table background pocs

[Lex]

Using FrontPage 2003, I'd like to restrict table background .gifs and .jpg's to the table border (cell spacing: 2, Border Size: 1) on a website I manage at http://wvis.ws. Right now the table background pic (eggs.gif 7KB) fills the entire table, including the border, then the cell background pic loads and all else that the cell contains. This really dogs load time, and I'm hoping that restricting the appearance of eggs.gif to the table border will speed things up considerably. Is there some way to do this other than re-writing the FrontPage code?

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Apply a color or solid color gif to all your cells to "cover" the table background image
- won't do anything to improve download time (page still need to load the .gifs)
- trust you are aware NN does not support table backgrounds (only cell backgrounds)




| Using FrontPage 2003, I'd like to restrict table background .gifs and .jpg's to the table border (cell spacing: 2, Border Size: 1)
on a website I manage at http://wvis.ws. Right now the table background pic (eggs.gif 7KB) fills the entire table, including the
border, then the cell background pic loads and all else that the cell contains. This really dogs load time, and I'm hoping that
restricting the appearance of eggs.gif to the table border will speed things up considerably. Is there some way to do this other
than re-writing the FrontPage code?

 

[Lex]

Thanks for the reply! I'm a FrontPage 2003 rookie, only been at this since Dec., don't know what NN means, but have hoped that by restricting the table background pic to only fill an expanded table border (cell spacing: 2, border size: 1) instead of what it does by default -filling the entire table, followed by the cell pic and all else- a page would load quicker. I'm probably hoping for the impossible, or at least what is not easily accomplished. In any case, Please visit my site at http://wvis.ws to see exactly what I mean.

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

NN - Netscape
- and yes what you were hoping to do is wishful thinking




| Thanks for the reply! I'm a FrontPage 2003 rookie, only been at this since Dec., don't know what NN means, but have hoped that by
restricting the table background pic to only fill an expanded table border (cell spacing: 2, border size: 1) instead of what it does
by default -filling the entire table, followed by the cell pic and all else- a page would load quicker. I'm probably hoping for the
impossible, or at least what is not easily accomplished. In any case, Please visit my site at http://wvis.ws to see exactly what I
mean.

 

[Lex]

That's what I was afraid you'd say. Maybe an upgrade will have this option. By the way, I chose to show my e-mail address in my posts here and later received one of those e-mailed MS update notices for IE6 cumulative patch, naturally, with the W32swen virus attached. Norton AV clobbered it. I should have just bounced the thing, but was curious. The letter itself looks downright Microsoft-ish, and I can see how folks without AV protection could easily fall for it. The concern though is that someone has been harvesting e-mail addresses from here.

----- Stefan B Rusynko wrote: ----

NN - Netscap
- and yes what you were hoping to do is wishful thinkin

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| Thanks for the reply! I'm a FrontPage 2003 rookie, only been at this since Dec., don't know what NN means, but have hoped that b
restricting the table background pic to only fill an expanded table border (cell spacing: 2, border size: 1) instead of what it doe
by default -filling the entire table, followed by the cell pic and all else- a page would load quicker. I'm probably hoping for th
impossible, or at least what is not easily accomplished. In any case, Please visit my site at http://wvis.ws to see exactly what
mean

 

[Steve Easton]

Lex, they're not harvesting them from here.
The posts from here are almost simultaneously picked up by several forums
out "on the web" and also appear in Google Groups as soon as the Google bot
scans the group.

As for a newer version doing what you want, it won't. When you set a
background image for a page, it covers the entire page even when there's a
table on the page with a different background "on top of" the page
background.
Also your background image is only a 5kb jpg which is tiled. It isn't
what's causing your slow loading problems.

imho, your slow loading issue is that your hosting on "members.aol"


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Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
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That's what I was afraid you'd say. Maybe an upgrade will have this

option. By the way, I chose to show my e-mail address in my posts here and
later received one of those e-mailed MS update notices for IE6 cumulative
patch, naturally, with the W32swen virus attached. Norton AV clobbered it. I
should have just bounced the thing, but was curious. The letter itself looks
downright Microsoft-ish, and I can see how folks without AV protection could
easily fall for it. The concern though is that someone has been harvesting
e-mail addresses from here.

