Updates for Office 2007 Beta2???

[Michael Roed]

Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to get hold of???
It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so we don't keep reporting the
same problems which are already fixed.

Thanx,
Michael

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are not a beta
tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference. Beta testers (10,000
of us selected by Microsoft) have support options, bug reporting, contact
with Engineers to repro and solve bugs, etc. As a beta user, you are given
the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible upgrade or
purchase.

As for making any new builds or patches available to the public beta users,
it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous public
betas, only one build has been made available with no updates or patches
except to their beta testers. Microsoft has not made any announcement one
way or the other as yet. If you keep watching the Office Beta site, you
will see any announcments of a publicly available new build. I doubt they
will make interim patches available ever except to the technical beta
testers.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:

| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to get
| hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so we don't
| keep reporting the same problems which are already fixed.
|
| Thanx,
| Michael

 

[Michael Roed]

Thank you for the fast reply.

Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it ourself as
we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily. We give feedback to
MS regularly so it would be nice to have some the other way too even though
we are not one of the chosen ones.
If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the "real" testers
why not make them public and get even more usable feedback? If not we will
report bugs which already might be fixed and waites MS time and our own.

One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003 makes
Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the same machine.


"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people who have
downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably lack of quality
feedback is impossible to manage.

If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the Office
2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to notify the Office
Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also, if you
wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being contacted by
Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and tracked by the beta
team to improve Office 2007 for usability and stability.

You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:

| Thank you for the fast reply.
|
| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily. We
| give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice to have some the
| other way too even though we are not one of the chosen ones.
| If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the "real"
| testers why not make them public and get even more usable feedback?
| If not we will report bugs which already might be fixed and waites MS
| time and our own.
|
| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003
| makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the
| same machine.
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
| || Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are not a
|| beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference. Beta
|| testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support options,
|| bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and solve bugs, etc.
|| As a beta user, you are given
|| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|| upgrade or purchase.
||
|| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public beta
|| users,
|| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous
|| public betas, only one build has been made available with no updates
|| or patches except to their beta testers. Microsoft has not made any
|| announcement one way or the other as yet. If you keep watching the
|| Office Beta site, you will see any announcments of a publicly
|| available new build. I doubt they will make interim patches
|| available ever except to the technical beta testers.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||
||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to get
||| hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so we don't
||| keep reporting the same problems which are already fixed.
|||
||| Thanx,
||| Michael

 

[Mikey43]

When I upgarded my Vista Beta2 to Vista RC1, there was a message on the Vista
RC1 WebPage that said I needed to install the Office 2007 tech refresh in
order to continue using Office 2007 Beta. When I try to get that tech refresh
update, I get a page that says, "You have arrived at this page because you
are not a 2007 Microsoft Office Beta release user. You must be a beta user to
access the Office Online Beta site."

HUH!?

Mike Brown
(e-mail address removed)

One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people who have
downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably lack of quality
feedback is impossible to manage.

If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the Office
2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to notify the Office
Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also, if you
wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being contacted by
Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and tracked by the beta
team to improve Office 2007 for usability and stability.

You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en


--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:

| Thank you for the fast reply.
|
| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily. We
| give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice to have some the
| other way too even though we are not one of the chosen ones.
| If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the "real"
| testers why not make them public and get even more usable feedback?
| If not we will report bugs which already might be fixed and waites MS
| time and our own.
|
| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003
| makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the
| same machine.
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
| || Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are not a
|| beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference. Beta
|| testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support options,
|| bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and solve bugs, etc.
|| As a beta user, you are given
|| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|| upgrade or purchase.
||
|| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public beta
|| users,
|| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous
|| public betas, only one build has been made available with no updates
|| or patches except to their beta testers. Microsoft has not made any
|| announcement one way or the other as yet. If you keep watching the
|| Office Beta site, you will see any announcments of a publicly
|| available new build. I doubt they will make interim patches
|| available ever except to the technical beta testers.
||
||
|| --Â
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||
||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to get
||| hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so we don't
||| keep reporting the same problems which are already fixed.
|||
||| Thanx,
||| Michael

 

[Tom Willett]

So, are you an official sanctioned beta tester, or just someone who
downloaded the program?

