Track Changes - too many authors

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SteveW

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

I am a professional editor and have recently purchased a Macbook and Office 2008 to do work away from my desktop Vista system running Office 2007. Since I will often edit the same document from both systems, track changes will now show my edits as two different reviewers with two different colors (this is too confusing for most authors). The user info fields are slightly different from the Mac and Windows versions and I can't seem to get them to indicate the same identity.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
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Clive Huggan

Dear Steve,

Someone who works in both platforms will be along soon to discuss the
immediate problem. However, I have a suggested solution that bypasses the
entire problem. As an intensive user of Word in developing strategic plans
and policies with many colleagues (similar amount of alteration as when
editing; probably more) I avoid Track Changes altogether while working on
the document, since it can be a significant source of document corruption.

Essentially the technique, which achieves the same end result, is to leave
the main document pristine and when required, on a Saved As copy, choose
Tools menu => Track Changes => Compare Documents.

I have written some comments about this on pages 67-71 of some notes on the
way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will", which are
available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html).

See page 170 for a discussion on minimizing document corruption.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Note: In Word 2008, which I don't use yet, some of this information may be
accessible through a different interface. If that causes problems, post back
and someone will help you further.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the Americas and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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John McGhie

Hi Steve:

Tracked Changes uses the "Logged in User ID" to recognise the user.
However, they add a tag to that to identify the computer, and another to
identify the "editing session" in which the change was made.

Without the tags, many of the extended functions available through
SharePoint would not work or be unreliable.

You can handle this two ways:

1) Either use Remote Desktop to always work on only one machine;

2) Or use VBA to make the User Name the same on both machines (since Word
2008 doesn't have any VBA, you will have to do this in Word 2007).

Clive's suggestion is by FAR the simplest and most reliable :) Make a copy
of the document, hack and chop to your heart's content without any change
tracking, then use Compare Documents to add all the changes in in a single
operation when you have finished.

Cheers


Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

I am a professional editor and have recently purchased a Macbook and Office
2008 to do work away from my desktop Vista system running Office 2007. Since I
will often edit the same document from both systems, track changes will now
show my edits as two different reviewers with two different colors (this is
too confusing for most authors). The user info fields are slightly different
from the Mac and Windows versions and I can't seem to get them to indicate the
same identity.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

--
Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP, Word and Word:Mac
Sydney, Australia. mailto:[email protected]
 
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Jeff Wiseman

John said:
Hi Steve:

Tracked Changes uses the "Logged in User ID" to recognise the
user. However, they add a tag to that to identify the
computer, and another to identify the "editing session" in
which the change was made.

Without the tags, many of the extended functions available
through SharePoint would not work or be unreliable.

You can handle this two ways:

1) Either use Remote Desktop to always work on only one
machine;

2) Or use VBA to make the User Name the same on both machines
(since Word 2008 doesn't have any VBA, you will have to do
this in Word 2007).

Clive's suggestion is by FAR the simplest and most reliable
:) Make a copy of the document, hack and chop to your
heart's content without any change tracking, then use Compare
Documents to add all the changes in in a single operation when
you have finished.


Although I've not done a lot of Compares in Mac Office, I have
done many of them in Windows XP with Word. Although I understand
the risks that John and Clive are referring to with Track
Changes, my experience with the "compare documents" function has
not been encouraging if you need absolutely correct information.
When using compare, I have experienced the following:

1) We use a LOT of tables for required performance data on
products that are being subcontracted. Tables can really choke
Compares. Frequently I have found that Word handles this by
simply marking the entire table as deleted and then inserting a
totally new table which can leave you playing "Where's Waldo" on
the single word change that you made in a single cell.

2) Compare is not 100% reliable. I frequently see underscores on
items that have actually been deleted and vice-versa.

3) Compare is not always consistent. When comparing document A to
document B, the set of changes that it shows is not always the
same as when comparing document B to document A. Some changes
will be missing from one view and others missing from the other.
As a result I am forced to do BOTH compares to try and minimize
the chances of missing a change.

