WHY Doesn't MS FIX Office 2007? I WANT MY OLD menus BACK

J

jpeterman

PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! PLEASE bring back the old office menu/tool bar system
back....

I run dual screens and I had Office 2003 setup perfect for dual screens,
with the tear off menus. But now.. UGH.. I can move any menu.

Office 2007 should of ship with the option to use the new UI of use the old
one. Everyone says.. give it a chance... Well I have, starting with the
beta. I have used nothing else. But today, I took it off my system, and
shall never install it again, until MS brings back the the option to use the
old interface. And I know I cant be alone on this one. I am not a MS
brasher, heck I'm a MS Partner, and everything I use is a MS product, even my
re-installed office 2003.

another few "quirks" i have with the product. I use the text formatting A
LOT when typing a document, that part should be available at all times, but
no. i have to keep selecting the home tab to get it. Big pain for me. and
I know what people will say.. its always available if you right click. but
for me when this big box pops up and obscures my text it sort of makes me
lose my train of thought, its a distraction.

When I have a spelling mistake, I normally right click the word to see the
available corrections. But in 2007 it will always first display the copy
paste box, and not the correction list, you always have to do it twice.


I dont hate evrything about office 2007, infact I love alot about it, I just
want the option to use my old menus.

John Peterman
 
T

Tim

Hey...it drives me nuts that I have to click a couple of times to see
spelling suggestions. I thought it was just me and a poor right-clicking
technique. I feel better (not much, however) to hear it's not necessarily
me.

Tim

"(e-mail address removed)"
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

Microsoft won't fix Office 2007, because, in Microsoft's opinion,
nothing is broken with the ribbon (I actually agree with that).
If you want some resemblance of the old menus in Excel, PPT and Word,
you can get a Classic UI tab with the free edition of my
RibbonCustomizer add-in (see link below).

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
***
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RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://ribboncustomizer.com
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N

Nicholas Hall

I like the ribbon, but I must agree with you about spelling mistakes.

NIK
Patrick Schmid said:
Microsoft won't fix Office 2007, because, in Microsoft's opinion, nothing
is broken with the ribbon (I actually agree with that).
If you want some resemblance of the old menus in Excel, PPT and Word, you
can get a Classic UI tab with the free edition of my RibbonCustomizer
add-in (see link below).

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://ribboncustomizer.com
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed





PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! PLEASE bring back the old office menu/tool bar system
back....

I run dual screens and I had Office 2003 setup perfect for dual screens,
with the tear off menus. But now.. UGH.. I can move any menu.

Office 2007 should of ship with the option to use the new UI of use the
old
one. Everyone says.. give it a chance... Well I have, starting with the
beta. I have used nothing else. But today, I took it off my system, and
shall never install it again, until MS brings back the the option to use
the
old interface. And I know I cant be alone on this one. I am not a MS
brasher, heck I'm a MS Partner, and everything I use is a MS product,
even my
re-installed office 2003.

another few "quirks" i have with the product. I use the text formatting
A
LOT when typing a document, that part should be available at all times,
but
no. i have to keep selecting the home tab to get it. Big pain for me.
and
I know what people will say.. its always available if you right click.
but
for me when this big box pops up and obscures my text it sort of makes me
lose my train of thought, its a distraction.

When I have a spelling mistake, I normally right click the word to see
the
available corrections. But in 2007 it will always first display the copy
paste box, and not the correction list, you always have to do it twice.


I dont hate evrything about office 2007, infact I love alot about it, I
just
want the option to use my old menus.

John Peterman
 
G

gls858

PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! PLEASE bring back the old office menu/tool bar system
back....

I run dual screens and I had Office 2003 setup perfect for dual screens,
with the tear off menus. But now.. UGH.. I can move any menu.

Office 2007 should of ship with the option to use the new UI of use the old
one. Everyone says.. give it a chance... Well I have, starting with the
beta. I have used nothing else. But today, I took it off my system, and
shall never install it again, until MS brings back the the option to use the
old interface. And I know I cant be alone on this one. I am not a MS
brasher, heck I'm a MS Partner, and everything I use is a MS product, even my
re-installed office 2003.

another few "quirks" i have with the product. I use the text formatting A
LOT when typing a document, that part should be available at all times, but
no. i have to keep selecting the home tab to get it. Big pain for me. and
I know what people will say.. its always available if you right click. but
for me when this big box pops up and obscures my text it sort of makes me
lose my train of thought, its a distraction.

