Third Party / Additional Citation Styles

[Ironfeliks23]

I am wondering if anyone has found a library (no matter the size) of third
party or microsoft written additional citation styles for Word 2007. It is a
big internet and there are some really talented folks out there. Are the 10
bundled with Word the only complete styles out there so far?

I have been looking into this off and on for the last few days and would
really like to not become an expert in XML just to change to a more
Engineering friendly reference style. I am currently deciding what program
to begin writting my thesis in. I am comfortable with much of Word and would
like to continue using it.

I appreciate Microsoft's dedication to enhancing the features of it's
products; however, with no way to update the styles (short of full XML
programming) it is frustrating to see the potential flexibilty and ease of
use, without being able to sieze it.

As a suggestion, I would like to add my name to the list of folks requesting
a GUI interface for the addition of citation styles.

Hopefully,

T

 

[Amy]

I haven't used Word 2007, so not sure of its referencing capability, but I
find EndNote (www.endnote.com) very useful for referencing - it is fully
compatible with Word and has hundreds of styles (which are easy to modify if
there isn't one that matches your requirements). You just type normally in
Word and click the EndNote toolbar to insert a reference. If you decide at
some point to change to a different referencing style, this is easy to
achieve with a few clicks. EndNote also allows you to search within your
references - very handy if you have a lot of them. There are also other
similar programs, e.g. Procite.

Amy

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi T.,

There have been a couple of 3rd party efforts early on, but the process of creating your own style wasn't available in readily
available documents.

The MS Word folks have recently put out the first in a series of articles on their blog that describes the process for creating your
own (in the case of the blog a simple one) style that may be of interest.

Please let us know what you think of the article and if you're game in trying to make a new style by sharing the requirements here.
Perhaps a few of the folks here will be willing to 'join in' to use this as a learning/trouble shooting exercise ?
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2007/12/14/bibliography-citations-1011.aspx

There may be a n XML or other tool coming at some point for creating changes via the User Interface, but it's not presently in the
Word 2007 product

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I am wondering if anyone has found a library (no matter the size) of third
party or microsoft written additional citation styles for Word 2007. It is a
big internet and there are some really talented folks out there. Are the 10
bundled with Word the only complete styles out there so far?

I have been looking into this off and on for the last few days and would
really like to not become an expert in XML just to change to a more
Engineering friendly reference style. I am currently deciding what program
to begin writting my thesis in. I am comfortable with much of Word and would
like to continue using it.

I appreciate Microsoft's dedication to enhancing the features of it's
products; however, with no way to update the styles (short of full XML
programming) it is frustrating to see the potential flexibilty and ease of
use, without being able to sieze it.

As a suggestion, I would like to add my name to the list of folks requesting
a GUI interface for the addition of citation styles.

Hopefully,

T>>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Ironfeliks23]

Amy,

I appreciate your suggestion. If the Word functionality remains illusive
over the next month or so, I will probably have to turn to a 3rd party
software to get rolling on my thesis. I already use MathType for my
equations, and do not mind using EndNote for my references. However, I am
always happier using a Microsoft supported function before a third party, as
MS has a habit of making it hard for 3rd parties to keep up with
compatibility.

At $115 through AcademicSuperstore.com, it is still not the cheapest
solution, but far cheaper than having to learn XML to write my own in Word.
Ultimately I am thankful to have a recommendation for one of the third party
softwares, as I take it you are recommending EndNote.

If you are unfamliar with word 2007's reference functionality, I would
recommend following the blog link in the subsequent reply. I found it very
informative and a great jumping off point in my search for adding custom
citation styles to my thesis. Unfortunately it only reinforced my feeling
that I was not going to be able to easily update the styles that were bundled
with the program.

If you have any further recommendations about EndNote or another third party
reference program, I would be happy to hear them.

Regards,

T

 

[Ironfeliks23]

Mr. Buckland,

I ran across this post early in my quest and found it very useful. In
short, it let me know the process was possible: a great relief.

I have not written html since FrontPage was introduced in the 90's, thus the
idea of writing XML makes me groan. A groan amplified by the realization
that not learning LaTex is why I wanted to stay with Microsoft.

To answer your question then: Yes, the article was very helpful, and no, I
will not be editing any citation codes just yet.

I can shamelessly say, however, that I will happily reap the benefits if
others more versed in XML were to take up the cause.

To that end I will go search out some requirements for AIAA journals, APS
journals and AIP journals. They mostly want numbered in-text referencing,
superscripting, brackets, bibliographies in order of appearance, ibid and
proper et al. citations and a succinct listing of the authors, name, journal
and year.

It would be helpful if MS would release exactly what fields map to what
styles for each type of source, so that the public knows how they applied the
various styles.

I am a bit unclear about one aspect of the XML stylesheets: The 1033 folder
holds some sort of bibliography data, but I am not sure what. The style
folder holds the citation formats, and it seems the 1033 folder holds the
type of sources, such as book, journal, and website. Do happen to know any
clarification on that?

And thus is my excessive reply to an essentially simple question.

Regards,

T

 

[Amy]

The only thing I would recommend is that if you are planning to get EndNote
(or any other referencing program), get it now while you are still at the
beginning of your thesis. If you wait until you already have a lot of
references, then it will take a long time to enter tham all into EndNote
(although you can download them automatically from Web of Science or journal
websites, this still takes time). You might be able to buy EndNote more
cheaply through your university - it only costs $36 (~$US30) through mine.

