Task can not extend past end of project, can it?

S

Strasser

Task can not extend past end of project, can it?

Boss wants advertising tasks to be part of a project.
Boss wants a few advertising tasks to extend past end of project.
Boss wants advertising tasks to “not count” as critical tasks.

Am I right in my advice:
All tasks must finish by end of project.
Keep track of advertising as a separate, concurrent project.

Thanks in advance for comments.
 
C

Crook

Hello Strasser!

Technically speaking you are right. But I was able to think of a way to
manage everything in a single project, provided folks can overlook the
project finish date. Put a milestone task in called "declare victory on
project" and link it to another milestone that defines the actual end of the
project. Put the advertising tasks off of the path between the victory
milestone and the project complete milestone so they won't be critical
tasks. Maybe this will work for you?

HTH,
Crook


Task can not extend past end of project, can it?

Boss wants advertising tasks to be part of a project.
Boss wants a few advertising tasks to extend past end of project.
Boss wants advertising tasks to “not count” as critical tasks.

Am I right in my advice:
All tasks must finish by end of project.
Keep track of advertising as a separate, concurrent project.

Thanks in advance for comments.
 
S

Strasser

Hello Strasser!

Technically speaking you are right.  But I was able to think of a way to
manage everything in a single project, provided folks can overlook the
project finish date.  Put a milestone task in called "declare victory on
project" and link it to another milestone that defines the actual end of the
project.  Put the advertising tasks off of the path between the victory
milestone and the project complete milestone so they won't be critical
tasks.  Maybe this will work for you?

HTH,
Crook


Task can not extend past end of project, can it?

Boss wants advertising tasks to be part of a project.
Boss wants a few advertising tasks to extend past end of project.
Boss wants advertising tasks to “not count” as critical tasks.

Am I right in my advice:
     All tasks must finish by end of project.
     Keep track of advertising as a separate, concurrent project.

Thanks in advance for comments.

Thank you but I think I'm too much of a novice to model what you are
describing, but maybe you can help me.
I don't know how to link a task to a "link" between the two
milestones.
Once I've created the additional advertising task, if I link
advertising to either milestone, advertising task is still on critical
path.
 
C

Crook

Hello Strasser,

A project something like this is what I had in mind:
Task, name, duration, start, finish, predecessors, successors
0 Project1 27 days? Thu 10/30/08 Wed 12/10/08
1 work task 99 1 day? Thu 10/30/08 Thu 10/30/08
2
2 work task 100 5 days Fri 10/31/08 Thu 11/6/08 1
"3,5"
3 advertising task 1 10 days Fri 11/7/08 Thu 11/20/08 2
4
4 advertising task 2 10 days Fri 11/21/08 Mon 12/8/08 3
6
5 declare victory 0 days Thu 11/6/08 Thu 11/6/08 2
6
6 actual project end 0 days Wed 12/10/08 Wed 12/10/08 "5,4"

Important note: Task 6 "actual project end" must be fixed with a SNET or
similar constraint. This creates float for tasks 3 and 4, the advertising
tasks. You must manage the date of the "actual project end" task yourself
to ensure it remains reasonable.

Admittedly, this is a silly solution because it simply manipulates the
system to generate the look your boss wants. Your boss wants the
advertising tasks to be off the critical path. This moves them off the
critical path by artificially constraining the final task.

Project allows us to do many things with a schedule. Just because something
is allowed doesn't mean that it is a good idea. In this case, maybe we make
an exception.

HTH,
Crook


Hello Strasser!

Technically speaking you are right. But I was able to think of a way to
manage everything in a single project, provided folks can overlook the
project finish date. Put a milestone task in called "declare victory on
project" and link it to another milestone that defines the actual end of
the
project. Put the advertising tasks off of the path between the victory
milestone and the project complete milestone so they won't be critical
tasks. Maybe this will work for you?

HTH,
Crook


Task can not extend past end of project, can it?

Boss wants advertising tasks to be part of a project.
Boss wants a few advertising tasks to extend past end of project.
Boss wants advertising tasks to “not count” as critical tasks.

Am I right in my advice:
All tasks must finish by end of project.
Keep track of advertising as a separate, concurrent project.

