropod]

The license is more restrictive in terms of who can buy it, and the number of allowed installations differs. With Office, the range
of bundled applications differs too. See: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/FX101635841033.aspx

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

Thank you.

What is the difference between the Student versions and the regular versions? Are there features that are grayed out or what?

What is the difference in usability between these versions and the regular versions?

None.

The user interface for Word 2007 is markedly different from previous versions. Plus Word 2007's default file format is entirely
different. If your son needs to work with an earlier version at school, and if you want the familiar interface you had with Word
97, you may find it easier to upgrade to a pre-2007 version.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

I am considering Office XP S & T version (used only activated on one machine) and 2007 S & T new.

What is the difference in usability between these versions and the regular versions?

I am considering this as I upgrade my son's machine as he moves to high school. They used 2002 last year and likely will
again... as I understand it the learning curve to 2007 is sharp for novices like him... or for old coots like me who still use
97Pro. I do want both of our machines running the same software.

We will need our XP Home machines to play well with other machines of a diverse nature as we interact with members of various
organizations we belong to and 2002 seems like the middle road in that regard as well.

I'm leaning 2002XP... what should I be considering??????








--
I think every songwriter deserves that moment
when they realize that their piece of work is not
particularly a country song or a pop song or a folk
song or a rock-and-roll song -- it's a song.
Nanci Griffith

 

[JoAnn Paules]

Home and Student cannot be used for any work you do for those organizations
per the license agreement.

"Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on three licensed
devices in your household for use by people who reside there. The software
is not licensed for use in any commercial, non-profit, or revenue generating
business activities."

 

[Alias]

Home and Student cannot be used for any work you do for those organizations
per the license agreement.

"Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on three licensed
devices in your household for use by people who reside there. The software
is not licensed for use in any commercial, non-profit, or revenue generating
business activities."

What's next, can't use your lap top in the bath room? If I buy software,
I should be able to use it any old way I see fit. Talk about intrusive!

Alias

 

[JoAnn Paules]

By accepting the license when you first fire it up, you've agreed to those
conditions.

 

[Alias]

By accepting the license when you first fire it up, you've agreed to those
conditions.

And if I don't agree, I get my money back? I don't think so. Most people
don't even read the scammy EULAs and do whatever their little hearts
desire with the software and, IMHO, have a *right* to do what they want
with it. I say "scammy" because you cannot get your money back if you
disagree with the EULA. EULAs are written by a team of lawyers to tell
you what you *can't* do with the software. Do you think that MS will
send their goons into a private home to look over their shoulders to
make sure they are only using it for non compensated reasons?

Alias

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Alias,

Microsoft software has a 45 money back guarantee in the U.S., the terms may vary by country.
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/productrefund/refund.mspx

In addition Microsoft has a 60-day free trial to use the software before purchasing the license.

Technically you are not purchasing the software, you're obtaining a license to use it under specified conditions. As with a license
to drive a car, there are specified things to do or not do, but you choose whether to follow the conditions you agreed to (even if
you signed off agreeing to something you never read).

The Home and Student License has a lower retail price for a more restrictive license (basically to not use it in support of any
business activties) but the license is less restrictive in that it's licensed to be used on more computers and by more than one
individual.

The Microsoft Office retail licenses are available online, also tell you what you can do with the software.

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And if I don't agree, I get my money back? I don't think so. Most people
don't even read the scammy EULAs and do whatever their little hearts
desire with the software and, IMHO, have a *right* to do what they want
with it. I say "scammy" because you cannot get your money back if you
disagree with the EULA. EULAs are written by a team of lawyers to tell
you what you *can't* do with the software. Do you think that MS will
send their goons into a private home to look over their shoulders to
make sure they are only using it for non compensated reasons?

Alias<<
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Alias]

Hi Alias,

Microsoft software has a 45 money back guarantee in the U.S., the terms may vary by country.
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/productrefund/refund.mspx

Not true where I live. You open the software, it's yours forever (well,
the license anyway).

In addition Microsoft has a 60-day free trial to use the software before purchasing the license.

Technically you are not purchasing the software, you're obtaining a license to use it under specified conditions.

Yeah, I know the scam. Funny, all the computer stores, web sites, etc.
advertise that they sell software when, in reality, they are selling
licenses to use it. Bait and switch comes to mind.

