The New PowerToys

[TJanRap]

i love the two new PowerToys, for sending from Outlook and IE to OneNote. I
sincerely hope that they will be included as part of OneNote in the next
version. They increase the functionality and eas of use tremendously.

For those of you who are writing these PowerToys, could you please do ones
for Word and Excel that would create editable notes--and support color? And
how about one to send Access reports?

I think OneNote is the best thing since sliced bread. I use it a gazillion
times a day, and can always find what I'm looking for because I now know it
is in OneNote. My Notebook is now about 17MB, and growing every day. Since I
started using it a couple of months ago, I have been adding whatever comes my
way that I need to be able to find. Thank you to team that created it and
continues to work on it.

I'd be happy to test the next version beta when it's ready.

 

[Gerry]

Like you, I am using OneNote extensively and am hoping that the IE to ON
Powertoy will resolve the limitation of the Screen Clipping utility of ON
which only lets you grab the visible screen in IE and not the whole web page
if its longer than the screen. However, I am finding that the content of
resulting pages in ON is all messed up, as if info from the different
columns on the web page goes to ON all under one column. Is there a setting
or something to prevent this so that the ON page resembles the IE page? I
sure hope so as its essentially useless as it is now.

 

[Diane Poremsky [MVP]]

No, you would need to print the page and insert the printed page because
ON's table support is limited plus many sites use css to control layout,
which ON doesn't support.

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[Gerry]

Too bad, as the results now are essentially useless. What seems to be
needed is a "print" to OneNote driver, similar to the print to Journal Notes
Writer for TabletPC users. I use this all the time to read and annotate web
pages, but would prefer to send these pages to OneNote instead of using the
Windows Journal in order to have all of my notes in one place. Thanks for
the info.

No, you would need to print the page and insert the printed page because
ON's table support is limited plus many sites use css to control layout,
which ON doesn't support.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Author, Google and Other Search Engines (Visual QuickStart Guide)



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Like you, I am using OneNote extensively and am hoping that the IE to ON
Powertoy will resolve the limitation of the Screen Clipping utility of ON
which only lets you grab the visible screen in IE and not the whole web
page
if its longer than the screen. However, I am finding that the content of
resulting pages in ON is all messed up, as if info from the different
columns on the web page goes to ON all under one column. Is there a
setting
or something to prevent this so that the ON page resembles the IE page? I
sure hope so as its essentially useless as it is now.

OneNote.
I know
it

 

[TJanRap]

Try selecting just the text you want before clicking on the OneNote icon in
IE. If there are separate frames, you should be able to get just what you
want. The powertoy will send just the selection to OneNote in the
webclippings section. It's still not as pretty as the original, but you don't
get all of the extraneous frames and ads.

After I import a selection, I usually select the resulting text box, go to
format->list, and add 12pt to "between list items" because extra line breaks
are stripped in the copy process for some reason. this makes it more
readable, and only takes a few seconds to accomplish.

Too bad, as the results now are essentially useless. What seems to be
needed is a "print" to OneNote driver, similar to the print to Journal Notes
Writer for TabletPC users. I use this all the time to read and annotate web
pages, but would prefer to send these pages to OneNote instead of using the
Windows Journal in order to have all of my notes in one place. Thanks for
the info.

No, you would need to print the page and insert the printed page because
ON's table support is limited plus many sites use css to control layout,
which ON doesn't support.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Author, Google and Other Search Engines (Visual QuickStart Guide)



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Like you, I am using OneNote extensively and am hoping that the IE to ON
Powertoy will resolve the limitation of the Screen Clipping utility of ON
which only lets you grab the visible screen in IE and not the whole web
page
if its longer than the screen. However, I am finding that the content of
resulting pages in ON is all messed up, as if info from the different
columns on the web page goes to ON all under one column. Is there a
setting
or something to prevent this so that the ON page resembles the IE page? I
sure hope so as its essentially useless as it is now.

i love the two new PowerToys, for sending from Outlook and IE to OneNote.
I
sincerely hope that they will be included as part of OneNote in the next
version. They increase the functionality and eas of use tremendously.