----- Stefan B Rusynko wrote: -----

NN - Netscape
- and yes what you were hoping to do is wishful thinking




| Thanks for the reply! I'm a FrontPage 2003 rookie, only been at

this since Dec., don't know what NN means, but have hoped that by

restricting the table background pic to only fill an expanded table

border (cell spacing: 2, border size: 1) instead of what it does

by default -filling the entire table, followed by the cell pic and

all else- a page would load quicker. I'm probably hoping for the

impossible, or at least what is not easily accomplished. In any case,

Please visit my site at http://wvis.ws to see exactly what I

 

[Lex]

Thanks for the reply! I'm learning as I go. The Forum does give fair warning about posting e-mail addresses, and I did take a chance, I just haven't known the means whereby e-mail addresses are "harvested" by losers with nothing better to do than try and infect as many computers as possible

It isn't the page background image -sky.jpg- at http://wvis.ws that I was focused on, but eggs.gif, 6.9Kb, the table background pic, and my hope that if I could restrict it to only filling the table border (cell space: 2, border size: 1) instead of filling the entire table by default, the page might load faster. I hadn't suspected sky.jpg as the culprit because eggs.gif APPEARED to take the most time to load, for whatever reason, on the Home page and the Satellites page (eggs.jpg, 23.5Kb) Both the .gif and .jpg are tiled, the idea being to match the repeating pattern of anarule.gif, the dividing line, part of the FP Nature theme.

As for loading time, I don't mind a brief glance at the Easter eggs (cable modem, 256K) but 56K is wretched, and yes, the files are on AOL's FTP server which SHOULD only allow 2MB/user. Right now I'm near 4MB, but an AOL techie assured me that I wouldn't be shut down as long as I didn't go commercial. It's an educational site. We're looking at Terradon to host. At least then we can get rid of the obnoxious Register.com ad

I'll continue hoping that a newer FrontPage will be friendlier to what I'm trying to do with table borders. It's an idea whose time has come.

 

[Steve Easton]

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a solution to make a background
image *not* fill whatever it's the background for.

One thing that's slowing the page down is the server connection. Images
load in the order they are called in the html in the page. Slower aka
"free' servers limit the number of simultaneous port connections that can be
used by a "visitor" to a normal maximum of two ports. Which means only two
items on the page can be *served* to a visitor at a time. So if there are 8
items / components to the page, it loads 1 and 2, then 3 and 4, then 5 and 6
....... until all items on the page are loaded.

You can get a really reasonable hosting company for $50 per ***year*** so
you might want to check into some.
believe me if you use one the page will open much faster.

My hobby site www.95isalive.com is hosted on a $50 per year server ( plus
$10 for domain registration )
and it works just fine. I've seen my server open as many as 17 simultaneous
ports when serving a page.
The host I use for it: www.123ehost.com and yes they have FrontPage
extensions.

There are many others in the same price range.
hth

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Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

Thanks for the reply! I'm learning as I go. The Forum does give fair

warning about posting e-mail addresses, and I did take a chance, I just
haven't known the means whereby e-mail addresses are "harvested" by losers
with nothing better to do than try and infect as many computers as possible.

It isn't the page background image -sky.jpg- at http://wvis.ws that I was

focused on, but eggs.gif, 6.9Kb, the table background pic, and my hope that
if I could restrict it to only filling the table border (cell space: 2,
border size: 1) instead of filling the entire table by default, the page
might load faster. I hadn't suspected sky.jpg as the culprit because
eggs.gif APPEARED to take the most time to load, for whatever reason, on the
Home page and the Satellites page (eggs.jpg, 23.5Kb) Both the .gif and .jpg
are tiled, the idea being to match the repeating pattern of anarule.gif, the
dividing line, part of the FP Nature theme.

As for loading time, I don't mind a brief glance at the Easter eggs (cable

modem, 256K) but 56K is wretched, and yes, the files are on AOL's FTP server
which SHOULD only allow 2MB/user. Right now I'm near 4MB, but an AOL techie
assured me that I wouldn't be shut down as long as I didn't go commercial.
It's an educational site. We're looking at Terradon to host. At least then
we can get rid of the obnoxious Register.com ad.

I'll continue hoping that a newer FrontPage will be friendlier to what I'm

trying to do with table borders. It's an idea whose time has come.