Thanks in advance for comments.

Thank you but I think I'm too much of a novice to model what you are
describing, but maybe you can help me.
I don't know how to link a task to a "link" between the two
milestones.
Once I've created the additional advertising task, if I link
advertising to either milestone, advertising task is still on critical
path.
 
S

Strasser

Hello Strasser,

A project something like this is what I had in mind:
Task, name, duration, start, finish, predecessors, successors
0 Project1                 27 days? Thu 10/30/08 Wed 12/10/08
1 work task 99            1 day? Thu 10/30/08 Thu 10/30/08
2
2 work task 100          5 days Fri 10/31/08 Thu 11/6/08                1
"3,5"
3 advertising task 1    10 days Fri 11/7/08 Thu 11/20/08                2
4
4 advertising task 2    10 days Fri 11/21/08 Mon 12/8/08               3
6
5 declare victory          0 days Thu 11/6/08 Thu 11/6/08                 2
6
6 actual project end      0 days Wed 12/10/08 Wed 12/10/08        "5,4"

Important note:  Task 6 "actual project end" must be fixed with a SNET or
similar constraint.  This creates float for tasks 3 and 4, the advertising
tasks.  You must manage the date of the "actual project end" task yourself
to ensure it remains reasonable.

Admittedly, this is a silly solution because it simply manipulates the
system to generate the look your boss wants.  Your boss wants the
advertising tasks to be off the critical path. This moves them off the
critical path by artificially constraining the final task.

Project allows us to do many things with a schedule.  Just because something
is allowed doesn't mean that it is a good idea.  In this case, maybe wemake
an exception.

HTH,
Crook









Thank you but I think I'm too much of a novice to model what you are
describing, but maybe you can help me.
I don't know how to link a task to a "link" between the two
milestones.
Once I've created the additional advertising task, if I link
advertising to either milestone, advertising task is still on critical
path.

Very interesting!
Now I "get it".
Thank you so much for the clear explanation.
I hope this helps someone else, besides me.
I was looking for an attribute that would shut off the "critical path"
visibility of the advertising tasks.
When you artificially constrain the the final task, it leaves slack in
the advertising tasks, which accomplishes the same thing.
 
C

Crook

Hello Strasser!

Glad I could help!

Crook

Hello Strasser,

A project something like this is what I had in mind:
Task, name, duration, start, finish, predecessors, successors
0 Project1 27 days? Thu 10/30/08 Wed 12/10/08
1 work task 99 1 day? Thu 10/30/08 Thu 10/30/08
2
2 work task 100 5 days Fri 10/31/08 Thu 11/6/08 1
"3,5"
3 advertising task 1 10 days Fri 11/7/08 Thu 11/20/08 2
4
4 advertising task 2 10 days Fri 11/21/08 Mon 12/8/08 3
6
5 declare victory 0 days Thu 11/6/08 Thu 11/6/08 2
6
6 actual project end 0 days Wed 12/10/08 Wed 12/10/08 "5,4"

Important note: Task 6 "actual project end" must be fixed with a SNET or
similar constraint. This creates float for tasks 3 and 4, the advertising
tasks. You must manage the date of the "actual project end" task yourself
to ensure it remains reasonable.

Admittedly, this is a silly solution because it simply manipulates the
system to generate the look your boss wants. Your boss wants the
advertising tasks to be off the critical path. This moves them off the
critical path by artificially constraining the final task.

Project allows us to do many things with a schedule. Just because
something
is allowed doesn't mean that it is a good idea. In this case, maybe we
make
an exception.

HTH,
Crook









Thank you but I think I'm too much of a novice to model what you are
describing, but maybe you can help me.
I don't know how to link a task to a "link" between the two
milestones.
Once I've created the additional advertising task, if I link
advertising to either milestone, advertising task is still on critical
path.

Very interesting!
Now I "get it".
Thank you so much for the clear explanation.
I hope this helps someone else, besides me.
I was looking for an attribute that would shut off the "critical path"
visibility of the advertising tasks.
When you artificially constrain the the final task, it leaves slack in
the advertising tasks, which accomplishes the same thing.
 

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