For those of you who are writing these PowerToys, could you please do
ones
for Word and Excel that would create editable notes--and support color?
And
how about one to send Access reports?

I think OneNote is the best thing since sliced bread. I use it a
gazillion
times a day, and can always find what I'm looking for because I now know
it
is in OneNote. My Notebook is now about 17MB, and growing every day.
Since
I
started using it a couple of months ago, I have been adding whatever
comes
my
way that I need to be able to find. Thank you to team that created it and
continues to work on it.

I'd be happy to test the next version beta when it's ready.

 

[Chris_Pratley \(MS\)]

A printer-driver style OneNote PowerToy is in the works (actually two of
them), so you should see something like this in a few weeks is my guess.

Chris Pratley (MS)
OneNote team

Too bad, as the results now are essentially useless. What seems to be
needed is a "print" to OneNote driver, similar to the print to Journal Notes
Writer for TabletPC users. I use this all the time to read and annotate web
pages, but would prefer to send these pages to OneNote instead of using the
Windows Journal in order to have all of my notes in one place. Thanks for
the info.

No, you would need to print the page and insert the printed page because
ON's table support is limited plus many sites use css to control layout,
which ON doesn't support.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Author, Google and Other Search Engines (Visual QuickStart Guide)



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Like you, I am using OneNote extensively and am hoping that the IE to ON
Powertoy will resolve the limitation of the Screen Clipping utility of ON
which only lets you grab the visible screen in IE and not the whole web
page
if its longer than the screen. However, I am finding that the content of
resulting pages in ON is all messed up, as if info from the different
columns on the web page goes to ON all under one column. Is there a
setting
or something to prevent this so that the ON page resembles the IE

page?

I

 

[Grant Robertson]

A printer-driver style OneNote PowerToy is in the works (actually two of
them), so you should see something like this in a few weeks is my guess.

Hopefully at least one of them will produce editable text that is cleanly
formatted. It doesn't have to be identical to the web site but not
jumbling things up would be a good start.

Just an image of what the web page looks like is not a reasonable
alternative for me. It defies the notion of being able to search through
your notes.

 

[Michael D. Adams]

: A printer-driver style OneNote PowerToy is in the works (actually two of
: them), so you should see something like this in a few weeks is my guess.

Sweet. That's one of the two big items on my wish list.

Somehow, the other item on that list (some sort of a text Palm conduit) is
something I don't expect to see on a Microsoft website anytime soon.

 

[Chris_Pratley \(MS\)]

If you mean that you want nearly the same layout as the web page, but fully
editable, that isn't going to happen. That would require Onenote to have the
same layout capabilities as a browser (e.g. nested table support, like
Word), or hosting the browser control on the page (which would not then be
OneNote surface, so no ink, etc). I understand the need of course - it is
just a lot harder than it seems.

Chris Pratley (MS)
OneNote team

 

[Grant Robertson]

If you mean that you want nearly the same layout as the web page, but fully
editable, that isn't going to happen. That would require Onenote to have the
same layout capabilities as a browser (e.g. nested table support, like
Word), or hosting the browser control on the page (which would not then be
OneNote surface, so no ink, etc). I understand the need of course - it is
just a lot harder than it seems.

I know. This is why I keep pushing for OneNote to have an HTML based
display system. Just search for my name and HTML for past references.
Basically I think a OneNOte page should be based on HTML with a special
type of object on the page that can contain ink. These objects would look
and act just like the current writing guides but would be different from
writing guides that contained HTML or Word OLE data. But don't use IE for
the HTML engine. It will just make OneNote vulnerable to all the same
crap that gets to IE. Use a clean HTML engine that only displays static
HTML and the special objects for OneNote's ink. Those who want their
OneNote pages to run JavaScript, PHP, and Flash programs will have to be
out of luck. I always keep in mind that OneNote is for notes not web
design or as a database or calendar. But you have to keep in mind that a
lot of the notes that people take these days are copied from web pages.