When I upgarded my Vista Beta2 to Vista RC1, there was a message on the
Vista
RC1 WebPage that said I needed to install the Office 2007 tech refresh in
order to continue using Office 2007 Beta. When I try to get that tech
refresh
update, I get a page that says, "You have arrived at this page because you
are not a 2007 Microsoft Office Beta release user. You must be a beta user
to
access the Office Online Beta site."

HUH!?

Mike Brown
(e-mail address removed)

One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people who have
downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably lack of quality
feedback is impossible to manage.

If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the Office
2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to notify the
Office
Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also, if you
wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being contacted by
Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and tracked by the beta
team to improve Office 2007 for usability and stability.

You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:

| Thank you for the fast reply.
|
| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily. We
| give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice to have some the
| other way too even though we are not one of the chosen ones.
| If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the "real"
| testers why not make them public and get even more usable feedback?
| If not we will report bugs which already might be fixed and waites MS
| time and our own.
|
| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003
| makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the
| same machine.
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
| || Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are not a
|| beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference. Beta
|| testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support options,
|| bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and solve bugs, etc.
|| As a beta user, you are given
|| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|| upgrade or purchase.
||
|| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public beta
|| users,
|| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous
|| public betas, only one build has been made available with no updates
|| or patches except to their beta testers. Microsoft has not made any
|| announcement one way or the other as yet. If you keep watching the
|| Office Beta site, you will see any announcments of a publicly
|| available new build. I doubt they will make interim patches
|| available ever except to the technical beta testers.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||
||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to get
||| hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so we don't
||| keep reporting the same problems which are already fixed.
|||
||| Thanx,
||| Michael

 

[Mikey43]

And what does that have to do with anything?? I have an official packet from
Microsoft with four disc in it:

1. Office Systems Programs
2. Office Servers
3. Office Groove Server
4. Office Projoect Server

Does this sound like I just "downloaded" it?

It shouldn't matter if I was a 'secret handshake' tester or a Beta User. If
the technical Refresh update needs to be installed before it will work
properly with Vista RC1, then it MUST be available to all Beta users who are
also running Vista RC1.

Mike Brown
(e-mail address removed) ([email protected])

So, are you an official sanctioned beta tester, or just someone who
downloaded the program?

When I upgarded my Vista Beta2 to Vista RC1, there was a message on the
Vista
RC1 WebPage that said I needed to install the Office 2007 tech refresh in
order to continue using Office 2007 Beta. When I try to get that tech
refresh
update, I get a page that says, "You have arrived at this page because you
are not a 2007 Microsoft Office Beta release user. You must be a beta user
to
access the Office Online Beta site."

HUH!?

Mike Brown
(e-mail address removed)

One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people who have
downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably lack of quality
feedback is impossible to manage.

If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the Office
2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to notify the
Office
Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also, if you
wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being contacted by
Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and tracked by the beta
team to improve Office 2007 for usability and stability.

You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en


--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:

| Thank you for the fast reply.
|
| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily. We
| give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice to have some the
| other way too even though we are not one of the chosen ones.
| If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the "real"
| testers why not make them public and get even more usable feedback?
| If not we will report bugs which already might be fixed and waites MS
| time and our own.
|
| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003
| makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the
| same machine.
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
| || Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are not a
|| beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference. Beta
|| testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support options,
|| bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and solve bugs, etc.
|| As a beta user, you are given
|| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|| upgrade or purchase.
||
|| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public beta
|| users,
|| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous
|| public betas, only one build has been made available with no updates
|| or patches except to their beta testers. Microsoft has not made any
|| announcement one way or the other as yet. If you keep watching the
|| Office Beta site, you will see any announcments of a publicly
|| available new build. I doubt they will make interim patches
|| available ever except to the technical beta testers.
||
||
|| --Â
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||
||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to get
||| hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so we don't
||| keep reporting the same problems which are already fixed.
|||
||| Thanx,
||| Michael

