Using Microsoft Photo Editor with Windows XP Pro / Office 2003

[Peter Lynam]

I recently upgraded my PC and in the process upgraded from from Office 97 to
Office 2003.

I really miss Microsoft Photo Editor. Is there any way to install it on my
new PC (Office 2003 / Windows XP Pro)?

Appreciate any guidance.

Peter
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

What happened to Photo Editor?
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HP011454871033.aspx

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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| I recently upgraded my PC and in the process upgraded from from Office 97 to
| Office 2003.
|
| I really miss Microsoft Photo Editor. Is there any way to install it on my
| new PC (Office 2003 / Windows XP Pro)?
|
| Appreciate any guidance.
|
| Peter

 

[Herb Tyson [MVP]]

Only if you still have a copy of a version of Office that has it. If so,
then it can be reinstalled. Method would depend on which previousl version
of Office you have available. This article describes how to do it using
Office XP. As I recall, however, setup methods from Office 97 were a bit
different.

http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=298

 

[Harlan Grove]

Only if you still have a copy of a version of Office that has it.
If so, then it can be reinstalled. Method would depend on which
previousl version of Office you have available. This article
describes how to do it using Office XP. As I recall, however,
setup methods from Office 97 were a bit different.

http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=298

....

These linked instructions are OK if Office 97 wasn't fully uninstalled. If
it was, then if one wants to ensure Excel and Access 2003 work with
up-to-date DLLs and OCXs, it's safer to uninstall Office 2003, reinstall
Office 97 (none of the major apps, just Photo Editor), then reinstall Office
2003. Never a good idea to install older versions on top of newer versions.

 

[Peter Foldes]

And where did you take this brilliant move from?

 

[Harlan Grove]

Peter Foldes wrote...

And where did you take this brilliant move from? ....

I picked this up from a little company called Microsoft. Perhaps you
heard of it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290576/#XSLTH3120121123120121120120

 

[Peter Foldes]

This is what it says in the MS link that you provided
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Order of installation
If you want to install and use more than one version of Office on the same computer, you should install the earliest version first. For example, if you want to use both Office 97 and Office XP on the same computer, install Office 97 first. This step is necessary because of the way registry keys, shared programs, file extensions, and other settings are managed for each version of Office, and for the programs that are included with each version of Office.

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Then it says in there

"you should install the earliest version first. "

And you say the following below which does not make any sense because you cannot install a single function from any Office suite if you do not install the rest of the major apps Especially if you remove all reference to a Previous Office like office 2003

it's safer to uninstall Office 2003, reinstall
Office 97 (none of the major apps, just Photo Editor), then reinstall Office
2003. Never a good idea to install older versions on top of newer versions.

After removing Office 2003 and there is no reference to any office in the system , You are saying to take the Office 97 CD and install only the Photo Editor and nothing else from there. Then Re-install Office 2003.
That just does not work Harlan.

 

[Harlan Grove]

Peter Foldes wrote...
....

"you should install the earliest version first. "

And you say the following below which does not make any sense because
you cannot install a single function from any Office suite if you do
not install the rest of the major apps Especially if you remove all
reference to a Previous Office like office 2003

....

I don't have an Office 97 CD handy to test this, but it's possible to
use the Custom installation option to specify which apps to install or
not. Whenever I've installed Office (only at home), I've used Custom to
avoid installing PowerPoint. And I know it's possible to install only
Access and Excel, even in Office 97 Pro.

I've never tried to install none of the major apps, and I don't know
whether it'd work or not. If it doesn't, then the OP would need to
install the smallest of the major apps with NONE of its optional
features along with Photo Editor. Then once installed, it might be
worth checking if that app could be removed/uninstalled while leaving
Photo Editor.

After removing Office 2003 and there is no reference to any office in
the system , You are saying to take the Office 97 CD and install only
the Photo Editor and nothing else from there. Then Re-install Office
2003. That just does not work Harlan.

Office can be installed on systems on which Office has never been
installed before. And I'd bet Office 97 installation works no
differently whether or not Office 2003 is installed, uninstalled or
had never been there at all. The reverse may not be true. I suspect
Office 2003 would work differently depending on whether older versions
of Office were or weren't present. It's backwards compatibility.
Office 97 doesn't need to be forwards compatible with Office 2003.

As I said, I haven't tried installing only accessory apps from Office
97. It may be necessary to install *ONE* of the major apps along with
Photo Editor, but I'm sure it'd only require one major app at most to
be able to install Photo Editor.

And the OP would have discovered if it's not possible to install Photo
Editor only. However, that doesn't alter the underlying point that it's
BEST PRACTICE to install older versions of Office before newer
versions,
so by inference, it's safer to uninstall a newer version, install the
older version, then reinstall the newer version.

 

[Harlan Grove]

Peter Foldes wrote... ....
...

I don't have an Office 97 CD handy to test this, but it's possible to
use the Custom installation option to specify which apps to install or
not. . . .

....

Guess what? You're full of it.

Now that I've dredged up my Office 97 CD, I've tested this. It *IS* possible
to install *ONLY* Photo Editor from the Custom installation option. So I'll
stand by my slightly ammended original advice:

1. uninstall Office 2003,
2. install only Photo Editor from Office 97 (which requires using the Custom
installation option), and
3. reinstall Office 2003.

