Unwanted table breaks across pages [word 2007]

[samiam]

Hi,

This issue is with Word 2007. There are several tables in my
docs that I don't want broken across pages. I deselected
"allow table to break across pages" in table properties for the
table, but it still allows the table to break across a page. I have
tried doing this with the entire table selected, doing it with
individual rows selected, tried turning on "keep with next" and
"keep lines together", (both separately and at the same time)
nothing works. I have fallen back to adding a page break
manually before the table to force the whole table to a new row,
but of course if the doc changes, then you have lots of misplaced
page breaks.

Thank you,

Scott Moore

 

[macropod]

Hi samiam,

If you format all the paragraphs for all except the last paragrphs in each cell on the last row of the table as 'keep together' AND
'keep with next', the table will stay together on the same page - provided the paragraphs preceding the table are not also formatted
this way.

Another way of achieving the effect you're after is to create a textbox and put the table in that - textboxes can only every span a
single page.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

"Keep together" has no effect in tables if "Allow rows to break across
pages" is enabled; see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/KeepTableOn1Page.htm and
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/ControlPgBrksInTables.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Hi samiam,

If you format all the paragraphs for all except the last paragrphs in each
cell on the last row of the table as 'keep together' AND 'keep with next',
the table will stay together on the same page - provided the paragraphs
preceding the table are not also formatted this way.

Another way of achieving the effect you're after is to create a textbox
and put the table in that - textboxes can only every span a single page.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

Hi,

This issue is with Word 2007. There are several tables in my
docs that I don't want broken across pages. I deselected
"allow table to break across pages" in table properties for the
table, but it still allows the table to break across a page. I have
tried doing this with the entire table selected, doing it with
individual rows selected, tried turning on "keep with next" and
"keep lines together", (both separately and at the same time)
nothing works. I have fallen back to adding a page break
manually before the table to force the whole table to a new row,
but of course if the doc changes, then you have lots of misplaced
page breaks.

Thank you,

Scott Moore

 

[macropod]

Hi Suzanne,

OK, so the OP will have to uncheck the 'Allow rows to break across pages' table option also.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

"Keep together" has no effect in tables if "Allow rows to break across
pages" is enabled; see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/KeepTableOn1Page.htm and
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/ControlPgBrksInTables.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Hi samiam,

If you format all the paragraphs for all except the last paragrphs in each
cell on the last row of the table as 'keep together' AND 'keep with next',
the table will stay together on the same page - provided the paragraphs
preceding the table are not also formatted this way.

Another way of achieving the effect you're after is to create a textbox
and put the table in that - textboxes can only every span a single page.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

Hi,

This issue is with Word 2007. There are several tables in my
docs that I don't want broken across pages. I deselected
"allow table to break across pages" in table properties for the
table, but it still allows the table to break across a page. I have
tried doing this with the entire table selected, doing it with
individual rows selected, tried turning on "keep with next" and
"keep lines together", (both separately and at the same time)
nothing works. I have fallen back to adding a page break
manually before the table to force the whole table to a new row,
but of course if the doc changes, then you have lots of misplaced
page breaks.

Thank you,

Scott Moore

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Yes, and it's far from clear (from this and his other thread) whether he has
done so or not.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Hi Suzanne,

OK, so the OP will have to uncheck the 'Allow rows to break across pages'
table option also.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

"Keep together" has no effect in tables if "Allow rows to break across
pages" is enabled; see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/KeepTableOn1Page.htm and
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/ControlPgBrksInTables.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Hi samiam,

If you format all the paragraphs for all except the last paragrphs in
each cell on the last row of the table as 'keep together' AND 'keep with
next', the table will stay together on the same page - provided the
paragraphs preceding the table are not also formatted this way.

Another way of achieving the effect you're after is to create a textbox
and put the table in that - textboxes can only every span a single page.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


Hi,

This issue is with Word 2007. There are several tables in my
docs that I don't want broken across pages. I deselected
"allow table to break across pages" in table properties for the
table, but it still allows the table to break across a page. I have
tried doing this with the entire table selected, doing it with
individual rows selected, tried turning on "keep with next" and
"keep lines together", (both separately and at the same time)
nothing works. I have fallen back to adding a page break
manually before the table to force the whole table to a new row,
but of course if the doc changes, then you have lots of misplaced
page breaks.

Thank you,

Scott Moore

 

[samiam]

Yes, and it's far from clear (from this and his other thread) whether he has
done so or not.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

Hi Suzanne,

OK, so the OP will have to uncheck the 'Allow rows to break across pages'
table option also.

"Keep together" has no effect in tables if "Allow rows to break across
pages" is enabled; see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/KeepTableOn1Page.htmand
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/ControlPgBrksInTables.htm
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
Hi samiam,
If you format all the paragraphs for all except the last paragrphs in
each cell on the last row of the table as 'keep together' AND 'keep with
next', the table will stay together on the same page - provided the
paragraphs preceding the table are not also formatted this way.
Another way of achieving the effect you're after is to create a textbox
and put the table in that - textboxes can only every span a single page.
--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]
Hi,
This issue is with Word 2007. There are several tables in my
docs that I don't want broken across pages. I deselected
"allow table to break across pages" in table properties for the
table, but it still allows the table to break across a page. I have
tried doing this with the entire table selected, doing it with
individual rows selected, tried turning on "keep with next" and
"keep lines together", (both separately and at the same time)
nothing works. I have fallen back to adding a page break
manually before the table to force the whole table to a new row,
but of course if the doc changes, then you have lots of misplaced
page breaks.
Thank you,
Scott Moore

I've done it (deselected "allow table to break across pages" in table
properties)
as stated in the original email.I've been over the resources you
mentioned and more,
it seems clear that the "allow table to break" property is supposed to
be paramount
when it comes to breaking table rows over multiple pages. The option
has no effect
in my version of word.