4) The way Compare searchs in order to sync the two docs being
compared sometimes results in change markups that are much more
difficult to read. Track changes allow you to control the
presentation of the markup. In altering requirement documents,
sometimes you want to show how the functional essence of a series
of requirements has been changed (e.g., 2 requirements being
shown as 3 very similar requirements where conceptually you have
deleted 2 and replaced them with 3). With Compare you just get a
scambling of text alterations that more closely reflect the
parsing algorithm of the Compare function.

Again, because of my applications for Word, the caveat is that I
almost never deal with compares or track changes when using Mac
Office, but I use them significantly with Windows XP and
(currently) Word 2003.

My only solution, unfortunately, is using a string of cascaded
backups for the track changed document(s) in question
 
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John McGhie

Hi Jeff:

The Compare Documents feature has been a point of focus for MS recently, so
you will find it a lot more capable in Word 2008, and almost bullet-proof in
Word 2007.

That said, "Tables" are a pain-point, and one of the times that I tend to
save both documents as Plaint Text to perform the compare.

Compare works a LOT better in XML. In the .doc format, it's struggling a
bit because the binary format is so fragile and difficult to parse.

Users who turn on all the "Security" features in Word are intentionally
lowering the accuracy of compares and merges -- particularly if you enable
"Remove all personally identifiable information" and disallow "Embed a
random number to improve merge accuracy".

Cheers

Although I've not done a lot of Compares in Mac Office, I have
done many of them in Windows XP with Word. Although I understand
the risks that John and Clive are referring to with Track
Changes, my experience with the "compare documents" function has
not been encouraging if you need absolutely correct information.
When using compare, I have experienced the following:

1) We use a LOT of tables for required performance data on
products that are being subcontracted. Tables can really choke
Compares. Frequently I have found that Word handles this by
simply marking the entire table as deleted and then inserting a
totally new table which can leave you playing "Where's Waldo" on
the single word change that you made in a single cell.

2) Compare is not 100% reliable. I frequently see underscores on
items that have actually been deleted and vice-versa.

3) Compare is not always consistent. When comparing document A to
document B, the set of changes that it shows is not always the
same as when comparing document B to document A. Some changes
will be missing from one view and others missing from the other.
As a result I am forced to do BOTH compares to try and minimize
the chances of missing a change.

4) The way Compare searchs in order to sync the two docs being
compared sometimes results in change markups that are much more
difficult to read. Track changes allow you to control the
presentation of the markup. In altering requirement documents,
sometimes you want to show how the functional essence of a series
of requirements has been changed (e.g., 2 requirements being
shown as 3 very similar requirements where conceptually you have
deleted 2 and replaced them with 3). With Compare you just get a
scambling of text alterations that more closely reflect the
parsing algorithm of the Compare function.

Again, because of my applications for Word, the caveat is that I
almost never deal with compares or track changes when using Mac
Office, but I use them significantly with Windows XP and
(currently) Word 2003.

My only solution, unfortunately, is using a string of cascaded
backups for the track changed document(s) in question

--
Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP, Word and Word:Mac
Sydney, Australia. mailto:[email protected]
 
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Jeff Wiseman

That's great information to know.

I'm interested in the technique you use in saving docs in plain
text for comparing. That might be a useful compromise. I'm gonna
check it out.
 
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Clive Huggan

Yes, I resort to unformatted text comparison too, Jeff: Command-a,
Command-c, Command-n, then a keyboard shortcut that invokes a macro that
automates what would happen if you chose Edit menu => Paste Special =>
Unformatted.

I only bother with that when there are affected tables. I never have a
problem with the inaccuracy and unreliability you mention (albeit the
comparison is always between tow documents on the same hard drive); possibly
because I have all the security features within Word turned off, possibly
because of the way I format my documents; but who knows...

Clive
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