But for now, have you seen Word's formatted text output. It does a pretty
good job of matching the formatting of the Word Document (even tables)
just using spaces in the right places. Granted, if you edit the text you
have to adjust the number of intervening spaces to keep the columns
aligned right but at least they start out aligned and the text is actual
text. It beats using only a picture of the web page and it beats just
dribbling the tables down the page as a series of apparently random
words.

(I guess I have just figured out my workaround. But that is a two step
process that involves starting word every time I need to do this. We all
know that Word is not the fastest starting program in the world.)

Something else you could probably do without changing the basic way
OneNote store it's data: You could import the data as both a picture AND
the actual text. This could be accomplished simply by importing the text
as a set of collapsed sub-headings under the picture. The picture would
be the main heading with the text collapsed under that. Then you could
have the best of both worlds. You could view the picture and just double
click on it's paragraph handle to get to the hidden text. Naturally,
editing that text wouldn't change the picture but at least you could copy
and paste it elsewhere. (So, I guess, I've just invented another
workaround. But it, too, is a two step process so I've got a total of
three steps to get what I want.) It would be nice to have at least this
much automated but I am not a good enough programmer for this type of
thing so I will leave it up to others to write the code.

 

[Gerry]

Glad to see the "print" to OneNote is coming. I would prefer an image type
so the page looks like the original, i.e., the text would not need to be
editable, but it should be searchable, similar to the Journal Notes Writer
for Tablet PCs.

 

[Chris_Pratley \(MS\)]

If we used an HTML surface, editing would be unpleasant, and you would not
get many of the features that OneNote has. I know to the untrained eye that
HTML controls seem to do "everything you need" but if you try to build an
app the way you want to on them, not just the way they allow, then you
quickly run into limitations.

BTW, a powertoy could print both images and the text (via copy/paste) on a
page to get what you are suggesting as a workaround.

Chris Pratley (MS)
OneNote team

 

[tt_said_so]

question how do i insert text into notes im typing or bok reports im doing on
one note without overwriting the text infront of the letters im correcting
its a pain in the but to type notes all over again time and time again...

 

[kente]

It appears from the posts here that others are having the same difficulty as
me. I am evaluating OneNote using the trial and comparing it to EverNote.
I find that OneNote is more powerful but EverNote allows me to just click on
an icon in the browser and save the entire web page, with links enabled and
no selecting or scrolling. This is a very significant issue for me since I
use this to research issues and save the results several times a day. Am I
overlooking something in OneNote that I should be aware of?

 

[Patrick Schmid]

I don't know which new powertoys you are referring to. Those have been
around a while.
Sending to OneNote from IE and Outlook is built-into OneNote 2007. You
can download the beta version for $1.50 and give it a try. As it is
beta, you should not use it for production work.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rainald Taesler]

It appears from the posts here that others are having the same
difficulty as me. I am evaluating OneNote using the trial and
comparing it to EverNote.

It seems that you are trying out OneNote 2003.
Why not have a look at the Beta 2 of OnenOte 2007?
You may download it from the Office 2007 Beta site of MS.

I find that OneNote is more powerful but
EverNote allows me to just click on an icon in the browser and save
the entire web page, with links enabled and no selecting or
scrolling.

With ON 2007 you'll find an ON icon in the IE toolbar which copies
either the whole page or just the marked parts into ON.

This is a very significant issue for me since I use this
to research issues and save the results several times a day. Am I
overlooking something in OneNote that I should be aware of?

Yes, the great new features of OnenNote 2007 ;-)

Rainald

 

[Grant Robertson]

What if OneNote incorporated a layered approach? Then the HTML could be
on a layer behind the ink.