Style Separators

[Lawrence Berrick]

Has anyone any information on using the Style Separator
feature in Word 2002? Why does it seem to delete the
heading numbers when I use this feature?

 

[Stefan Blom]

I don't know why the style separator has that limitation.
It certainly makes it less useful! However, you can use an
ordinary heading and then format its paragraph mark (¶) to
be hidden. When the document is printed, assuming
that "Hidden text" is deselected on the Print tab of the
Tools > Options dialog box, the heading and the following
body text paragraph will appear on the same line. For
details, see:

http://home.zebra.net/~sbarnhill/RunInSidehead.htm

Stefan

 

[Margaret Aldis]

Unfortunately, I think the hidden marker has exactly the same problem of
killing the number on the following style ! Word only seems to want to show
paragraph numbers at the start of a line. If you need numbers within the
line, even after a separator or hidden paragraph mark, I think you'd have to
use a LISTNUM field.

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I don't know why the style separator has that limitation.
It certainly makes it less useful! However, you can use an
ordinary heading and then format its paragraph mark (¶) to
be hidden. When the document is printed, assuming
that "Hidden text" is deselected on the Print tab of the
Tools > Options dialog box, the heading and the following
body text paragraph will appear on the same line. For
details, see:

http://home.zebra.net/~sbarnhill/RunInSidehead.htm

Stefan

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I think the issue here is the numbers at the beginning of the line, but I
believe hiding the paragraph marker may kill those, too (at least if they're
autonumbers; obviously hard text numbers are okay).

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[Stefan Blom]

You're right. I was talking about the number at the
beginning of the line. For example:

1 Heading 1 <hidden paragraph mark here>An unnumbered body
text paragraph, such as Normal, here.

In the case of using the style separator, the number on
the Heading 1 style disappears.

On the other hand, if you're using the hidden paragraph
mark to include the next level on the same line, you'll
get:

1 Heading 1 <hidden paragraph mark here>Heading 2

1.2 Heading 2 again

In other words, the first occurrence of a Heading 2
paragraph will be unnumbered, and the second will start at
2.

Stefan

 

[Robert M. Franz (RMF)]

Hi Stefan,

Stefan Blom wrote:
[..]

On the other hand, if you're using the hidden paragraph
mark to include the next level on the same line, you'll
get:

1 Heading 1 <hidden paragraph mark here>Heading 2

1.2 Heading 2 again

In other words, the first occurrence of a Heading 2
paragraph will be unnumbered, and the second will start at
2.

hmmm, but if you format the part after the hidden para mark as
"bodytext" (or whatever you use there), your first Heading 2 still is
1.2 ...?

Greetinx
..bob
...Word-MVP

 

[Stefan Blom]

hmmm, but if you format the part after the hidden para

mark as "bodytext" (or whatever you use there), your
first Heading 2 still is 1.2 ...?

Not at all.

Stefan

-----Original Message-----
Hi Stefan,

Stefan Blom wrote:
[..]

On the other hand, if you're using the hidden paragraph
mark to include the next level on the same line, you'll
get:

1 Heading 1 <hidden paragraph mark here>Heading 2

1.2 Heading 2 again

In other words, the first occurrence of a Heading 2
paragraph will be unnumbered, and the second will start at
2.

hmmm, but if you format the part after the hidden para mark as
"bodytext" (or whatever you use there), your first Heading 2 still is
1.2 ...?

Greetinx
..bob
...Word-MVP
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[Alan Taylor]

Hello:

From my experiments, it seems the Style Separator and
Hidden Paragraph mark (usually also red) are affected by
the same thing, and it's fixable.

If you want
1.2 This is for table of contents. The rest of the
paragraph is regular text, not for t of c

you're either going to have a hidden para mark in the
middle of that, or a Style Separator, the latter being the
newer feature that more or less duplicates the old hidden
mark.

And people were reporting that the number was missing when
they ran a table of contents.

With the hidden mark, there was this issue: Direct font
formatting of a paragraph mark DOES or DOES NOT carry over
to the number of an outline styled paragraph, according to
some pretty random rules.

Namely Microsoft changes it each version.

In 2000, with a Red Hidden mark: the red carried over,
but the Hidden didn't. The fix: Modify Heading 1, to get
to the "Big Board": Customize Outline Numbered List.

Choose Level 2 (usually) -- this is the level with
affected numbering. Click "Font" and set it to color:
Black, not Automatic.
* * *
In 2002, the red AND the hidden carry over. So you get to
that font item the same way, then set it for font color
Black, and NOT hidden. You do that by clicking
the "Hidden" checkbox twice.

And, it turns out that this fix also allows you to use the
Style Separator, and you still get your number in the t of
c.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Excellent data, Alan. Thanks for sharing.

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Words into Type
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