undesirable placeholder font change

[cayce]

In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the placeholder. When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent sentences in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds to me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you make will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of text in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

 

[cayce]

No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font size of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also change to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds to me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you make will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of text in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

I'm sorry, I cannot repro this. Can you give step-by-step instructions for
what you're doing?

Start from View | Slide Master, indicate which slide master you've selected,
and go from there. Or if it's one you created or modified, walk me through
those steps also.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also change to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also change to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[cayce]

Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she added a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it affected all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also change to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right? Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[cayce]

Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She thinks
she chose the content placeholder.

I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new
placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out with
bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is there
anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out with a
first-level bullet?

In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not be
bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The last
thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them.

With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets
populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user to
edit content as we need to.

Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing
bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you
described earlier?

Thanks for the continued assistance.

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right? Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

You can remove the bullet formatting from the text in the placeholder, then
there won't be bullets when the user types on the slide.

But the text level doesn't change. (When I refer to "bulleted text level" or
"first-level bullets," I just mean the text level -- whether it's formatted
with a bullet or not.)

I don't think there's a way to remove a first-level bullet, but you CAN
position and size the text in the first level so it's the same size as the
2nd level if you want.

(Both text placeholders and content placeholders have bulleted text levels.
Think of those as just text levels that have been formatted with a bullet.
You can remove that bullet formatting if you want.)

I think the real issue here is just understanding text levels.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She thinks
she chose the content placeholder.

I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new
placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out with
bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is
there
anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out with
a
first-level bullet?

In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not be
bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The last
thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them.

With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets
populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user to
edit content as we need to.

Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing
bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you
described earlier?

Thanks for the continued assistance.

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when
she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right?
Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first
level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you
want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different
size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign
the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the
previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing
CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into
the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to
move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the
slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend
it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help
with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she
added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it
affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

:

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create
the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the
next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also
change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It
sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop
it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for
the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the
first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme
font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Kathy Jacobs]

Can I offer a different approach? Since you can add your own placeholders in
2007, why not add two content placeholders instead of one? Set the first
content placeholder to be formatted the way you want the first bullet on the
slide and the second content placeholder the way you want the rest of the
bullets. You can then turn off the bullets on whichever one doesn't need
them.

(Not sure if that is making enough sense to get my idea across. If not, post
back and I will try to create a screen recording to show you what I mean.)

--
Kathy Jacobs, Microsoft MVP OneNote and PowerPoint
Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint
Get PowerPoint and OneNote information at www.onppt.com
or on my blog, http://geekswithblogs.net/VitaminCH/Default.aspx

I believe life is meant to be lived. But:
if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we lived

Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She thinks
she chose the content placeholder.

I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new
placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out with
bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is
there
anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out with
a
first-level bullet?

In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not be
bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The last
thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them.

With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets
populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user to
edit content as we need to.

Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing
bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you
described earlier?

Thanks for the continued assistance.

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when
she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right?
Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first
level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you
want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different
size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign
the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the
previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing
CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into
the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to
move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the
slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend
it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help
with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she
added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it
affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

:

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create
the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the
next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also
change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It
sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop
it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for
the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the
first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme
font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[cayce]

ok..to confirm, we will make all necessary font sizing, bullet removal, and
indent removal changes in the placeholder. Then the users should have a clean
starting point. If I am missing something here, please reply back.

Thanks for sticking with this issue. I see these forums as a great teaching
tool.

You can remove the bullet formatting from the text in the placeholder, then
there won't be bullets when the user types on the slide.

But the text level doesn't change. (When I refer to "bulleted text level" or
"first-level bullets," I just mean the text level -- whether it's formatted
with a bullet or not.)

I don't think there's a way to remove a first-level bullet, but you CAN
position and size the text in the first level so it's the same size as the
2nd level if you want.

(Both text placeholders and content placeholders have bulleted text levels.
Think of those as just text levels that have been formatted with a bullet.
You can remove that bullet formatting if you want.)

I think the real issue here is just understanding text levels.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She thinks
she chose the content placeholder.

I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new
placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out with
bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is
there
anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out with
a
first-level bullet?

In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not be
bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The last
thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them.

With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets
populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user to
edit content as we need to.

Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing
bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you
described earlier?

Thanks for the continued assistance.

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when
she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right?
Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first
level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you
want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different
size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign
the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the
previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing
CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into
the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to
move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the
slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend
it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help
with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she
added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it
affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

:

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create
the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the
next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also
change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It
sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop
it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for
the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the
first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme
font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

Makes sense to me! In fact, I don't know why I didn't suggest it
specifically.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Can I offer a different approach? Since you can add your own placeholders
in 2007, why not add two content placeholders instead of one? Set the
first content placeholder to be formatted the way you want the first
bullet on the slide and the second content placeholder the way you want
the rest of the bullets. You can then turn off the bullets on whichever
one doesn't need them.