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

No, it MUST not be available to all who are using Vista RC-1. It is
entirely up to Microsoft as to whether the public at large will get the TR
or just the technical beta testers.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Mikey43 asked:

| And what does that have to do with anything?? I have an official
| packet from Microsoft with four disc in it:
|
| 1. Office Systems Programs
| 2. Office Servers
| 3. Office Groove Server
| 4. Office Projoect Server
|
| Does this sound like I just "downloaded" it?
|
| It shouldn't matter if I was a 'secret handshake' tester or a Beta
| User. If the technical Refresh update needs to be installed before it
| will work properly with Vista RC1, then it MUST be available to all
| Beta users who are also running Vista RC1.
|
| Mike Brown
| (e-mail address removed) ([email protected])
|
| "Tom Willett" wrote:
|
|| So, are you an official sanctioned beta tester, or just someone who
|| downloaded the program?
||
|| ||| When I upgarded my Vista Beta2 to Vista RC1, there was a message on
||| the Vista
||| RC1 WebPage that said I needed to install the Office 2007 tech
||| refresh in order to continue using Office 2007 Beta. When I try to
||| get that tech refresh
||| update, I get a page that says, "You have arrived at this page
||| because you are not a 2007 Microsoft Office Beta release user. You
||| must be a beta user to
||| access the Office Online Beta site."
|||
||| HUH!?
|||
||| Mike Brown
||| (e-mail address removed)
|||
|||
||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||
|||| One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people
|||| who have downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably
|||| lack of quality feedback is impossible to manage.
||||
|||| If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the
|||| Office 2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to
|||| notify the Office
|||| Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
|||| Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also,
|||| if you wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being
|||| contacted by Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and
|||| tracked by the beta team to improve Office 2007 for usability and
|||| stability.
||||
|||| You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.
||||
||||
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en
||||
||||
|||| --Â
|||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||
|||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||| without reading.
||||
|||| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||||
||||| Thank you for the fast reply.
|||||
||||| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
||||| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily.
||||| We give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice to have some
||||| the other way too even though we are not one of the chosen ones.
||||| If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the
||||| "real" testers why not make them public and get even more usable
||||| feedback? If not we will report bugs which already might be fixed
||||| and waites MS time and our own.
|||||
||||| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003
||||| makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the
||||| same machine.
|||||
|||||
||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||| <[email protected]> skrev i en
||||| meddelelse |||||| Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are
|||||| not a beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference.
|||||| Beta testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support
|||||| options, bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and
|||||| solve bugs, etc. As a beta user, you are given
|||||| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|||||| upgrade or purchase.
||||||
|||||| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public
|||||| beta users,
|||||| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous
|||||| public betas, only one build has been made available with no
|||||| updates or patches except to their beta testers. Microsoft has
|||||| not made any announcement one way or the other as yet. If you
|||||| keep watching the Office Beta site, you will see any
|||||| announcments of a publicly available new build. I doubt they
|||||| will make interim patches available ever except to the technical
|||||| beta testers.
||||||
||||||
|||||| --Â
|||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||
|||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||||| without reading.
||||||
|||||| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||||||
||||||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to
||||||| get hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so
||||||| we don't keep reporting the same problems which are already
||||||| fixed.
|||||||
||||||| Thanx,
||||||| Michael

 

[Mikey43]

It makes absolutely NO sense to make two beta programs available to the
public yet not provide the technical means to the public to allow them to
work together. I can understand letting those 'hand-picked' Beta 'Testers'
having first looks before Beta 'Users', but why, if I am Just a Beta 'User',
did I get the prompt to install the TR so that my Beta Office 2007 would
still be usable after upgrading to Vista RC1.

Milly, I didn't have a problem with not being allowed to get the tech
refresh if it is truly only available to the SPECIAL people, I had a problem
with being questioned by tom willett (whoever he is) about my status, when
the web site stated Beta User.