I haven't used any other referencing program, but check with your university
library to see which one they support in terms of training etc.. Also check
which EndNote version your university computers use - very old versions are
not compatible with newer versions, so ideally you should buy the same
version that your university has (if you will ever need to use EndNote on
university computers).

Amy

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi T.,

You may want to add your comments to two locations on the Microsoft Word blog. (A) As feedback to the Bibliography article from the
prior message and (B) in response their 'survey' questions about the next version of the Product and info you'd like to see them
blog about:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2008/01/04/wish-list-sort-of-for-2008.aspx

The '1033' is the Locale ID folder for a specific language. In this case, English(U.S). Entries there would normally apply to items
formatted with that proofing language in Word. This article lists others that you might run across.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221435/en-us?FR=1


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Mr. Buckland,

I ran across this post early in my quest and found it very useful. In
short, it let me know the process was possible: a great relief.

I have not written html since FrontPage was introduced in the 90's, thus the
idea of writing XML makes me groan. A groan amplified by the realization
that not learning LaTex is why I wanted to stay with Microsoft.

To answer your question then: Yes, the article was very helpful, and no, I
will not be editing any citation codes just yet.

I can shamelessly say, however, that I will happily reap the benefits if
others more versed in XML were to take up the cause.

To that end I will go search out some requirements for AIAA journals, APS
journals and AIP journals. They mostly want numbered in-text referencing,
superscripting, brackets, bibliographies in order of appearance, ibid and
proper et al. citations and a succinct listing of the authors, name, journal
and year.

It would be helpful if MS would release exactly what fields map to what
styles for each type of source, so that the public knows how they applied the various styles.

I am a bit unclear about one aspect of the XML stylesheets: The 1033 folder holds some sort of bibliography data, but I am not sure
what. The style folder holds the citation formats, and it seems the 1033 folder holds the type of sources, such as book, journal,
and website. Do happen to know any
clarification on that?

And thus is my excessive reply to an essentially simple question.

Regards,

T >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Ironfeliks23]

Dear Me,

Below this posting I am looking to form a list of citation styles that I
would like to see implemented. I would like to state that I have no plans at
the moment to undertake the coding for this, however it has been suggested
that just compiling the formatting desired would be helpful. If anyone would
like to post what they would like to see, be my guest.

 

[Ironfeliks23]

From the AIAA website for the formatting of references for their publications

http://www.writetrack.net/aiaa/documents/ReferenceFormat.pdf

 

[Ironfeliks23]

This is from the American Institute of Physics

http://www.aip.org/pubservs/compuscript.html#template

 

[Ironfeliks23]

Updated source:

http://www.aip.org/pubservs/style/4thed/AIP_Style_4thed.pdf

 

[Phill Hallam-Baker]

I blogged on the shortfalls in the citation manager earlier today

http://dotfuturemanifesto.blogspot.com/2008/02/citation-manager-in-word-2007.html

I find the most irritating problem the lack of a means of importing Bibtex
or Endnote format citations. Many academic journals provide these directly.
But it should be possible to simply cut and paste a citation from a journal -
its elementary parser theory.

The other problem is the lack of slots in the citation formats. The ISO
formats are not at all useful for citing web documents - particularly in
cases where a journal article is also available on the Web. I know that the
gnomes of ISO have ideas on this, but they are written by people who are
utterly clueless Web wise. And I say that as one of the Web founders.

If there is a Web source I want to include it in the citation, whether or
not it is also available in dead tree format. Word does not give me this
option for journal articles - the ISO gnomes are apparently unaware of the
existence of Web only journals.

The 'accessed on' stuff is bogus, if it has any place in a citation manager
it should allow me to fill this in by pressing a button that grabs a copy for
my private cache and enters the data directly.

 

[Andrea]

While I don't require additional styles, I do require additional source
types. It is not currently possible to cite journal articles found in
databases, and also print journals don't have fields for volume and issue
number, unless you expand to all fields (which is not intuitive). While I
understand it is possible to create a style, this will only help me, and not
the students in our academic institution who we are trying to teach proper
bibliographic format. Since this feature is available, we know people will
use it and would like to make it as correct as possible.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Andrea,

Unfortunately, your comment was added to a rather old thread, so it's not clear which of the 10 built in styles you're using from
Word 2007 and what guide to a specific style you're using when you mention 'proper' bibliographic format. For example - 'Journal
Article' under MLA does not have Volume and Issue number fields in create source, but ISO690-Numerical does.

The MS Citation/bibliography feature is extensible (i.e. MS's expectation or hope or ??? was likely that folks who needed to add
additional Source types or Styles would do so, as it's pretty much all XML based.

Granted, they didn't make it easy to figure out how to do that, but there's also the issue that it's also possible to create a
source type that wouldn't follow the Style you tied it to.

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While I don't require additional styles, I do require additional source
types. It is not currently possible to cite journal articles found in
databases, and also print journals don't have fields for volume and issue
number, unless you expand to all fields (which is not intuitive). While I
understand it is possible to create a style, this will only help me, and not
the students in our academic institution who we are trying to teach proper
bibliographic format. Since this feature is available, we know people will
use it and would like to make it as correct as possible. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*