When I have a spelling mistake, I normally right click the word to see the
available corrections. But in 2007 it will always first display the copy
paste box, and not the correction list, you always have to do it twice.


I dont hate evrything about office 2007, infact I love alot about it, I just
want the option to use my old menus.

John Peterman
check out the Quick access toolbar. I put the commands I use most there
and hide the ribbon. A click on any category brings the ribbon back.
Works much better than menus, you only have the commands you use on the
quick Access toolbar.

gls858
 
H

Herb Tyson [MVP]

I'm not seeing what you're seeing when I right-click a flagged spelling. The
proffered corrections appear at the top of the context menu the first time I
right click -- I don't have to do it twice.

I'm wondering if it might be a display driver issue, i.e., that Word doesn't
really know you're clicking on a misspelling until the second time you
right-click. This can happen with some display drivers (especially in
Vista).
 
F

funnybroad

I miss my ability to right-click on a folder in Outlook and do a "find..."

Now I have to remember the proper sequence to make sure I've got the folder
selected correctly, and then go to Tools / Instant Search, then click
"browse", then click "search subfolders".

And please don't respond with "you need to install desktop search". I think
it's pretty disturbing how Outlook 2007's presentations of search/find
options assumes Desktop Search (called 'Instant Search' in Outlook) is
installed.
 
J

jpeterman

I don't run vista... XP pro, no driver errors or wrong drivers.

Try this to repeat the error...

type something anything... a few lines or so, and then in the middle make a
spelling error, but don't correct it until you are done typing your sentence.

NOW go back an immediately right click the red line.. don't click on the
word or move the blinking cursor over to it. The very first right click
will give you the format text box and not the spelling suggestions. For me
it only happens when I have several lines.


AND BTW, I am not picking on word or the entire suite, its just, they claim
its better, and I find it to be a huge bottleneck for me, and they took out
all the customizations in all the products; outside 3rd party plug ins. In
the end we know why its like that... its to dummy up the product for the
masses and trim down on the overall support hours for the product in the MS
camp... less toys to tinker with = less things to mess up = less needed
support = lower support cost.

And i understand that... but I just think its going to be a big blow to MS
in the long run... but that's again just my 2 cents.


And I know Im talking to the wall, so be it. BUT THANK GOD for the new SQL
Servers!!! woo hooo :) Godsent...


JP
 
J

jpeterman

Yes I can concede that nothing is "broken" with it. I just wouldn't mind an
option to change it or have the tear-off fly-outs like I used to have. Made
things a lot easier on my side.

And I have the ribbon tool, but I hate having to go to a third party vendor
to do something that should be part of the product.

JP

Patrick Schmid said:
Microsoft won't fix Office 2007, because, in Microsoft's opinion,
nothing is broken with the ribbon (I actually agree with that).
If you want some resemblance of the old menus in Excel, PPT and Word,
you can get a Classic UI tab with the free edition of my
RibbonCustomizer add-in (see link below).

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://ribboncustomizer.com
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed





PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! PLEASE bring back the old office menu/tool bar system
back....

I run dual screens and I had Office 2003 setup perfect for dual screens,
with the tear off menus. But now.. UGH.. I can move any menu.

Office 2007 should of ship with the option to use the new UI of use the old
one. Everyone says.. give it a chance... Well I have, starting with the
beta. I have used nothing else. But today, I took it off my system, and
shall never install it again, until MS brings back the the option to use the
old interface. And I know I cant be alone on this one. I am not a MS
brasher, heck I'm a MS Partner, and everything I use is a MS product, even my
re-installed office 2003.

another few "quirks" i have with the product. I use the text formatting A
LOT when typing a document, that part should be available at all times, but
no. i have to keep selecting the home tab to get it. Big pain for me. and
I know what people will say.. its always available if you right click. but
for me when this big box pops up and obscures my text it sort of makes me
lose my train of thought, its a distraction.

