Times New Roman open type-- Czech?

G

gweno

Help!

I am working with translators in the Czech Republic, they send
documents in times new roman open type, but the diacritics are missing.

How can I get this font for my mac?

I've tried using other fonts that are on the mac and converting the
document, but it doesn't help.

I'm new to the whole concept and don't know where to turn.

THANKS!

Gwen
 
M

matt neuburg

gweno said:
I am working with translators in the Czech Republic, they send
documents in times new roman open type, but the diacritics are missing.

How can I get this font for my mac?

I've tried using other fonts that are on the mac and converting the
document, but it doesn't help.

I'm new to the whole concept and don't know where to turn.
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My first guess is that you're not using Word 2004. If not, upgrade; it
provides Unicode support. The documents might just work, with no further
effort on your part.

Now, if you're already using Word 2004, then that's obviously not the
right answer! :) m.
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

There is a Times New Roman CE (for Central Europe) font, that I think you
need, and you don't need Word 2004 for it. Use Google groups to search this
newsgroup for posts by Andreas Prilop, and you will find more and better
information in his posts and/or in the threads he posts in, some of the
subject lines should be relevant to your problem--or he or someone else may
come along and help you more specifically, as I am by no means an expert in
this area.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.mac.office.word
 
P

Paul Berkowitz

In fact, you probably don't even need Times New Roman CE font as such. As
long as you have _any_ CE font, Word should do a font substitution of
necessary. And how do you get the CE fonts? It's quite easy:

If you are in OS 10.2 or 10.3, insert your OS CD. You might be able to do
this with just the optional 3rd CD, without having to boot from the first OS
CD. There should be a .mkpg file called "Additional Languages". Launch it.
If you can't find that one, or it doesn't help, you'll need to insert the
first OS CD, launch Install Mac OS 10.x, and when it restarts, choose
Customize (when you get to that screen) and select _just_ Additional
Languages or the particular Central European languages if you wish. Deselect
everything else that's already been installed, You should be able to click
an Upgrade button. After installation, you'll find the Central European
languages, including Czech, available. (If there's any chance that you might
need to edit these documents, you should add Czech to the Input languages
you want in System Preferences/International/Input Menu, - called "Keyboard
Menu", I think, in 10.2). You should know be able to see the docs complete
with Czech diacritics. The font might be Times CE rather than Times New
Roman CE, if you're in Entourage X, but should still be correct.

If you're still in OS 9 and/or Word 2001 (including Classic within OS X),
insert the OS 9 CD and do a similar Customize installation, just for
Language Kits/Central European. (I'm not sure if there would be a problem
should you happen to have one of the new Macs that can't boot in OS 9 but
you use Office 2001 in Classic. Maybe. Upgrade to Office 2004 or X in that
case.)

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.
 
K

Klaus Linke

As an aside:

I might be wrong for the Mac, but on the PC, there usually isn't really a "physical" CE font.
The "Times New Roman CE" (or "Times New Roman Greek, Cyr, Baltic, ...") only appears in non-Unicode programs, and means that a subset of the regular "Times New Roman" font for the corresponding "Central European" code page has been selected.
It's simply a mapping for old programs (that only can deal with single byte characters) to get at the 1000+ characters in "Times New Roman" and other Unicode (or more technical: "Windows Glyph List 4") fonts.

Regards,
Klaus
 
P

Paul Berkowitz

That's precisely why the discussion was being limited to Word X and earlier,
Klaus. Word 2004 is the first Unicode version of the Mac. Matt had already
explained that Word 2004 handles Czech just fine, and deduced that gweno
must be using Word X or earlier. Daiya introduced the topic of CE fonts
specifically for pre-2004, but without much detail. I supplied the detail.

The reiterate, Word 2004 handles Czech and a good many other languages just
fine, being Unicode supporting.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.
 
K

Klaus Linke

That's why I started with "As an aside", just to prevent users looking for the CE font on their machine, or being worried that they don't "have" that font in Word2004.