As with a license
to drive a car, there are specified things to do or not do, but you choose whether to follow the conditions you agreed to (even if
you signed off agreeing to something you never read).

Apples, oranges. You can't kill someone with software very easily. A
car, OTOH, can affect others in a negative way.

The Home and Student License has a lower retail price for a more restrictive license (basically to not use it in support of any
business activties) but the license is less restrictive in that it's licensed to be used on more computers and by more than one
individual.

The Microsoft Office retail licenses are available online, also tell you what you can do with the software.

I'll do whatever I want with all the portable property that I have in my
home and if MS wants to contest it, they can bloody well get a search
warrant before I'll let them snoop around my computer.

Alias

 

[Joseph Meehan]

And if I don't agree, I get my money back?

Yes. If you bought the product and if you don't agree with the terms,
you can get your money back, if you have not installed it, but once you
install it you have agreed to the terms, even if you CHOSE not to read them.

I don't think so. Most people
don't even read the scammy EULAs and do whatever their little hearts
desire with the software and, IMHO, have a *right* to do what they want
with it. I say "scammy" because you cannot get your money back if you
disagree with the EULA. EULAs are written by a team of lawyers to tell you
what you *can't* do with the software. Do you think that MS will send
their goons into a private home to look over their shoulders to make sure
they are only using it for non compensated reasons?

Alias

While I may not personally like the was software is sold and
distributed, I dislike even more someone who feels they should be able to
steal the software, which is what you appear to be suggesting.

Consider this. I buy your car. You have me sign a paper saying I will
pay you $1,000.00 now and if I like it I will pay you anther $5,000 next
month. So next month I keep the car but I did not notice that $5,000 stuff,
and decide I don't like the conditions on that paper I signed so I ignore
them. What would you think of me and what do you think is just.

 

[Jess Fertudei]

OK. Thank you.

So... other than the restriction on what it can be used for, all features
work and files are completely portable and compatible with all other MS
machines and it doesn't turn into a pumpkin in X number of years or bother
him with pester boxes to buy other MS products or... hmmmmmm... what else
could they think of ;-)

Are there any other versions, XP or 2003 preferred, I guess (upgrade
ideally) that allow for use on two machines?

Sorry to bother a setup group with this, but I may as well get it right
before installing, eh?

Home and Student cannot be used for any work you do for those
organizations per the license agreement.

"Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on three
licensed devices in your household for use by people who reside there. The
software is not licensed for use in any commercial, non-profit, or revenue
generating business activities."

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"

I am considering Office XP S & T version (used only activated on one
machine) and 2007 S & T new.

What is the difference in usability between these versions and the
regular versions?

I am considering this as I upgrade my son's machine as he moves to high
school. They used 2002 last year and likely will again... as I understand
it the learning curve to 2007 is sharp for novices like him... or for old
coots like me who still use 97Pro. I do want both of our machines running
the same software.

We will need our XP Home machines to play well with other machines of a
diverse nature as we interact with members of various organizations we
belong to and 2002 seems like the middle road in that regard as well.

I'm leaning 2002XP... what should I be considering??????








--
I think every songwriter deserves that moment
when they realize that their piece of work is not
particularly a country song or a pop song or a folk
song or a rock-and-roll song -- it's a song.
Nanci Griffith

 

[JoAnn Paules]

Retail licenses generally allow:

INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a license,
you must assign that license to one device. That device is the "licensed
device." A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate
device.
a. Licensed Device. You may install and use one copy of the software on the
licensed device.
b. Portable Device. You may install another copy on a portable device for
use by the single primary user of the licensed device.
c. Separation of Components. The components of the software are licensed as
a single unit. You may not separate the components and install them on
different devices.

One license per person is what it boils down to if you are using it for any
sort of work, even volunteer work. That holds true for XP, 2003, and 2007
versions.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

If you live in the U.S., the warranty is as stated on the link provided. Without knowing the country you're in, wellll, your rant
is pretty much the only 'fact' available.


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Not true where I live. You open the software, it's yours forever (well,
the license anyway). >>
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Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Alias]

If you live in the U.S., the warranty is as stated on the link provided. Without knowing the country you're in, wellll, your rant
is pretty much the only 'fact' available.

Spain. Once the shrink wrap is opened, it's yours and no refund. One
does not get to see the EULA until one goes about installing it.

Alias