What program can do this?

[Kelley P]

this isn't a function I use often and I've used it on a computer with XP and
Office 2003. I now have Vista and Office Professional 2007.

I'd like to add comments, arrows, draw circles, etc onto pictures typically
from a digital camera or already scanned in and saved. Sort of what like
sports commentator do on screen to show viewers someting in detail.

I thought I had previously used Document Imaging for this in Office 2003.
Office 2007 doesn't even seem to have document imaging. I read about document
imaging on the Microsoft website and this doesn't sound like what I used.

Any suggestions? Don't need anytihg elaborate, I'm not creating
presentations or editing the photo. I need to draw, using my mouse in lieu of
a Sharpie or highlighter on a printed page and add notes.

Suggestions are greatly appreciated

Kelley P.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Kelley,

MS Office Document Imaging is included in Office 2007. As with Office 2003 it's an optional installation feature.

In the Windows Control panel Programs list locate Office 2007 and change the installed features to include MS Office Document
Imaging.

============
this isn't a function I use often and I've used it on a computer with XP and
Office 2003. I now have Vista and Office Professional 2007.

I'd like to add comments, arrows, draw circles, etc onto pictures typically
from a digital camera or already scanned in and saved. Sort of what like
sports commentator do on screen to show viewers someting in detail.

I thought I had previously used Document Imaging for this in Office 2003.
Office 2007 doesn't even seem to have document imaging. I read about document
imaging on the Microsoft website and this doesn't sound like what I used.

Any suggestions? Don't need anytihg elaborate, I'm not creating
presentations or editing the photo. I need to draw, using my mouse in lieu of
a Sharpie or highlighter on a printed page and add notes.

Suggestions are greatly appreciated

Kelley P.<<
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Kelley P]

Thank-you Bob,

I don't wish to appear as a computer dunce, but this has me stuck-could you
explain a bit further?

I open the Windows control, click All Programs, scroll down to Microsoft
Office, click that whcih open the folder to diaplsy the individual programs
(Access, Excel, Outlook, Powerpoint, Tools etc.)

Beyond that I am unsure of how to proceed with changing the installed
features. I've clicked, right clicked, etc, etc. Should I just try the CD?

 

[DL]

If you pop the Office cd in, under normal circumstances, when it opens it
should give you the option to modify

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Kelley,

Once you have gotten to the list of Installation Options (the individual Office programs, Tools and Features) Microsoft Office
Document Imaging is uder 'Office Tools'. Click on that choice and select the 'Run all from my computer' choice and click the
'continue' button and you should be on your way.

When it's installed, Microsoft Document Imaging should appear in
Start(button)=>Programs=>Microsoft Office=>Microsoft Office Tools

================
Thank-you Bob,

I don't wish to appear as a computer dunce, but this has me stuck-could you
explain a bit further?

I open the Windows control, click All Programs, scroll down to Microsoft
Office, click that whcih open the folder to diaplsy the individual programs
(Access, Excel, Outlook, Powerpoint, Tools etc.)

Beyond that I am unsure of how to proceed with changing the installed
features. I've clicked, right clicked, etc, etc. Should I just try the CD? <<
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Kelley P]

DL,

NIX on just using the CD, my Office Pro 2007 was installed at the time I
purchased the computer. I open the box that one would expect a CD and
SURPRISE! No CD is provided, I must make my own back-up CD. That seems really
stupid because I can only back-up what I have. If what I have is incomplete
or has a problem I seem doomed. Or go through something on-line.

Bob,

I'm sorry but your instructions seem to be making an assumption I've arrived
at a particular point. Maybe I'm way off the mark here. I can't get to any
list of installation options and either I'm confused or Office 2007 is

Looking at the Vista 'start' icon on the lower left corner, I left click.
Then I left click All Programs, scroll down to Microsoft Office and left
click that.

Microsoft Office folder opens and I can shoose from

Activation
Access
Excel
Outlook
Powerpoint
Publisher
Word
Tools


If I click on Tools that folder opens and my choices are
Digital Certificate
Clip Organizer
Language
Diagnostics
Picture Manager


That's it, I am really confused by your instructions. I sincerely appreciate
the input and maybe something is not here that should be. Does Digital
Imaging really come with Ofice 2007? I'm beginning to think this can't be
done.