Thank you,
Mike

(It appears to me that Microsoft's new business plan (NOTE: without Bill) is
just a Beta.)

No, it MUST not be available to all who are using Vista RC-1. It is
entirely up to Microsoft as to whether the public at large will get the TR
or just the technical beta testers.

--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Mikey43 asked:

| And what does that have to do with anything?? I have an official
| packet from Microsoft with four disc in it:
|
| 1. Office Systems Programs
| 2. Office Servers
| 3. Office Groove Server
| 4. Office Projoect Server
|
| Does this sound like I just "downloaded" it?
|
| It shouldn't matter if I was a 'secret handshake' tester or a Beta
| User. If the technical Refresh update needs to be installed before it
| will work properly with Vista RC1, then it MUST be available to all
| Beta users who are also running Vista RC1.
|
| Mike Brown
| (e-mail address removed) ([email protected])
|
| "Tom Willett" wrote:
|
|| So, are you an official sanctioned beta tester, or just someone who
|| downloaded the program?
||
|| ||| When I upgarded my Vista Beta2 to Vista RC1, there was a message on
||| the Vista
||| RC1 WebPage that said I needed to install the Office 2007 tech
||| refresh in order to continue using Office 2007 Beta. When I try to
||| get that tech refresh
||| update, I get a page that says, "You have arrived at this page
||| because you are not a 2007 Microsoft Office Beta release user. You
||| must be a beta user to
||| access the Office Online Beta site."
|||
||| HUH!?
|||
||| Mike Brown
||| (e-mail address removed)
|||
|||
||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||
|||| One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people
|||| who have downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably
|||| lack of quality feedback is impossible to manage.
||||
|||| If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the
|||| Office 2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to
|||| notify the Office
|||| Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
|||| Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also,
|||| if you wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being
|||| contacted by Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and
|||| tracked by the beta team to improve Office 2007 for usability and
|||| stability.
||||
|||| You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.
||||
||||
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en
||||
||||
|||| --ÂÂ
|||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||
|||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||| without reading.
||||
|||| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||||
||||| Thank you for the fast reply.
|||||
||||| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
||||| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily.
||||| We give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice to have some
||||| the other way too even though we are not one of the chosen ones.
||||| If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the
||||| "real" testers why not make them public and get even more usable
||||| feedback? If not we will report bugs which already might be fixed
||||| and waites MS time and our own.
|||||
||||| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003
||||| makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the
||||| same machine.
|||||
|||||
||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||| <[email protected]> skrev i en
||||| meddelelse |||||| Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are
|||||| not a beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference.
|||||| Beta testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support
|||||| options, bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and
|||||| solve bugs, etc. As a beta user, you are given
|||||| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|||||| upgrade or purchase.
||||||
|||||| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public
|||||| beta users,
|||||| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous
|||||| public betas, only one build has been made available with no
|||||| updates or patches except to their beta testers. Microsoft has
|||||| not made any announcement one way or the other as yet. If you
|||||| keep watching the Office Beta site, you will see any
|||||| announcments of a publicly available new build. I doubt they
|||||| will make interim patches available ever except to the technical
|||||| beta testers.
||||||
||||||
|||||| --ÂÂ
|||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||
|||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||||| without reading.
||||||
|||||| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||||||
||||||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to
||||||| get hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so
||||||| we don't keep reporting the same problems which are already
||||||| fixed.
|||||||
||||||| Thanx,
||||||| Michael