(Not sure if that is making enough sense to get my idea across. If not,
post back and I will try to create a screen recording to show you what I
mean.)

--
Kathy Jacobs, Microsoft MVP OneNote and PowerPoint
Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint
Get PowerPoint and OneNote information at www.onppt.com
or on my blog, http://geekswithblogs.net/VitaminCH/Default.aspx

I believe life is meant to be lived. But:
if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we
lived

Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She
thinks
she chose the content placeholder.

I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new
placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out with
bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is
there
anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out with
a
first-level bullet?

In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not
be
bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The last
thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them.

With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets
populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user
to
edit content as we need to.

Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing
bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you
described earlier?

Thanks for the continued assistance.

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when
she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right?
Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first
level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you
want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different
size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign
the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the
previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing
CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into
the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size
for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to
move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the
slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend
it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker
actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help
with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she
added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back
to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it
affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

:

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create
the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the
next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the
font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also
change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It
sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level
of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop
it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for
the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder
for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the
first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme
font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

That's exactly correct.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

ok..to confirm, we will make all necessary font sizing, bullet removal,
and
indent removal changes in the placeholder. Then the users should have a
clean
starting point. If I am missing something here, please reply back.

Thanks for sticking with this issue. I see these forums as a great
teaching
tool.

You can remove the bullet formatting from the text in the placeholder,
then
there won't be bullets when the user types on the slide.

But the text level doesn't change. (When I refer to "bulleted text level"
or
"first-level bullets," I just mean the text level -- whether it's
formatted
with a bullet or not.)

I don't think there's a way to remove a first-level bullet, but you CAN
position and size the text in the first level so it's the same size as
the
2nd level if you want.

(Both text placeholders and content placeholders have bulleted text
levels.
Think of those as just text levels that have been formatted with a
bullet.
You can remove that bullet formatting if you want.)

I think the real issue here is just understanding text levels.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She
thinks
she chose the content placeholder.

I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new
placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out
with
bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is
there
anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out
with
a
first-level bullet?

In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not
be
bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The
last
thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them.

With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets
populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user
to
edit content as we need to.

Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing
bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you
described earlier?

Thanks for the continued assistance.

:

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when
she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets,
right?
Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first
level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you
want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different
size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to
assign
the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the
previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler,
pressing
CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into
the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size
for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to
move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the
slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't
recommend
it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to
use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker
actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to
help
with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she
added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it.
She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same
non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back
to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it
affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

:

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create
the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to
the
next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the
font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also
change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It
sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change
you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level
of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to
stop
it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder
for
the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder
for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the
first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme
font.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[cayce]

Thanks. Actually, in my 1st post on this thread I mentioned a workaround
would be adding two separate placeholders. What I was struggling with was why
this was happening. I have a much clearer understanding to that now.

thanks to both of you.

Namaste

Makes sense to me! In fact, I don't know why I didn't suggest it
specifically.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Can I offer a different approach? Since you can add your own placeholders
in 2007, why not add two content placeholders instead of one? Set the
first content placeholder to be formatted the way you want the first
bullet on the slide and the second content placeholder the way you want
the rest of the bullets. You can then turn off the bullets on whichever
one doesn't need them.

(Not sure if that is making enough sense to get my idea across. If not,
post back and I will try to create a screen recording to show you what I
mean.)

--
Kathy Jacobs, Microsoft MVP OneNote and PowerPoint
Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint
Get PowerPoint and OneNote information at www.onppt.com
or on my blog, http://geekswithblogs.net/VitaminCH/Default.aspx

I believe life is meant to be lived. But:
if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we
lived

Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She
thinks
she chose the content placeholder.

I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new
placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out with
bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is
there
anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out with
a
first-level bullet?

In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not
be
bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The last
thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them.

With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets
populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user
to
edit content as we need to.

Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing
bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you
described earlier?

Thanks for the continued assistance.

:

Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when
she
"chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"?

Oh, wait, I think I know.

When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right?
Yes,
those will all change together.

See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first
level
bullets, second level, third level and so on.

See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you
want
the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different
size.
You know?

If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign
the
text to a different bullet level.

Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the
previous
level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing
CTRL
while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into
the
same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size
for
the two levels different.

She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to
move
the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the
slide,
though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend
it
if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker
actually
created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help
with
the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used:

Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she
added
a
graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She
added
the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme
font
type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft
returns.
When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back
to
change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it
affected
all
the paragraphs in the placeholder.

Does this help you?

:

Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create
the
"paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the
next
line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The
placeholder
had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the
font
size
of
paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also
change
to
that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected.

Any ideas?


:

Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It
sounds
to
me
like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you
make
will
apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level
of
text
in
the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the
placeholder.
When
making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent
sentences
in
the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop
it?

I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for
the
one
sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder
for
the
remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the
first
place.

This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme
font.

Any insight would be appreciated.