Transforms only work with Enterprise version of Office 2003

A

AdminKen

Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which media and
or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms for Office 2003 and
the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail, OEM, or Action Pack(which
is basically a retail version) of Office 2003 and install them using
transforms. I am not sure if it is the Key or the media that causes the
problem. Transforms apparently will only work with enterprise versions of
Office. But my problem is figuring out just what media/Key combination makes
up Enterprise.

I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with Action Pack
Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media combined with a MSDN
CD Key then it will work. This leads me to believe that the limitation is
based on the CD Key rather than the media type. OEM or regular Retail never
work. MSDN, Open license media/keys will work.

Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a chart of
this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?

What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to request
special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to work with
our Volume License keys.

Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.

In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.

1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.

2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
compile on as many computers they feel like.

The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result of
all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to set them
up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer possible.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Gerry Hickman asked:

| Hi,
|
| I don't know the exact answer, and what on earth is an "Action pack"?
|
| What I do know, from recent roll-out of Office 2003 is that the AIP
| option and the transform option appear to now be limited to "special"
| releases of Office 2003 such as Volume License option. I had to
| request special media from our Volume License supplier to get it to
| work with our Volume License keys.
|
| Personally, I think this decision is short-sighted, together with
| similar decisions across the rest of the Microsoft product line.
|
| In some ways you could argue "why give home users the option to
| customize" and use AIPs? Well in my view there's lots of reasons.
|
| 1. AIPs are better than local install source, even for home computers.
|
| 2. The home users of today are the Enterprise Admins of tomorrow, and
| Microsoft are basically locking out the learning process of the young
| hobbyists who can't afford to buy a volume license for their home
| computer. This will stifle innovation, and those guys will experiment
| with Linux instead where they are respected and allowed to install and
| compile on as many computers they feel like.
|
| The big bucks I make today providing Microsoft solutions are a result
| of all the free tools Microsoft used to provide, and being able to
| set them up at home. These new restrictions mean this is no longer
| possible.
|
| AdminKen wrote:
|
|| Does anyone know if there is some matrix or explanation of which
|| media and or CD Key combination will work with MSI/MST Transforms
|| for Office 2003 and the Office Resource Kit. You can not use retail,
|| OEM, or Action Pack(which is basically a retail version) of Office
|| 2003 and install them using transforms. I am not sure if it is the
|| Key or the media that causes the problem. Transforms apparently will
|| only work with enterprise versions of Office. But my problem is
|| figuring out just what media/Key combination makes up Enterprise.
||
|| I have noticed that if I use a Action Pack media combined with
|| Action Pack Key, transforms will not work, but a Action Pack media
|| combined with a MSDN CD Key then it will work. This leads me to
|| believe that the limitation is based on the CD Key rather than the
|| media type. OEM or regular Retail never work. MSDN, Open license
|| media/keys will work.
||
|| Obviously only certain media will work with certain CD Keys so the
|| combination of the two is important. I wish Microsoft would post a
|| chart of this on the Resource Kit web site.
 
E

Evadne Cake

Re: 2.

No, if they are smart, they will turn to Apple that has an actual future.
Click to expand...


As an MVP, Milly, isn't that tantamount to treason?! ;o) Having said that,
I've been Windows-free for 24 days and I've not gone back to my PC for
anything (save to transfer files). I don't understand what took me so long to
switch.
 

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