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Odds are that Microsoft will release the B2TR to everyone but there is no
requirement on their part. In previous betas (CPP programs) updates were
only given to the technical beta testers and the public got the one
download/CD kit. I still have mine from Office 2000 CPP - heaven knows why
I still have it.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Mikey43 asked:

| It makes absolutely NO sense to make two beta programs available to
| the public yet not provide the technical means to the public to allow
| them to work together. I can understand letting those 'hand-picked'
| Beta 'Testers' having first looks before Beta 'Users', but why, if I
| am Just a Beta 'User', did I get the prompt to install the TR so that
| my Beta Office 2007 would still be usable after upgrading to Vista
| RC1.
|
| Milly, I didn't have a problem with not being allowed to get the tech
| refresh if it is truly only available to the SPECIAL people, I had a
| problem with being questioned by tom willett (whoever he is) about my
| status, when the web site stated Beta User.
|
| Thank you,
| Mike
|
| (It appears to me that Microsoft's new business plan (NOTE: without
| Bill) is just a Beta.)
|
|
| After stepping onto the pulpit, "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
|| No, it MUST not be available to all who are using Vista RC-1. It is
|| entirely up to Microsoft as to whether the public at large will get
|| the TR or just the technical beta testers.
||
|| --Â
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, Mikey43 asked:
||
||| And what does that have to do with anything?? I have an official
||| packet from Microsoft with four disc in it:
|||
||| 1. Office Systems Programs
||| 2. Office Servers
||| 3. Office Groove Server
||| 4. Office Projoect Server
|||
||| Does this sound like I just "downloaded" it?
|||
||| It shouldn't matter if I was a 'secret handshake' tester or a Beta
||| User. If the technical Refresh update needs to be installed before
||| it will work properly with Vista RC1, then it MUST be available to
||| all Beta users who are also running Vista RC1.
|||
||| Mike Brown
||| (e-mail address removed) ([email protected])
|||
||| "Tom Willett" wrote:
|||
|||| So, are you an official sanctioned beta tester, or just someone who
|||| downloaded the program?
||||
|||| ||||| When I upgarded my Vista Beta2 to Vista RC1, there was a message
||||| on the Vista
||||| RC1 WebPage that said I needed to install the Office 2007 tech
||||| refresh in order to continue using Office 2007 Beta. When I try to
||||| get that tech refresh
||||| update, I get a page that says, "You have arrived at this page
||||| because you are not a 2007 Microsoft Office Beta release user. You
||||| must be a beta user to
||||| access the Office Online Beta site."
|||||
||||| HUH!?
|||||
||||| Mike Brown
||||| (e-mail address removed)
|||||
|||||
||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||||
|||||| One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people
|||||| who have downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably
|||||| lack of quality feedback is impossible to manage.
||||||
|||||| If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the
|||||| Office 2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to
|||||| notify the Office
|||||| Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
|||||| Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also,
|||||| if you wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being
|||||| contacted by Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and
|||||| tracked by the beta team to improve Office 2007 for usability and
|||||| stability.
||||||
|||||| You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.
||||||
||||||
||
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en
||||||
||||||
|||||| --ÂÂ
|||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||
|||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||||| without reading.
||||||
|||||| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||||||
||||||| Thank you for the fast reply.
|||||||
||||||| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
||||||| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook
||||||| primarily. We give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice
||||||| to have some the other way too even though we are not one of
||||||| the chosen ones. If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and
||||||| give them to the "real" testers why not make them public and
||||||| get even more usable feedback? If not we will report bugs which
||||||| already might be fixed and waites MS time and our own.
|||||||
||||||| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook
||||||| 2003 makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are
||||||| installed on the same machine.
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
||||||| <[email protected]> skrev i en
||||||| meddelelse |||||||| Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are
|||||||| not a beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference.
|||||||| Beta testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support
|||||||| options, bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and
|||||||| solve bugs, etc. As a beta user, you are given
|||||||| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|||||||| upgrade or purchase.
||||||||
|||||||| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public
|||||||| beta users,
|||||||| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in
|||||||| previous public betas, only one build has been made available
|||||||| with no updates or patches except to their beta testers.
|||||||| Microsoft has not made any announcement one way or the other
|||||||| as yet. If you keep watching the Office Beta site, you will
|||||||| see any announcments of a publicly available new build. I
|||||||| doubt they will make interim patches available ever except to
|||||||| the technical beta testers.
||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| --ÂÂ
|||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||
|||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||
|||||||| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||||||||
||||||||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to
||||||||| get hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so
||||||||| we don't keep reporting the same problems which are already
||||||||| fixed.
|||||||||
||||||||| Thanx,
||||||||| Michael

 

[BryceS]

Hear hear.

