you're in the wrong form, hon. don't open the subform at all. open the MAIN
form in design view. IN THE MAIN FORM, click on the subform once to select
it. IN THE MAIN FORM, open the Properties box, etc, etc.
hth
only 'none', 'thin', 'sizable' and 'dialog', of which none of them work, i
still get the borders. i tried turning off the navigation and record
selectors, but same thing.... strange?