This is for Microsoft Word 2007 SP1 MSO. I think they broke something
in this code.

Scott

 

[macropod]

Hi samiam,

Works for me with Word 2007 SP1 - as specified. I suggest you try again - and perhaps also try 'repairing' your Word installation,
via Word Options|Resources|Run MS Diagnostics.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]

Yes, and it's far from clear (from this and his other thread) whether he has
done so or not.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

Hi Suzanne,

OK, so the OP will have to uncheck the 'Allow rows to break across pages'
table option also.

"Keep together" has no effect in tables if "Allow rows to break across
pages" is enabled; see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/KeepTableOn1Page.htmand
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/ControlPgBrksInTables.htm
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
Hi samiam,
If you format all the paragraphs for all except the last paragrphs in
each cell on the last row of the table as 'keep together' AND 'keep with
next', the table will stay together on the same page - provided the
paragraphs preceding the table are not also formatted this way.
Another way of achieving the effect you're after is to create a textbox
and put the table in that - textboxes can only every span a single page.
--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]
Hi,
This issue is with Word 2007. There are several tables in my
docs that I don't want broken across pages. I deselected
"allow table to break across pages" in table properties for the
table, but it still allows the table to break across a page. I have
tried doing this with the entire table selected, doing it with
individual rows selected, tried turning on "keep with next" and
"keep lines together", (both separately and at the same time)
nothing works. I have fallen back to adding a page break
manually before the table to force the whole table to a new row,
but of course if the doc changes, then you have lots of misplaced
page breaks.
Thank you,
Scott Moore

I've done it (deselected "allow table to break across pages" in table
properties)
as stated in the original email.I've been over the resources you
mentioned and more,
it seems clear that the "allow table to break" property is supposed to
be paramount
when it comes to breaking table rows over multiple pages. The option
has no effect
in my version of word.

This is for Microsoft Word 2007 SP1 MSO. I think they broke something
in this code.

Scott

 

[Terry Farrell]

Allow ROW to break across page.

Terry

I've done it (deselected "allow table to break across pages" in table
properties)
as stated in the original email.I've been over the resources you
mentioned and more,
it seems clear that the "allow table to break" property is supposed to
be paramount
when it comes to breaking table rows over multiple pages. The option
has no effect
in my version of word.

This is for Microsoft Word 2007 SP1 MSO. I think they broke something
in this code.

Scott

 

[samiam]

So I did a simple experiment to illustrate the issue. I take a blank
(new)
document in word. I type the lines:

one
two
three
four

I highlight them all, then perform "convert text to table", then place
several paragraph marks above the table until the table reaches the
bottom of the page. When it gets to the bottom of the page, the
behavior is that first it breaks so that "one" and "two" are left on
the first page. Adding another paragraph moves the entire table to
the next page. This "break in twos" behavior appears to simply
be because the default paragraph is set to "multiple" spacing.

The "table properties->allow row to break across pages" appears
to be set for each row individually, I noticed that setting it on one
row does not set the others. I cleared the property on first the
"one" line, then "two", "three", "four", each time checking how
the table breaks by adding and subtracting paragraphs.

There was no change in the behavior. Finally, I went back and
rechecked that the "allow row to break across pages" checkbox
was clear on each of the rows individually, and checked the
break behavior again.

Again it broke the rows across the page end without regard for
the checkbox being clear.

Thanks for the help, but I suspect this one is a true bug.

Scott

 

[Terry Farrell]

I think that you may be misunderstanding the setting. When it says 'break
rows' it means a row containing multiple lines is not broken in the middle
of the row. Only a whole Table Row (multiple lines) will move across the
page break and not part of the row leaving some of the lines on one page and
the remainder on the next.

So in your example, with only a single word in each row, the behaviour is
correct. The reason for the way it is breaking is down to Paragraph Widows
and Orphans.

Terry

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

As Terry says, the setting you are depending on affects only the text within
a given row. In order to keep the *rows* together, you have to select them
and apply the "Keep with next" property to all but the last. If you had, as
you say you have, actually read
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/KeepTableOn1Page.htm, you would have
read this; whether you would have understood it is debatable.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

 

[samiam]

So if I understand you correctly, there is no method available to keep
a
table from breaking across pages, that is, so that *all* the rows in a
table are kept together on a page?

Thanks,

Scott

 

[samiam]

As Terry says, the setting you are depending on affects only the text within
a given row. In order to keep the *rows* together, you have to select them
and apply the "Keep with next" property to all but the last. If you had, as
you say you have, actually readhttp://word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/KeepTableOn1Page.htm, you would have
read this; whether you would have understood it is debatable.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org











- Show quoted text -

I show that working, marking "keep with next" on all but the last
para in the table. I am not sure why that didn't work before,
since I tried several combinations like that. I am working both
on my home installation and my work computer, which were
different versions of office at different times. Hopefully that will
also work on my home computer.

Thanks again,

Scott