I'm disappointed enough in Vista, then Microsoft no longer provides a CD or
a manual. How cheap can they possibly be?

Thank-you kindly for your advice and your time and I hope you are able to
clarify your opinion.

Kelley P

 

[DL]

I'm curious, presumably Office was an OEM version provided preinstalled by
your system builder, that being the case how do they expect you to create
the cd? You cannot backup the program other than by Imaging the entire
system. Nor can you add components that hav'nt been installed.

If they provided you with an Office cd case I think you should call the
system supplier and ask were the cd is, you will need it

PS Your version isnt a trial is it?
You can usually create a Vista installation / recovery cd if a recovery
partition is used in your system, and if this is the case you should do so
now!

 

[Kelley P]

DL,
Yes, my Office Professional 2007 Suite was installed as an OEM, at the time
the computer was custom built. Inside the case, more like a DVD than a CD
sleeve, it even states NO disc is provided in this package. My product key is
pasted in it, with the certificate of authenticity. The side package sleeve
gives me a web addres at Microsoft to 'acquire a back up disc'.

On the back of the package it mentions a 'medialess license'. If' I'd only
been told up front.....

I went to MIcrosoft site and paid the $9 for a disc. That's cheaper and
faster than the 'several' discs it tells me I'll need. And yes, I would have
to image the entire hard drive. At this point of frustration I think it petty
of Microsoft to not give you the darn CD. The professionals at the computer
store could have made an error, it happens and people need the CD.

The Document Imaging is not on the list of programs on the Office
Professioanl Suite empy package, I am about convinced this program no loinger
is included.

If not, does anyone ever use a program that will allow me to make comments,
draw circle or add arrows and such to photos without some overly complicated
thing?

Surely others have the need to do the same.........or am I back to printing
the picture and using a colored Sharpie?

Thanks kind folks,

Kelley P

 

[Jay Freedman]

You don't need Document Imaging to make simple edits like those. Insert the
picture into a document in either Word or PowerPoint. Both programs have tools
for drawing simple shapes, and for inserting text boxes or callouts into which
you can type text for comments.

As far as the CD is concerned: There are many (probably too many) different
licensing arrangements for Office and for Windows. Most of them come with a CD
(or are supposed to come with one, although apparently some OEM vendors shirk
their contractual obligation to include it). However, a medialess license
specifically does _not_ come with a CD -- the price is lower because of that. It
isn't a matter of Microsoft being petty, it's just a decision your OEM vendor
made and didn't explain to you.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all
may benefit.

 

[DL]

When the cd arrives you will be able to modify your Office installation to
include those components you require.

As Jay states it not MS you should direct your anger to but your OEM
supplier who failed to aquaint you with the facts - It was that OEM supplier
who chose to supply Office in that way.

 

[Kelley P]

Hello and another thank-you,

Yes, I realize I can something sort of similar in Word however I've
experienced differences between Document Imaging and Word that I don't care
much for the Word way of doing this. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

I haven't really used Power Point very much. Not everyone has Power Point,
but with the Document Imaging I could save the file as a .jpg and never have
issues e-mailing and others viewing each pic.

I've not found a way in Word to just draw a circle using the mouse. Do you
know how that is done?

I can insert text boxes but they require much more formatting such as
sizing, move to front, move with text, see through ( I don't want to cover
any portion of the pictures with the text box , I didn't think you could make
the text box see-through), etc. The picture itself also must be formatted in
various ways so the test box doesn't keep pushing it, the front/back thing,
etc etc. By the time I format the picture, insert and format an arrow, try
and circle the notable areas on the pic (if even possible), insert and format
several text boxes per pic, its just a big time trap. So many layers and if I
move things, they must be seperately opened and dealt with, just never been
productive for me.

The Document Imaging I can just whoosh a circle, write the text anywhere I
want and Bang! I'm done in 3-4 minutes per pic, rather than 20 or more. All I
have to do is size and color the text.

