typesetting gallery and new Web site

[Aaron Shepard]

"A Typesetting Gallery" is now up on my Web site, with PDF samples of a
standard text that has been typeset in various programs by various
typesetters to standard specs. Now you can compare the results for
yourselves.

So far, I have samples of Word for Windows and Mac, InDesign, Ventura,
TeX, MultiAd, Canvas, and Freehand. I would love to have more, including
PageMaker, Quark, FrameMaker, and WordPerfect. Instructions and the
sample text are on the site.

The gallery is hosted on my brand new Publishing Page, with resources
for self publishing, desktop book publishing, and print on demand. Also
posted there is my article "Books, Typography, and Microsoft Word," the
short version of my ebook of the same title.

Links are appreciated, and I also hope you'll sign up for my email
bulletin for notice of changes and additions. The URL is

http://www.aaronshep.com/publishing

Aaron

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

After 30 seconds, I get a message "Connecting to site [IP address]," then
"Site found. Waiting for reply," then back to "Connecting to..." before
ultimately ending in a 404 after a minutes and a half. Sorry.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

 

[Clive Huggan]

I got through, Aaron, but what I saw was as underwhelming as your somewhat
contrived "update/s", a few weeks ago, about your earlier posts concerning
the small electronic book you have for sale.

I suppose I didn't mind seeing your original post about your book, since it
was related to Word. I'm sure everybody here welcomes tips and ideas about
Word on the Mac, but let's face it -- your subsequent posts have become
rather tiresome. The follow-up posts on your book, and this new post, are
really just advertising your commercial activity. If this gets to be a habit
with others, we'll drown in spam on this newsgroup.

And here I am, having resolved not to be curmudgeonly in 2004. Ah well,
seven days...

If anyone disagrees with me, please say so.

--Clive Huggan

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After 30 seconds, I get a message "Connecting to site [IP address]," then
"Site found. Waiting for reply," then back to "Connecting to..." before
ultimately ending in a 404 after a minutes and a half. Sorry.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"A Typesetting Gallery" is now up on my Web site, with PDF samples of a
standard text that has been typeset in various programs by various
typesetters to standard specs. Now you can compare the results for
yourselves.

So far, I have samples of Word for Windows and Mac, InDesign, Ventura,
TeX, MultiAd, Canvas, and Freehand. I would love to have more, including
PageMaker, Quark, FrameMaker, and WordPerfect. Instructions and the
sample text are on the site.

The gallery is hosted on my brand new Publishing Page, with resources
for self publishing, desktop book publishing, and print on demand. Also
posted there is my article "Books, Typography, and Microsoft Word," the
short version of my ebook of the same title.

Links are appreciated, and I also hope you'll sign up for my email
bulletin for notice of changes and additions. The URL is

http://www.aaronshep.com/publishing

Aaron

 

[Graham Mayor]

It works from here.

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E-mail (e-mail address removed)
Web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site www.mvps.org/word
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After 30 seconds, I get a message "Connecting to site [IP address],"
then "Site found. Waiting for reply," then back to "Connecting to..."
before ultimately ending in a 404 after a minutes and a half. Sorry.

"A Typesetting Gallery" is now up on my Web site, with PDF samples
of a standard text that has been typeset in various programs by
various typesetters to standard specs. Now you can compare the
results for yourselves.

So far, I have samples of Word for Windows and Mac, InDesign,
Ventura, TeX, MultiAd, Canvas, and Freehand. I would love to have
more, including PageMaker, Quark, FrameMaker, and WordPerfect.
Instructions and the sample text are on the site.

The gallery is hosted on my brand new Publishing Page, with resources
for self publishing, desktop book publishing, and print on demand.
Also posted there is my article "Books, Typography, and Microsoft
Word," the short version of my ebook of the same title.

Links are appreciated, and I also hope you'll sign up for my email
bulletin for notice of changes and additions. The URL is

http://www.aaronshep.com/publishing

Aaron

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I was prepared to be underwhelmed as well, having been notably unimpressed
with Aaron's book.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

I got through, Aaron, but what I saw was as underwhelming as your somewhat
contrived "update/s", a few weeks ago, about your earlier posts concerning
the small electronic book you have for sale.

I suppose I didn't mind seeing your original post about your book, since it
was related to Word. I'm sure everybody here welcomes tips and ideas about
Word on the Mac, but let's face it -- your subsequent posts have become
rather tiresome. The follow-up posts on your book, and this new post, are
really just advertising your commercial activity. If this gets to be a habit
with others, we'll drown in spam on this newsgroup.

And here I am, having resolved not to be curmudgeonly in 2004. Ah well,
seven days...

If anyone disagrees with me, please say so.

--Clive Huggan

===========================================================

After 30 seconds, I get a message "Connecting to site [IP address]," then
"Site found. Waiting for reply," then back to "Connecting to..." before
ultimately ending in a 404 after a minutes and a half. Sorry.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"A Typesetting Gallery" is now up on my Web site, with PDF samples of a
standard text that has been typeset in various programs by various
typesetters to standard specs. Now you can compare the results for
yourselves.