HAND

 

[Peter Foldes]

Now that I've dredged up my Office 97 CD, I've tested this. It *IS* possible

to install *ONLY* Photo Editor from the Custom installation option. So I'll

stand by my slightly ammended original advice:

Oh and now you say slightly amended original advice. Not slightly but a complete about face
Well try and install Photo Draw from your Office 97 when there is no reference to any Office suite on your system

That is what you did say in other words in your post.


And you said to remove Office 2003 and then install only the Photo editor from Office 97. And without installing anything else. It is what you said did you not? Well then try and remove Office 2003 and then when no Office on your system take your Office 97 and install only Photo Editor from there. Does it work without installing anything else? I doubt it. Read your post again.
It is possible to install Photo Draw from of 97 but you need not remove Office 2003

So I say to you Guess what? You're full of it and stick to what you said not try to amend it..

 

[Harlan Grove]

Peter Foldes wrote...

It *IS* possible to install *ONLY* Photo Editor from the Custom


Oh and now you say slightly amended original advice. Not slightly
but a complete about face Well try and install Photo Draw from
your Office 97 when there is no reference to any Office suite
on your system

That's what I did. I installed it *ALONE* on a laptop that had

*NEVER* had *ANY* version of Office installed on it before. This
particular laptop hadn't even had Works installed on it.

Also, Photo Editor wasn't checked off for installation by default
when I ran the Custom install option, so it seems it could only
have been installed by using the Custom install option, which
*DOES* allow anyone to deselect *ALL* the major apps and install
*ONLY* Photo Editor.

And you said to remove Office 2003 and then install only the Photo
editor from Office 97. And without installing anything else. . . .
Correct.

It is what you said did you not? . . .

Correct.

Uninstall Office 2003 first. Then install only Photo Editor from
Office 97, which requires using the Custom install option.

. . . Well then try and remove Office 2003 and then when no Office
on your system take your Office 97 and install only Photo Editor
from there. . . .

Granted this isn't what I did. The laptop on which I installed Photo
Editor from the Office 97 CD had never had *ANY* version of Office
installed, So, no, I didn't uninstall Office 2003 first. If
uninstalling Office 2003 doesn't actually remove all the Office 2003
dross & cruft, then, perhaps, that could cause Office 97 trouble, but
it's unlikely since older versions of softwate generally don't know
anything about newer versions.

. . . Does it work without installing anything else? . . .

Yes it does! This is why you're full of it. *YOU* haven't tested
anything. *YOU* are relying on assumptions without any basis in fact
or experience. And this is why you pathetic attempts at covering your
backside will continue to fail spectacularly.

In short words, you don't have a clue about any of this.

. . . I doubt it. . . .

Verify it for yourself. Stop relying on your inadequate knowledge.

. . . Read your post again. . . .

You need to reread the KB article to which I posted a link earlier
more than I need to reread anything I've posted.

. . . It is possible to install Photo Draw from of 97 but you
need not remove Office 2003 . . .

Perhaps not, but it's wise to do so. More specifically for Office 2003,

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828956/#XSLTH3120121123120121120120

which contains the exact wording, "If you want to install and use
more than one version of Office on the same computer, you must
install the earliest version first."

The word "must" implies that doing so would be more than just a nice
idea. It's possible when installing only Photo Editor from the Office
97 CD that the only files that would be installed would be specific
and limited to Photo Editor alone. However, I saw a few files shunted
into C:\winnt\System32 during the install, and I have little doubt the
install added entries to the Registry. Therefore, if one were foolish
enough to follow the advice you're implying, one could be overwriting
Registry entries originally pointing to newer shared DLLs with entries
pointing to older DLLs. Not all shared DLLs have the exact same
filename in all versions, so this *IS* a potential problem.

How to protect against such potential problems?

1. Uninstall Office 2003.
2. Install Photo Editor from Office 97 (using Custom installation).
3. Reinstall Office 2003.

When done, the oldest version would have been installed first and the
newer version (re)installed after it.

So I say to you Guess what? You're full of it and stick to what
you said not try to amend it..

The *ONLY* change I made was saying that the Office 97 installation
step requires using the Custom install option. Since Photo Editor
appears not be be marked for installation by default, that'd be
*NECESSARY* in order to install it.

From my original response:

"it's safer to uninstall Office 2003, reinstall Office 97 (none of
the major apps, just Photo Editor), then reinstall Office 2003."

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.office.misc/msg/9b220eb2429fce1a

From my most recent previous response:

"1. uninstall Office 2003,
2. install only Photo Editor from Office 97 (which requires using
the Custom installation option), and
3. reinstall Office 2003."

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.office.misc/msg/6eb8f9b4d4b1313a

Gosh! I used the word "reinstall" for Office 97 in the former response
but the word "install" in the latter one. Could your wee, tiny brain
have construed that to mean a complete about face?! Sadly, probably.

Or perhaps your comprehension of English is so poor that you really
can't understand that the only material difference between the two is
the addition of the bit about using Custom installation in the latter,
but that even that addition doesn't change my underlying point, it
merely adds details.

To repeat a previous theme, your pathetic attempts at covering your
backside are only reducing *YOUR* credibility. But keep on making
them. You're doing a much better job destroying your own credibility
that I am.