When I have a spelling mistake, I normally right click the word to see the
available corrections. But in 2007 it will always first display the copy
paste box, and not the correction list, you always have to do it twice.


I dont hate evrything about office 2007, infact I love alot about it, I just
want the option to use my old menus.

John Peterman
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi J.,

I'm not clear on what dialog box you are seeing as 'format text box'. When you right click you should see the 'mini toolbar' which
has text formatting on it, then a space then the context (right click menu) and the spelling suggestions should be there, in the top
of that dialog. If not, perhaps you could post a screen shot on a web page?

If you create a new document and in Print Layout view type
=rand(1,4)
and press enter then locate the word 'galleries' in the second line and delete a letter to create a spelling error what do you get
when you right click?

What settings for Correcting spelling and grammar are turned on in Word Options=>Proofing (Alt, T, O, P)

===============
I don't run vista... XP pro, no driver errors or wrong drivers.

Try this to repeat the error...

type something anything... a few lines or so, and then in the middle make a
spelling error, but don't correct it until you are done typing your sentence.

NOW go back an immediately right click the red line.. don't click on the
word or move the blinking cursor over to it. The very first right click
will give you the format text box and not the spelling suggestions. For me
it only happens when I have several lines. >>[snip]

--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

And I have the ribbon tool, but I hate having to go to a third party
vendor
to do something that should be part of the product.
Believe me...There is not a single MVP who doesn't think the same.
Customization should have been in the product in the first place. I only
started on my add-in when it became apparent that it won't be...

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://ribboncustomizer.com
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
J

jpeterman

Ok let me try this...

First screen shot is just a normal text on a doc with 2 errors:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image1.jpg

Ok so now I highlight the first spelling error:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Then delete it.

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image3.jpg

Next I go straight to the first spelling mistake and right click:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Now I place the blinking text cursor over in the spelling mistake and right
click again...

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image5.jpg


it would seem that if you are making more than one change to a line that it
will do this. Spelling and proofing are all default settings.


Hope this helps

JP
 
H

Herb Tyson [MVP]

I'm definitely not seeing what you're seeing. I always get the list of
corrections. I recently wrote a 900+ page book using Word 2007. So, I've had
every conceivable mix of text possible on my screen, and not once has a
right-click ever failed to produce the list of corrections.

So, something is definitely out of whack with your installation. You're
seeing only the Mini Toolbar, and not the context menu. The Mini Toolbar
itself can be turned off, but I *always* see the context menu that's shown
in the lower part of your Image4.jpg screenshot. Always.

To me, this suggests some kind of corruption -- probably registry
corruption. To try to nail this down, try starting Word in safe mode (hold
down Ctrl as Word is starting, and click Yes to starting in Safe Mode).

Can you replicate that error in safe mode?

If not, then I would think that perhaps your Data key might be at fault (see
the discussion of the Data key here:
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/MissingMenusEtc.htm. You'd want to
update the registry item to 12.0, of course, but see if renaming the data
key, then restarting Word in normal mode solves this issue.

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog: http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web: http://www.herbtyson.com


"(e-mail address removed)"
Ok let me try this...

First screen shot is just a normal text on a doc with 2 errors:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image1.jpg

Ok so now I highlight the first spelling error:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Then delete it.

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image3.jpg

Next I go straight to the first spelling mistake and right click:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Now I place the blinking text cursor over in the spelling mistake and
right
click again...

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image5.jpg


it would seem that if you are making more than one change to a line that
it
will do this. Spelling and proofing are all default settings.


Hope this helps

JP





Bob Buckland ?:-) said:
Hi J.,

I'm not clear on what dialog box you are seeing as 'format text box'.
When you right click you should see the 'mini toolbar' which
has text formatting on it, then a space then the context (right click
menu) and the spelling suggestions should be there, in the top
of that dialog. If not, perhaps you could post a screen shot on a web
page?

If you create a new document and in Print Layout view type
=rand(1,4)
and press enter then locate the word 'galleries' in the second line and
delete a letter to create a spelling error what do you get
when you right click?

What settings for Correcting spelling and grammar are turned on in Word
Options=>Proofing (Alt, T, O, P)

===============
<<"(e-mail address removed)"
I don't run vista... XP pro, no driver errors or wrong drivers.