So far, I have samples of Word for Windows and Mac, InDesign, Ventura,
TeX, MultiAd, Canvas, and Freehand. I would love to have more, including
PageMaker, Quark, FrameMaker, and WordPerfect. Instructions and the
sample text are on the site.

The gallery is hosted on my brand new Publishing Page, with resources
for self publishing, desktop book publishing, and print on demand. Also
posted there is my article "Books, Typography, and Microsoft Word," the
short version of my ebook of the same title.

Links are appreciated, and I also hope you'll sign up for my email
bulletin for notice of changes and additions. The URL is

http://www.aaronshep.com/publishing

Aaron

 

[Gene van Troyer]

"A Typesetting Gallery" is now up on my Web site, with PDF samples of a
standard text that has been typeset in various programs by various
typesetters to standard specs. Now you can compare the results for
yourselves.

Yawn. What is the point? You've been hawking this stuff over on the
Publisher's Forum list, too, Aaron? Yhou are doing a disservice to print
shops everywhere, trying to convince Word users they can substitute Word for
professional layout applications, and a disservice to inexperienced Word
users who may assume that they can send their Word files to a print shop
that will either

(1) Refuse to accept them
(2) Accept them with extra fees attached to fix them

On top of this, you cross-posted to several groups.

Not so cheerfully,

Gene van Troyer

 

[John McGhie]

I take ALL my Word files to a print shop.

If they refuse to accept them, or accept them with extra fees attached, I
take my business elsewhere. With no fees attached

Sorry: Many industry professionals such as myself typeset straight out of
Word these days (for stuff that's not too typographically challenging).

It's getting an "acceptable" result cheaply and quickly that matters to me.
If I wanted it done "properly" I would hire you to do it for me

Cheers

 

[Margaret Aldis]

Hi John

Don't you think you should add just a couple of caveats here, for those that
don't know you ;-)

Expecting a Word document produced by 'your average Word user' to come out
of a print shop typeset as last seen on screen or the user's own printer
seems a bit brave to me - presupposes things about the use of fonts, list
templates, non-updating attachment to template and few other 'minor' issues
I'm sure we professionals have forgotten we ever tripped over in the past,
and design out as a matter of routine <g>.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Unless you use, as I do, an old-fashioned offset printer who will print from
camera-ready copy. <g>

 

[Robert M. Franz (RMF)]

Hi Aaron,

"A Typesetting Gallery" is now up on my Web site, with PDF samples
of a standard text that has been typeset in various programs by
various typesetters to standard specs. Now you can compare the
results for yourselves. [..]
http://www.aaronshep.com/publishing

in your ID-example, you list all kinds of formatting – but the two Word
examples look quite differently AND you don't even mention there what
you chose ...

2cents
..bob
...Word-MVP

 

[Robert M. Franz (RMF)]

Hi Suzanne,

Unless you use, as I do, an old-fashioned offset printer who will
print from camera-ready copy. <g>

just call me up the day you are sick of all that paper, we'll talk about
creating PDF files ... ;-)

Greetinx
..bob
...Word-MVP

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I have recently acquired Acrobat (well, about four months ago), and I
finally threw in the towel and bought a 913-page "PDF Bible" (with CD) so
that I can learn to do something beyond clicking the button in Word (which
has worked very nicely so far), but I haven't yet had time to start reading
it.

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Margaret:

No, I find it's best not to confuse the issue too much. Those of us who can
notice the difference can handle the issues.

Many users would not notice the difference. The print shop is there to
handle the problems: if they can't and start asking all sorts of complicated
questions, the user will walk away and find a print shop that can "just do
it."

And that's where I believe they are better off

I know: It's a philosophical question, and debate can rage forever on this
one. But Printing a document from a Word file is just not that hard
The print shop can do this! They are industry professionals -- they can fix
it up almost instantly if it won't paginate. I expect the print
professionals I work with to "join the team" -- to understand my
requirement, then go away and do what they do to make it happen.

As soon as I start to get asked for fonts and margins and colour separations
and Pantone numbers, I know that the print shop I am talking to is far more
interested in getting my money than getting the job done, and *I* walk away
too.

If I need all that stuff, I would probably NOT be using Word in the first
place, and I would probably have hired a typographic designer and a
compositor to do the job properly. Having first secured the half million
dollars budget it takes to do a print run with all of those extra bells and
whistles.

Generally, *I* want maybe 100 copies of a 500-page manual for internal use
in a customer company. I have a budget of twenty-five bucks per copy to get
this done: so as soon as the job heads north of $2,500 I head west At
that price it's cheaper to fire the job at the customer's laser printer on
the weekend and sit there loading paper until I have printed 100 originals.

The smart operators in the print industry know this. They feel it in the
core of their being

Cheers