Tablet handwritten doesn't move when inserting space

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jsl

Windows XP Tablet PC edition. Using Onenote on the tablet pc. I tend to
like the most recent notes at the top of a page so I insert extra space a
lot. The problem is, as I recently discovered, while the text on the page
moves down when I insert space, the handwriting annotations do not. Thus,
all my handwritting notes become out of place. Is there a way to fix this?
Thanks,
Jim
 
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Erik Sojka

Can you clarify? What do you mean by "annotations"?

You are inserting new notes at the top of a page and the insertion moves
the text but not any handwriting? What menu option are you using to insert
the space?

Unless the items are part of the background, everything should be moved
when you insert space.
 
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jsl

Handwriting annotations, pen markings (done on Tablet). When I insert
space, everything does not move together. The typed text moves, but the pen
markings do not. I'm simply using the toolbar item for inserting space.
 
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Chris H.

Which version of OneNote are you using? With SP1, I hold the pen to the
screen, causing the right-click menu to come up, then select Extra Writing
Space. This gives me a horizontal line with up and down arrows on it. If
you "drag" that line downward, it will move text or Ink as far as you'd
like. The act of "inserting" space doesn't do anything until you actually
drag on-screen to make the room.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
 
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Benoit Barabe \(MS\)

In both SP1 & V1, the insert space tool can work either just within a text
flow or across the whole page. You should be able to see it "snap" to either
as you move sideway across the screen. If you are trying to move the entire
content, make sure you initially position it where it snaps itself to the
width of the page.

SP1 - especially the final upcoming release - has enhanced ink grouping that
also makes this a little easier to do.

Benoit.
 
J

jsl

For me, when the line cross the whole page, it doesn't insert anything.
When it cross the page only from the left-most line rule, it inserts space
and moves *some* of the ink. For example, I have a handwritten check mark
in the middle of a page (which was checking a certain typed word) that
doesn't seem to move no matter what I try. I certainly don't want to have
to move it, and everything else, manually whenever I insert space.
Thanks,
Jim
 
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Chris H.

Are you dragging the line with your pen in contact with the screen? Just
selecting Extra Writing Space won't do anything, you need to physically move
the pen downward or upward. I really don't remember the performance of this
action in the original OneNote, but you certainly could try Service Pack 1
without problems. It is going to be a free update anyway, so you might as
well enjoy it now:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/onenote/prodinfo/sp1/default.mspx
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
 
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Grant Robertson

Windows XP Tablet PC edition. Using Onenote on the tablet pc. I tend to
like the most recent notes at the top of a page so I insert extra space a
lot. The problem is, as I recently discovered, while the text on the page
moves down when I insert space, the handwriting annotations do not. Thus,
all my handwritting notes become out of place. Is there a way to fix this?
Thanks,
Jim

If I read this correctly, you have some typed lines of text and you also
have some handwritten notes that you wrote over the typed text. Then you
place the cursor before a line of text and press enter a few times to
give you some space as is common for many people who are used to using a
standard text editor or word processor. Am I correct so far?

You state that your problem is when you insert those blank lines the text
moves down but the handwritten notes do not, correct?

Well, there is no real fix for that so far. The handwritten notes are
actually separate objects on the page and are not actually associated
with the typed text at all. I know Microsoft's demos of OneNote make it
look as if you should be able to do this but you can't. Most of the
things implied in the Microsoft demos aren't actually practical in real
life.


What would need to be done for OneNote to behave as you are expecting
would be for it to automatically associate handwriting written over other
things on the page to the word or thing you are writing over. Naturally
this would be incredibly difficult because it would be hard to tell
exactly what part of the text you intended the handwritten note to be
associated with. Perhaps some new kind of gesture like circling the
target word or drawing an arrow could be used.

I have tried several workarounds, like using the Insert Space Tool but it
doesn't work for this problem. I have noticed that it only seems to have
an effect on either the Drawing/Writing guide (also known as 'Ink
Groups' or 'Note Containers' depending on where you look) that the cursor
is in when you click and drag down, or if the cursor is in empty space,
then it only effects the Drawing/Writing guides that are entirely below
the line when you click and drag down. This means if you try to use the
Insert Space Tool it will only work on either the main text in the
writing guide or the notes you have made over that text but not both.

I just thought of one thing you could try: Use the Insert Space Tool to
insert space in your main text noting exactly where you click and how far
you drag down. Then use the Insert Space Tool again placing it exactly
even with where you first used it but outside of that writing guide. Drag
it down exactly the same amount (made much easier if you have snap to
grid turned on) to move down everything else on the page.

Unfortunately this will not work quite right if you have yet another
writing guide that vertically spans the point where you first click to
use the Insert Space Tool. In that case you would have to use the tool
yet again, placing the cursor at the same vertical position as before but
this time within that second writing guide.

Notes:
If you don't have the Writing Guides turned on, you should. This is the
only way to know how OneNote is grouping together your text, handwriting,
or drawing. {View / Show Ink Groups} and {Tools / Options ; Display ; [x]
Show note containers on pages} plus {Tools / Options ; Display ; Adjust
the darkness ... [v] = Medium (or whatever displays best on your screen)}
(Options are for SP-1 RC-1.)

Anytime you write handwriting over existing text (or even handwriting)
OneNote will create a new Writing Guide which will be entirely separate
and independent from the text beneath it. It is also much more likely to
get confused and treat separate words or the crosses of 't's as yet more
separate marks with their own writing or drawing guides. It looks fine as
long as you don't move anything but is a mess if you do move anything.

In doing some experiments while writing this post I have noticed an odd
behaviour of the Insert Space Tool. It only works on either the
Drawing/Writing Guide it is entirely within or all the Guides that are
entirely below it. Perhaps it is by design but the difference isn't
emphasized in anything I have read. You can tell which it is going to do
by the width of the line it draws when you hover over an area of the
page. If the line only goes across part of the page then it is only going
to work within THAT Guide. If it goes ALL the way across the page then it
is going to work on all the Guides that are entirely below it. In this
case you will also see all those guides be highlighted just as you click
down with the Insert Space Tool.

Finally, none of this does you any good if you actually edit the text and
cause the text to scroll down simply because you inserted more text. You
also have to make sure you never change the font or the width of the
Writing Guide. This is because the particular words you had intended the
handwritten annotations to be associated with will be moved horizontally
and, depending on where the text word wrapped, different parts will end
up with different horizontal displacement. You would just have to select
and move each of your annotations one at a time. This is why I just gave
up on making handwritten annotations after about the first day of
experimenting with OneNote. Sure they show it in the demo's but it is
only doable if you never expect to actually make the edits specified in
the annotations. (Maybe if you always start at the bottom and work your
way up. Then the edited parts wouldn't affect the alignment of the
annotations above them.)
 
J

jsl

Yes, I am, of course, moving the pen, etc. that's why some moves and some
decent. I might hold off until the final SP1 is released so I don't have to
install and deinstall everything twice. I suspect it will be soon.
Jim
 
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Pi_Buster

It often does not move for me either. It seems to me that it is a question
of one-note having, at some point, taken the view that the ink is an
integrated unit or picture not to be divided and so it will not move the
lower part down even though there is a clear space between one line and the
next.

I find the only solution is to manually select the text I want to move down
the page and then move it. This usually works.
 

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