 

[Lex]

Thanks Steve! I'd never considered the question of ports, rookie that I am. If, as you suggest, AOL's FTP server only allows 2 simultaneous port connections, that explains much. I'll look into www.123ehost.com, but does it also process e-mails launched from the site? Is that covered under FrontPage extensions

----- Steve Easton wrote: ----

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a solution to make a backgroun
image *not* fill whatever it's the background for

One thing that's slowing the page down is the server connection. Image
load in the order they are called in the html in the page. Slower ak
"free' servers limit the number of simultaneous port connections that can b
used by a "visitor" to a normal maximum of two ports. Which means only tw
items on the page can be *served* to a visitor at a time. So if there are
items / components to the page, it loads 1 and 2, then 3 and 4, then 5 and
....... until all items on the page are loaded

You can get a really reasonable hosting company for $50 per ***year*** s
you might want to check into some
believe me if you use one the page will open much faster

My hobby site www.95isalive.com is hosted on a $50 per year server ( plu
$10 for domain registration
and it works just fine. I've seen my server open as many as 17 simultaneou
ports when serving a page
The host I use for it: www.123ehost.com and yes they have FrontPag
extensions

There are many others in the same price range
ht

--
Steve Easto
Microsoft MVP FrontPag
95isaliv
This site is best viewed...........
........................with a compute

Thanks for the reply! I'm learning as I go. The Forum does give fai

warning about posting e-mail addresses, and I did take a chance, I jus
haven't known the means whereby e-mail addresses are "harvested" by loser
with nothing better to do than try and infect as many computers as possiblefocused on, but eggs.gif, 6.9Kb, the table background pic, and my hope tha
if I could restrict it to only filling the table border (cell space: 2
border size: 1) instead of filling the entire table by default, the pag
might load faster. I hadn't suspected sky.jpg as the culprit becaus
eggs.gif APPEARED to take the most time to load, for whatever reason, on th
Home page and the Satellites page (eggs.jpg, 23.5Kb) Both the .gif and .jp
are tiled, the idea being to match the repeating pattern of anarule.gif, th
dividing line, part of the FP Nature thememodem, 256K) but 56K is wretched, and yes, the files are on AOL's FTP serve
which SHOULD only allow 2MB/user. Right now I'm near 4MB, but an AOL techi
assured me that I wouldn't be shut down as long as I didn't go commercial
It's an educational site. We're looking at Terradon to host. At least the
we can get rid of the obnoxious Register.com ad

 

[Steve Easton]

Yes you can have unlimited email accounts related to the domain.
example if the web site is: www.yourdomain.com

Email accounts
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
and on and on.

The email accounts are effective as soon as the domain has propagated
throughout the domain name servers.
Usually 24 to 48 hours after the domain is registered and the web account /
domain account is created.
The email accounts are configured through the Web Masters Control panel.

Email does not require FrontPage extensions.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

Thanks Steve! I'd never considered the question of ports, rookie that I

am. If, as you suggest, AOL's FTP server only allows 2 simultaneous port
connections, that explains much. I'll look into www.123ehost.com, but does
it also process e-mails launched from the site? Is that covered under
FrontPage extensions?

 

[Lex]

Thanks again, Steve! The real problem for my friends at WVIS is that they are phone modem connected and "stuck" with AOL for the time being. www.123ehosts.com looks great as a website host, but my friends still need to escape AOL. AOL does have broadband, but its "perks" (5 zillion chat rooms with emoticons? Buddy List?) don't justify the expense. The idea is simply to get online as inexpensively AND satisfactorily as possible. They've been looking at Terradon, an ISP and potential webhost.

By the way, since mentioning the infected "Microsoft" critical update e-mail, I've received, and Norton AV has neutralized, 4 other e-mails from (e-mail address removed), each infected with W32.Swen.A@mm. I use Mailwasher Pro to bounce e-mails, but I've found that these bugars bypass Mailwasher if OE is open at the time of their arrival. I've since blacklisted the ntlworld.com domain, and forwarded the e-mails (the .exe deleted) to (e-mail address removed).


----- Steve Easton wrote: ----

Yes you can have unlimited email accounts related to the domain
example if the web site is: www.yourdomain.co

Email account
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
and on and on

The email accounts are effective as soon as the domain has propagate
throughout the domain name servers
Usually 24 to 48 hours after the domain is registered and the web account
domain account is created
The email accounts are configured through the Web Masters Control panel

Email does not require FrontPage extensions

--
Steve Easto
Microsoft MVP FrontPag
95isaliv
This site is best viewed...........
........................with a compute

Thanks Steve! I'd never considered the question of ports, rookie that

am. If, as you suggest, AOL's FTP server only allows 2 simultaneous por
connections, that explains much. I'll look into www.123ehost.com, but doe
it also process e-mails launched from the site? Is that covered unde
FrontPage extensions