It's got to be quick and easy. If I can upload a digital pic, draw a quick
circle around, say a rust hole and e-mail it to my client or parts supplier
in a couple minutes then I'm in good shape.

As far as being irked at Microsoft for not supplying a CD, sure it's the OEM
computer store who didn't clarify all this. They think it's not big deal to
bring in my desktop every few months for a 'check-up' or to tweak things.
Whatever I need, they will do it for no charge for the life of it. That
sounds good in theory, but they are often 2 weeks and more backed up.

But I don't get why Microsoft would even bother selling a 'medialess'
program. My old XP and Windows computers came OEM and also included the CD in
a paper sleeve, for both the operating system and the Office suites bought
from the same local computer store. For what Microsft saved making the CD,
the large plastic DVD case certainly cost them something. The back-up CD I
ordered cost $9. By the time they make the CD, create the portion of their
website to allow me to place the order, pay someone employee to handle my
purchase and ship it, was this all REALLY worth it?

Some people's time is worth more than whatever the supposed discount at the
OEM purchase. A minor savings isn't worth it to me as my time value, if
productive, is $80 per hour. My loss on the medialess version issue is about
2 hours, by the time I looked, research, place the order, yada yada yada. The
loss on trying again to force Word to do what the Document Imaging did
quickly plus looking all over for Document Imaging and info on the Microsoft
website is now well over 3 hours.

A little paperwork and support may have saved considerable time and effort.
Especially since I still don't know what really comes with Office
Professional 2007, if Document Imaging doesn't come with it, then the whole
CD thing was a waste of time ( for now, but now is when I need to do these
pics and get them to the persons waiting for the info).

Thank-you all again and any further suggestions is still very much
appreciated.

Kelley P

 

[Jay Freedman]

For adding circles, arrows and text to a picture really quickly, have you tried
the Paint program that comes with Windows? You should find it on the Start >
Programs > Accessories menu. That program will make the additions part of the
picture file (so save the result to a new filename) which you can simply paste
into Word.

If you still want to try with Word, here are some tips to reduce your effort:

To draw a circle, click the Insert ribbon, click the Shapes button, and choose
the Oval item from the Basic Shapes group. If you want it to be circular instead
of oval, hold the Shift key while dragging to draw it.

When you draw something with a Shape, the Drawing Tools ribbon will open. While
the circle is still selected, click the Shape Fill button. If you select No
Fill, then the picture will show through (you can do this with a text box, too).
You can also click the Shape Outline button and choose the color and weight of
the circle's outline. When you get it the way you want it, right-click the
circle outline and choose Set AutoShape Defaults -- now all the shapes you draw
will have the same settings, until you change the defaults again.

When working with the drawing tools in Word, if the picture itself is in line
with text (look at the text wrapping button on the Picture Tools ribbon), then
it won't move around.

Instead of using Insert > Text Box, use one of the "callouts" on the Shapes
menu. In the menu they look like a rectangle with a tail; the tail becomes a
line pointing to the feature on the picture that you're describing, and text
goes in the box.


On the question of why there is a medialess version of Office, the answer is
that it's intended for large corporations that install hundreds or thousands of
copies on desktops, mostly remotely over a network, so shipping all those CDs
would be a needless expense. It really isn't meant for small OEM shops; your
vendor was trying to save a few bucks on the license, and probably doesn't get
many complaints about the practice. Please do let them know what you think of
their savings. At the least they could reimburse you for the money you're
sending Microsoft to get a disk that the vendor should have included to begin
with.
--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all
may benefit.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Kelley,

To add to Jay's reply.

- If you have Office installed on your PC, even a trial, and it's listed in the Programs list in the Windows Control panel you
should be able to install the Document Imaging feature as mentioned in an earler message. Office 2007 if installed correctly
doesn't install/update from the DVD/CD, it creates a folder \MSOCache and runs setup from there. A number of OEMs also provide
their software in image (copy of CD) form compressed and stored on the harddrive.