Klaus
 
G

gweno

Paul said:
That's precisely why the discussion was being limited to Word X and earlier,
Klaus. Word 2004 is the first Unicode version of the Mac. Matt had already
explained that Word 2004 handles Czech just fine, and deduced that gweno
must be using Word X or earlier. Daiya introduced the topic of CE fonts
specifically for pre-2004, but without much detail. I supplied the detail.

The reiterate, Word 2004 handles Czech and a good many other languages just
fine, being Unicode supporting.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>
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Thank you Paul. Presumably this is the same on all versions of Word
2004, including the education version? I'm registered to graduate this
semester so am truly entitled to the discount if Word will handle it.

If it's unicode, does that mean when I email the document to my advisor
it will come out correctly on his end as well? what about printing--
will it print with all the diacritics? I'm wondering if I shouldn't
send as a pdf or something. I'm sorry if these are basic and obvious
questions. Times New Roman CE is working for me but when I send it to
a friend it doesn't print out correctly and to be honest I havent' even
tried printing on my own computer yet, so I'm a little nervous. The
Open Type/Unicode support sounds much better!
 
P

Paul Berkowitz

Thank you Paul. Presumably this is the same on all versions of Word
2004, including the education version? I'm registered to graduate this
semester so am truly entitled to the discount if Word will handle it.
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Yes. There's nothing missing from the Teachers & Students Edition - it's the
full Office 2004 installation at a lower price and with extra licenses.
If it's unicode, does that mean when I email the document to my advisor
it will come out correctly on his end as well?
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If s/he has a recent version of Windows Word - 2000, 2002 or 2003 , or Mac
Word 2004, everything will be fine. If s/he has Mac Word X or earlier, it
won't. You'd better ask.
what about printing--
will it print with all the diacritics?
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Yes. As long as the Unicode fonts are on the computer it will print fine.
I'm wondering if I shouldn't
send as a pdf or something.
Click to expand...

Only if your supervisor has Mac Word X or earlier should that be necessary.
There's nothing to stop you doing so anyway, except a pdf would prevent your
supervisor adding comments, which thesis supervisors tend to like to do. (I
found it very useful to add comments to my student's paper using Track
Changes. Some of them got incorporated in later drafts, some were questions.
Eventually, in the final draft, all comments were removed, of course.)
I'm sorry if these are basic and obvious
questions. Times New Roman CE is working for me but when I send it to
a friend it doesn't print out correctly and to be honest I havent' even
tried printing on my own computer yet, so I'm a little nervous.
Click to expand...

That's because your friend is probably using Windows Word, which doesn't
handle CE fonts and is making incorrect substitutions.

The
Open Type/Unicode support sounds much better!
Click to expand...

Indeed.


--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.
 
G

gweno

Thanks to Paul and Klaus and everyone who weighed in on this.

I believe my Czech translator is using Office 2000-- not on a mac. I
don't know what kind of computer my advisor has, but I would lay money
it's not a mac. The friend I sent the document to is also using a
non-mac (a dell).

Am I correct in assuming that once I go to the open type in word 2004
it will transmit correctly to my windows pals?

It looks like I'd better pony up for the educational office 2004...

my advisor did send comments back electronically once, but since then
he seems to prefer to print out and do them by hand, so .pdf should
also work. (will it print out correctly if sent in .pdf?)

thanks everybody for all your help with this!
 
A

Andreas Prilop

I believe my Czech translator is using Office 2000-- not on a mac. I
don't know what kind of computer my advisor has, but I would lay money
it's not a mac. The friend I sent the document to is also using a
non-mac (a dell).

Am I correct in assuming that once I go to the open type in word 2004
it will transmit correctly to my windows pals?
Click to expand...

No. It has nothing to do with OpenType vs. TrueType vs. PostScript,
but with your file format. DOC and RTF files have no label in them
that says "The font in this document is an OpenType font."

Save your own files in Rich Text Format (RTF) and ask others to do
the same.
 
G

gweno

I just got a document from the theatre institute in Prague. Sent as
..rtf.

And guess what. Same problem with the diacritics! a _ where a
character with diacritic should be.

So merely saving as .rtf does not guarantee my advisor will get the
document with all its characters and diacritics. Help!
 

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