use both Office 2004 and Office X

[Loris]

I have just bought office 2004. do I need to uninstall office X? Can I use both
versions without problems?
I would like to start progressively ...

thanks
Loris

 

[Bob Greenblatt]

I have just bought office 2004. do I need to uninstall office X? Can I use
both
versions without problems?
I would like to start progressively ...

thanks
Loris

Unless you have a very specific need for both versions of office on the same
machine (like development backward compatibility testing) I would recommend
completely uninstalling Office X. Use the uninstall Office program on the
CD. Restart, empty the trash, then repair disk permissions, install Office
2004 restart and repair permissions again.

 

[Keith Wilson]

Unless you have a very specific need for both versions of office on the same
machine (like development backward compatibility testing) I would recommend
completely uninstalling Office X. Use the uninstall Office program on the
CD. Restart, empty the trash, then repair disk permissions, install Office
2004 restart and repair permissions again.

As I'm interested in this too, could you tell me how to "repair disk permissions"?

Thanks,

Keith Wilson

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

I still need Word for EndNote for instance (since the plug-in is not
comatible with Office 2004).
It works just fine but you have to be careful not to have the Office X
daemon running.
I deactivated it in Entourage X (you can double check that it;s not
running anymore in the Activity Monitor), quit all Office apps, check
that it was not present anymore in the startup items and you shoud be
set. Launch Entourage 2004 to activate the deamon from there and you
should have only the 2004 version running.
Actually I deleted Excel PowerPoint and Entourage X afterwards and only
kept Word and the shared items from Office X.

As I'm interested in this too, could you tell me how to "repair disk
permissions"?

Open the DiskUtility app, select your boot volume and in the First Aid
pane, click on the Repair Permissions button.



Corentin

 

[Keith Wilson]

Open the DiskUtility app, select your boot volume and in the First Aid
pane, click on the Repair Permissions button.

Thanks, Corentin.

By the way, what are 'permissions'?

Keith

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

Thanks, Corentin.

By the way, what are 'permissions'?

MacOS X inherited from UNIX a permission-based organisation. Basically,
every file or folder ont he system gets attributed a set of settings
defining who can do what whit the files. This is a very useful system
for instance when you want administrators to be able to install anything
on the system, but allow regular users to only run the apps (and not
modify the system) or have restricted users that can only run certain
applications.

The problem is that some installers (and applciations) sometimes mess up
these settings. The result is that you lose the "permission" to access a
file from your session adn the applciation behaves erradically.
Hopefully the system can look into a database (Bill Of Material) that
tells it how to repair these settings to grant you access to the files
you should be accessing for proper use of the softwares you have access
to.


Corentin

 

[Gavin Lawrie]

I'm having problems with Office 2004 recognising / using OpenType fonts
that work perfectly with Office Vx. Because of this I have to keep
Office Vx and Office 2004 on same machine - do you think that this might
have something to do with the problems with these OpenType fonts? I
can't think why / how it might - but since no one seems to know why
people are having problems with OpenType in Office 2004, maybe this
might be part of the answer?

I'm very keen to solve this - Office2004 without OpenType support is a
major backward step over Office Vx.

 

[Tim Murray]

As I'm interested in this too, could you tell me how to "repair disk
permissions"?

You run Disk Utility, in the Applications > Utilities folder. Select the
volume and click the Repair Permissions button. This is a good thing to do
periodically, and something you should do before and after installing
software or printer drivers.

 

[Loris]

Corentin,
-do you know what this daemon does?
-why and how do you deactivate this in Entourage? I have seen that in the
account preferences you can deactivate this directly in this pref panel. Is this
really the only thing you need to do to be able to use both version X and
2004?
-Entourage is the soft that I would not use in version X but rather Word. Can
I simply delete it or this would cause Office X not to work correctly?
-On Macfixit I have seen hundreds of problem reports, what is your
(anybody) experience with 2004. I have waited with the upgrade until now
hoping for a service release (not arrived yet). I am very busy, need that the
soft works as expected, but have no time for bugs that oblige me to go back
to previous verison, make me lose my work .... you see what I mean.

thanks
Loris

 

[Jim Gordon MVP]

Hi Loris,

The EndNote folks got caught with their pants down on the Windows side
when Microsoft updated Windows XP to make it more secure. EndNote
version 8 does not run at in XP with service pack 2. Consequently their
development team is trying to patch up the Windows version of EndNote 8
so that it at least runs. A friend told me that EndNote 8 also has a few
serious bugs that need fixing before it's really good enough to use.

Which means that it will probably be quite a long time before EndNote
has a product that will work with Word 2004.

Meanwhile, I've heard that Bookends works with both Word 2004 and Word
v.X. They have a free trial version here:
https://www.sonnysoftware.com/order.html

I plan to give Bookends a try next week in Word 2004 and I'm hoping that
you and others will give it a whirl and comment about this software. In
fact, that sounds like such a good idea I'll start a new thread just for
that purpose right now - but I'll make it in the Word newsgroup since
it's really just a Word product.

The daemon that you see runs the Office notifications. Office
notifications makes reminder messages if you have a calendar reminder in
Entourage, set a Task reminder, or used "Flag for Follow-up" (the red
flag on the toolbar) in Word, Excel or PowerPoint.

-Jim

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

Corentin, -do you know what this daemon does?

The daemon runs in the background to allow the Notifications (reminders
from your calendar) to pop-up when they have to for instance. You sure
don;t need the Office X one if you have Office 2004.

-why and how do you deactivate this in Entourage? I have seen that in the
account preferences you can deactivate this directly in this pref panel.
Is this really the only thing you need to do to be able to use both
version X and 2004?

The prefpane is useful too. The prefpane lists the startup items. If you
leave it there, the daemon will be launched again the next time you
startup.

-Entourage is the soft that I would not use in version X but rather Word.
Sure.

Can I simply delete it or this would cause Office X not to work correctly?
-On Macfixit I have seen hundreds of problem reports, what is your
(anybody) experience with 2004.

I've had a lot less problems in 2004 than I ever had in X... The few
limitations for me are mostly because of impossibilities to use EndNote.

I have waited with the upgrade until now hoping for a service release (not
arrived yet). I am very busy, need that the soft works as expected, but
have no time for bugs that oblige me to go back to previous verison, make
me lose my work .... you see what I mean.

Well as I was saying. I didn't have mush problem with the current
version.


Corentin