- For a number of folks having the option to download the CD, either by using the 60 day trial, or from
http://microsoft.com/office/backup is what they prefer to do, so that it travels with the PC, also because being plastic, the CD/DVD
is part of 'greening' , or they can burn their own CDs/DVDs and don't have to wait, or worry about losing their only copy or
having it crack, etc.


For annotating in Word 2007 to keep an annotation and picture together you may want to start with
Insert=>Shapes=>New Drawing Canvas
then insert your pictures and annotations in the drawing canvas they'll stay together, no matter if you're saving as .Doc or the
newer .docX. A canvas is just a 'keep these items together' work area within a document. It can be sized, copied, moved, cut and
pasted, as can the items from it, to outside the canvas.

Using the circle shape to 'draw' (holding the shift key while drawing keeps it 'round' as Jay mentioned) is simpler for some of us
whose drawing skills make us glad that coloring books had lines already drawn than trying to 'draw' a circle with a mouse <g>.

Without using a drawing canvas the default behavior for adding a shape (circle) to a picture in Word 2007 is to not be able to group
the shape and picture so that it becomes one thing and as you described, when things aren't hooked together they can be moved
unexpectedly, either by your or the person receiving it, sometimes just because they're viewing it in a different app or version
than you.

Using MS Office Powerpoint you can save an individual slide as a JPG for email, or copy and paste as a graphic into Word. MS Office
Document Imaging only saves as .TIFF or .MDI (a MS TIF derivative), but the annotations are pretty easy.

An 'advanced', free version of MS Windows Paint http://paint.net may also be helpful to you.

If you have Adobe Acrobat, or http://foxit.com editor then you can also annotate PDF files. Word 2007 can save to PDF (or you can
use one of the free print to PDF utilities to create them such as http://tinypdf.com) and even the free Adobe Reader has Annotation
tools, but they're not active if Word or mot of the print to PDF utilities created the PDF file.
=================
Hello and another thank-you,

Yes, I realize I can something sort of similar in Word however I've
experienced differences between Document Imaging and Word that I don't care
much for the Word way of doing this. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

I haven't really used Power Point very much. Not everyone has Power Point,
but with the Document Imaging I could save the file as a .jpg and never have
issues e-mailing and others viewing each pic.

I've not found a way in Word to just draw a circle using the mouse. Do you
know how that is done?

I can insert text boxes but they require much more formatting such as
sizing, move to front, move with text, see through ( I don't want to cover
any portion of the pictures with the text box , I didn't think you could make
the text box see-through), etc. The picture itself also must be formatted in
various ways so the test box doesn't keep pushing it, the front/back thing,
etc etc. By the time I format the picture, insert and format an arrow, try
and circle the notable areas on the pic (if even possible), insert and format
several text boxes per pic, its just a big time trap. So many layers and if I
move things, they must be seperately opened and dealt with, just never been
productive for me.

The Document Imaging I can just whoosh a circle, write the text anywhere I
want and Bang! I'm done in 3-4 minutes per pic, rather than 20 or more. All I
have to do is size and color the text.

It's got to be quick and easy. If I can upload a digital pic, draw a quick
circle around, say a rust hole and e-mail it to my client or parts supplier
in a couple minutes then I'm in good shape.

As far as being irked at Microsoft for not supplying a CD, sure it's the OEM
computer store who didn't clarify all this. They think it's not big deal to
bring in my desktop every few months for a 'check-up' or to tweak things.
Whatever I need, they will do it for no charge for the life of it. That
sounds good in theory, but they are often 2 weeks and more backed up.

But I don't get why Microsoft would even bother selling a 'medialess'
program. My old XP and Windows computers came OEM and also included the CD in
a paper sleeve, for both the operating system and the Office suites bought
from the same local computer store. For what Microsft saved making the CD,
the large plastic DVD case certainly cost them something. The back-up CD I
ordered cost $9. By the time they make the CD, create the portion of their
website to allow me to place the order, pay someone employee to handle my
purchase and ship it, was this all REALLY worth it?

