Using Mac Office to read docs created on new Office 2007

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jeff

Since the new office 2007 uses open xml formating they have sent
updates to 2003 users and a compatibility pack, has anyone seen this
for users of Mac office?
 
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John McGhie

Hi Jeff:

Not yet. They're still working on it. They hope it's less than a month
away.

Watch the actopia site: they will post it there just as soon as it is
finished.

Cheers

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Phillip Jones

That Mactopia not actopia ;-)

John said:
Hi Jeff:

Not yet. They're still working on it. They hope it's less than a month
away.

Watch the actopia site: they will post it there just as soon as it is
finished.

Cheers

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Phillip Jones

Still using the old Hunt and peck method, huh? ;-)
Don't feel bad I do and and I turned 58 yesterday :-(
Oh, well we can't be perfect all the time :-(

John said:
Giggle... 50 years development and computers STILL can't type properly :)

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JE McGimpsey

John McGhie said:
50 years development and computers STILL can't type properly :)

And my heli-car with autonavigation still hasn't arrived at my fully
automated sky-apartment with the domestic robot...

Who's responsible for that?!?!

<g>
 
K

Kurt

JE McGimpsey said:
And my heli-car with autonavigation still hasn't arrived at my fully
automated sky-apartment with the domestic robot...

Who's responsible for that?!?!

<g>

In a perfect world, MS would have stopped adding features at Word 5 and
the Word universe would be in perfect harmony.
 
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JE McGimpsey

Kurt said:
In a perfect world, MS would have stopped adding features at Word 5 and
the Word universe would be in perfect harmony.

Hmmm... I liked Word 5 at the time, but it would just barely *begin* to
be adequate for my workflow now.
 
K

Kurt

JE McGimpsey said:
Hmmm... I liked Word 5 at the time, but it would just barely *begin* to
be adequate for my workflow now.

Mine's much still the same. Bet a zillion other people feel the same way.
Don't need to use 80% of the 2004 features. You need to be a tech to
really grasp it.
 
K

Kurt

John McGhie said:
And IT couldn't type EITHER!!

I like that scene from one of the early Star Trek movies where Bones,
having traveled back in time, is trying to speak into a PC to get it to
work.
 
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John McGhie

Which is he problem they are trying to solve in Office 2007/8. Microsoft
noticed that requests were pouring in from users wanting it to add features
that were already in the product.

The whole point of the new 7/8 user interface is to make it easier for users
to find and use the existing features.

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K

Kurt

John McGhie said:
Which is he problem they are trying to solve in Office 2007/8. Microsoft
noticed that requests were pouring in from users wanting it to add features
that were already in the product.

The whole point of the new 7/8 user interface is to make it easier for users
to find and use the existing features.
Will certainly be an improvement if they can pull it off. If I want to
easily format a document, I use a program like InDesign and convert to
PDF. So much easier and intuitive.
 
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Phillip Jones

What about the scene where "Scottie" was trying to figure out what the
mouse did on s Fat Mac?
I like that scene from one of the early Star Trek movies where Bones,
having traveled back in time, is trying to speak into a PC to get it to
work.

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John McGhie

Ummm... "No" :) I strongly disagree that InDesign is "more intuitive" :)
It's a very specailist product. It may be "familiar" to YOU, but
"intuitive" it ain't.

Apple's "Pages" is "Intutive". Very limited in what you can do with it, but
very ntuitive. The ew O7 Microsoft Office user interface brings a similar
level of "discoverability" to the Microsoft Office suite.

The bottom line, of course, is that very powerful software will have a large
number of features that need a degree of industry knowledge to use. I think
you will find yourself right at home with the new Office user interface.
But now, so will a desktop publishing person, or an XML developer.

My problem with it is that it is now much more difficult for me to get
control of Word to prevent corporate users from using tools they shouldn't
:) In instances where a corporation wants a very tightly specified
resultin document oded in a specific manner, it used to be easier to lock
Wod down so that when working on that kind of document, it was not possible
to do bad things. Now, it's a lot more difficult.

For example: It's easy enough to define the corporate colour scheme and
branding into a Document Theme, which will then apply to a correctly
formatted document with a single click. You can achieve a standard
corporate look and feel across Word, Excel, and PowerPoint just by choosing
the corect Theme. It's a bit more difficult to prevent the users using any
of the other colour schemes available :)

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Daiya Mitchell

"Intuitive" just isn't a very useful word to use to describe software, I
don't think. Intuition is learned, we only think it's natural because
we aren't very good at categorizing and quantifying it.

I find most Adobe programs incomprehensible. Word is becoming intuitive
to me. What did surprise me, though--the other day I decided it was
easier to do a newsletter in the Word I know than figure out Pages,
although the newsletter was mostly text in various size columns.
 
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John McGhie

That's interesting! Intuition is *learned*? (Daiya is one who would know:
I'm asking...)

Yes, I think the world divides into "Adobe" customers and "Microsoft"
customers :) I struggle with InDesign, Acrobat, Illustrator, PhotoShop...

FrameMaker doesn't baffle me quite so much, because I happen o be an expert
in the workflow it was designed for.

But each software facotry has a set of assumptions they sometimes describe
as a "paradigm" by which they represent the concepts involved in using their
software. To attempt an outrageous over-simplification, Microsoft employs
an "Office/Desktop" metaphor, complete with filing cabinets. Adobe, I
think, uses an "Artist's Pallete" metaphor. Obbiously, I am more at home
with the former than the latter.

Cheers

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Daiya Mitchell

John said:
That's interesting! Intuition is *learned*? (Daiya is one who would know:
I'm asking...)
well, I'm not any sort of expert on it--but yes, I think so--or maybe
acquired is a better word than learned, since no one teaches intuition.
The web turns up definitions that equate to "the direct perception of
meaning or truth, without conscious reasoning"--but just because that
reasoning isn't conscious doesn't mean it isn't there, happening at a
subconscious level. So our subconscious gets trained in certain
ways--one set of training and we find Adobe intuitive, another sort of
training we find Pages intuitive. Pages may take less training than
Adobe which may take less training than Word, sure, but that doesn't
mean you don't have to know things.

For instance, for *any* software program to be intuitive, you have to
understand how to move a mouse, and that things happen when buttons are
double-clicked. That's certainly learned behavior--without that
*nothing* is intuitive. I think the stuff that follows is equally as
acquired. Same thing as these paradigms you mentioned--at a
subconscious level the brain predicts "based on the other things that I
know, if I click here, it might do what I want." If the brain guessed
right, then we call the program intuitive. Sure, it's intuitive to
*your* brain, because you are familiar with the paradigm of a filing
cabinet or an artist's palette. I guess right in Word quite a bit.

I think "discoverability", though an ugly word, is more accurate than
"intuitive" for software--the Office 2008 design is about making it
easier for the person to guess right, and to need less previous
information to base that guess on. I think Pages gets called intuitive
for that very reason--they did a good job of putting the most common
guesses right up in front, big and obvious. But occasionally I read the
Pages forums, and some of the answers are incredibly unintuitive, as bad
as Word for circuitous settings.

I think (haven't gotten around to reading it yet), that the book Blink
by Malcolm Gladwell deals with this--I don't think he calls it
intuition, but I think he tries to quantify such subconscious reasoning.

Daiya
 
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John McGhie

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