I am testing Vista RC1 for possible deployment but am also not a member of
the official beta testers. The web site regarding the RC1 update just says
the the technical refresh is required for Office beta users upgrading to
Vista RC1, it makes no mention of this not being made available to the vast
majority of Vista users.

Although I agree that Microsoft can do whatever they want, it would be
apalling public relations within the technical community who may like me be
interested in deploying Vista and Office, not to allow them access to the
appropriate updates.

And what does that have to do with anything?? I have an official packet from
Microsoft with four disc in it:

1. Office Systems Programs
2. Office Servers
3. Office Groove Server
4. Office Projoect Server

Does this sound like I just "downloaded" it?

It shouldn't matter if I was a 'secret handshake' tester or a Beta User. If
the technical Refresh update needs to be installed before it will work
properly with Vista RC1, then it MUST be available to all Beta users who are
also running Vista RC1.

Mike Brown
(e-mail address removed) ([email protected])

So, are you an official sanctioned beta tester, or just someone who
downloaded the program?

When I upgarded my Vista Beta2 to Vista RC1, there was a message on the
Vista
RC1 WebPage that said I needed to install the Office 2007 tech refresh in
order to continue using Office 2007 Beta. When I try to get that tech
refresh
update, I get a page that says, "You have arrived at this page because you
are not a 2007 Microsoft Office Beta release user. You must be a beta user
to
access the Office Online Beta site."

HUH!?

Mike Brown
(e-mail address removed)


:

One reason they do not open it up to the almost 3 million people who have
downloaded it is that the sheer quantity and probably lack of quality
feedback is impossible to manage.

If/when you find a feature working/not working as expected in the Office
2007 Beta release, please use the "send a smile" link to notify the
Office
Beta team of your concern. Link is at the end of this message.
Include screenshots and comments to explain your concerns. Also, if you
wish, include your contact details if you don't mind being contacted by
Microsoft for follow-up. All "Smileys" are read and tracked by the beta
team to improve Office 2007 for usability and stability.

You can also send positive smileys as well as concerns.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...E2-BC0F-4403-B09F-7A677D55F274&displaylang=en


--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:

| Thank you for the fast reply.
|
| Well I guess we are a "beta user" then. But we use it to test it
| ourself as we are looking for new functions in Outlook primarily. We
| give feedback to MS regularly so it would be nice to have some the
| other way too even though we are not one of the chosen ones.
| If MS corrects some of the bugs in 2007 and give them to the "real"
| testers why not make them public and get even more usable feedback?
| If not we will report bugs which already might be fixed and waites MS
| time and our own.
|
| One of the big bugs in 2007 is that every update for Outlook 2003
| makes Outlook 2007 works even worse when both are installed on the
| same machine.
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
| || Are you using the Public Beta from July? If yes, then you are not a
|| beta tester, but a beta user. There is a big difference. Beta
|| testers (10,000 of us selected by Microsoft) have support options,
|| bug reporting, contact with Engineers to repro and solve bugs, etc.
|| As a beta user, you are given
|| the chance to preview the software and evaluate it for possible
|| upgrade or purchase.
||
|| As for making any new builds or patches available to the public beta
|| users,
|| it is entirely up to Microsoft to decide. Typically, in previous
|| public betas, only one build has been made available with no updates
|| or patches except to their beta testers. Microsoft has not made any
|| announcement one way or the other as yet. If you keep watching the
|| Office Beta site, you will see any announcments of a publicly
|| available new build. I doubt they will make interim patches
|| available ever except to the technical beta testers.
||
||
|| --Â
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, Michael Roed asked:
||
||| Are there any updates/patches for Beta 2 which is possible to get
||| hold of??? It would be nice for us who are testing 2007 so we don't
||| keep reporting the same problems which are already fixed.
|||
||| Thanx,
||| Michael