Some people's time is worth more than whatever the supposed discount at the
OEM purchase. A minor savings isn't worth it to me as my time value, if
productive, is $80 per hour. My loss on the medialess version issue is about
2 hours, by the time I looked, research, place the order, yada yada yada. The
loss on trying again to force Word to do what the Document Imaging did
quickly plus looking all over for Document Imaging and info on the Microsoft
website is now well over 3 hours.

A little paperwork and support may have saved considerable time and effort.
Especially since I still don't know what really comes with Office
Professional 2007, if Document Imaging doesn't come with it, then the whole
CD thing was a waste of time ( for now, but now is when I need to do these
pics and get them to the persons waiting for the info).

Thank-you all again and any further suggestions is still very much
appreciated.

Kelley P >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Kelley P]

Another thanks to the replies!

Jay, It looks like I'll use your tips for doing what I need with Word, and
Bob's will help as well. I've got a deadline on this and can meet that. I can
play with Power Point at some other time.

I think Jay's on target in that the medialess install is intended for big
corporate installs, networks and such. As for being green, the big bulky DVD
case is way more waste than a CD or the little sleeve, crazy.

Bob, just to clarify I do not have a trial version. Your previous
instructions weren't enough to help me. Office is listed in the programs. How
can I install something that's already installed from itself? There is NO
document imaging program in the Office Professional 2007 Suite-really. I
appreciate your input, but I'd clearly need to walk through the steps with
more detailed help on the install from the location on my hard drive.
Although, honestly I have my doubts that what you are thinking can be done or
will fulfill my need. I will use your tips with the Word program so I can
proceed. Maybe I'll get faster with it in time!

I have learned several things from posting this problem, I'm glad I asked
the question! I sincerely thank all who have taken their valuable time and
effort to help me out.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Kelley,

You asked originally about installing the MS Office Document Imaging program you used before. It's the same in Office 2007 as in
Office 2003, but whether it meets your need only you can determine <g>

For locating and installing Microsoft Office Document Imaging for Office 2007 the steps here may help you.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HA102548791033.aspx#1

===========
Another thanks to the replies!

Jay, It looks like I'll use your tips for doing what I need with Word, and
Bob's will help as well. I've got a deadline on this and can meet that. I can
play with Power Point at some other time.

I think Jay's on target in that the medialess install is intended for big
corporate installs, networks and such. As for being green, the big bulky DVD
case is way more waste than a CD or the little sleeve, crazy.

Bob, just to clarify I do not have a trial version. Your previous
instructions weren't enough to help me. Office is listed in the programs. How
can I install something that's already installed from itself? There is NO
document imaging program in the Office Professional 2007 Suite-really. I
appreciate your input, but I'd clearly need to walk through the steps with
more detailed help on the install from the location on my hard drive.
Although, honestly I have my doubts that what you are thinking can be done or
will fulfill my need. I will use your tips with the Word program so I can
proceed. Maybe I'll get faster with it in time!

I have learned several things from posting this problem, I'm glad I asked
the question! I sincerely thank all who have taken their valuable time and
effort to help me out. <<
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Kelley P]

Hi Bob,

Yes, that was the original idea, or antoher option that would do the same
fucntions. I did finish my project and the tips you and Jay supplied di help
the process a great deal.

I did purchase the CD back-up for my Office Pro 2007 suite. Microsoft also
offers a download if you purchase the CD so I did. I took a bit over an hour
(on a fast DSL) then ran the 'set up' to add or remove options.

As more information came to me and I realized I just didn't have Document
Imaging, downloading the Office back-up proved that to be so. I added several
applications that were not installed at the OEM 'medialess' install of the
Office Suite. Why the computer store wouldn't install everything is beyond me.

So, you were right in that it should be the same as Document Imaging in
2003, but I was right in that I just didn't have it and had no way to get it
without the back-up disc or download. The instructions made it very clear,
without the actual disc or access to my 'network' I would not be able to
install other applications or reinstall the entire program.

The others were correct, this medialess version is for large corporate use
or those who can access a network server to perform any maintenance for
Office Pro 2007. I don't think this is a good option for a single desktop
user.

This has been quite helpful for me and I hope for others. Again, I thank-you
for your time-we won this one!