Try this to repeat the error...

type something anything... a few lines or so, and then in the middle make
a
spelling error, but don't correct it until you are done typing your
sentence.

NOW go back an immediately right click the red line.. don't click on the
word or move the blinking cursor over to it. The very first right click
will give you the format text box and not the spelling suggestions. For
me
it only happens when I have several lines. >>[snip]

--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Here is one MVP who thinks that the Ribbon is a VAST improvement for usability and discoverability. While I do have your Ribbon Toolbar Customizer application, I find I use it less and less as I use the Ribbon more.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Patrick Schmid [MVP] asked:

|| And I have the ribbon tool, but I hate having to go to a third party
|| vendor to do something that should be part of the product.
| Believe me...There is not a single MVP who doesn't think the same.
| Customization should have been in the product in the first place. I
| only started on my add-in when it became apparent that it won't be...
|
| Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
| --------------
| http://pschmid.net
| ***
| Outlook 2007 Performance Update:
| http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues:
| http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 ***
| Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
| RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://ribboncustomizer.com
| OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
| ***
| Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
P

Patrick Schmid [MVP]

I do agree totally that it is vastly better, but being able to customize
it off-the-shelf would have been a very desirable feature and not let to
third parties.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://ribboncustomizer.com
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed
 
J

jpeterman

Sorry,

after image3 it should of been..

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

I will try the safemode, but I have this install on 3 PC, work, home and my
laptop. Its the same on all three. Its not a beta.. I am not rulling out a
bad install. I will also try and get a screen movie capture.

Peace

JP

Herb Tyson said:
I'm definitely not seeing what you're seeing. I always get the list of
corrections. I recently wrote a 900+ page book using Word 2007. So, I've had
every conceivable mix of text possible on my screen, and not once has a
right-click ever failed to produce the list of corrections.

So, something is definitely out of whack with your installation. You're
seeing only the Mini Toolbar, and not the context menu. The Mini Toolbar
itself can be turned off, but I *always* see the context menu that's shown
in the lower part of your Image4.jpg screenshot. Always.

To me, this suggests some kind of corruption -- probably registry
corruption. To try to nail this down, try starting Word in safe mode (hold
down Ctrl as Word is starting, and click Yes to starting in Safe Mode).

Can you replicate that error in safe mode?

If not, then I would think that perhaps your Data key might be at fault (see
the discussion of the Data key here:
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/MissingMenusEtc.htm. You'd want to
update the registry item to 12.0, of course, but see if renaming the data
key, then restarting Word in normal mode solves this issue.

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog: http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web: http://www.herbtyson.com


"(e-mail address removed)"
Ok let me try this...

First screen shot is just a normal text on a doc with 2 errors:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image1.jpg

Ok so now I highlight the first spelling error:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Then delete it.

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image3.jpg

Next I go straight to the first spelling mistake and right click:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Now I place the blinking text cursor over in the spelling mistake and
right
click again...

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image5.jpg


it would seem that if you are making more than one change to a line that
it
will do this. Spelling and proofing are all default settings.


Hope this helps

JP





Bob Buckland ?:-) said:
Hi J.,

I'm not clear on what dialog box you are seeing as 'format text box'.
When you right click you should see the 'mini toolbar' which
has text formatting on it, then a space then the context (right click
menu) and the spelling suggestions should be there, in the top
of that dialog. If not, perhaps you could post a screen shot on a web
page?

If you create a new document and in Print Layout view type
=rand(1,4)
and press enter then locate the word 'galleries' in the second line and
delete a letter to create a spelling error what do you get
when you right click?

What settings for Correcting spelling and grammar are turned on in Word
Options=>Proofing (Alt, T, O, P)

===============
<<"(e-mail address removed)"
I don't run vista... XP pro, no driver errors or wrong drivers.

Try this to repeat the error...

type something anything... a few lines or so, and then in the middle make
a
spelling error, but don't correct it until you are done typing your
sentence.

NOW go back an immediately right click the red line.. don't click on the
word or move the blinking cursor over to it. The very first right click
will give you the format text box and not the spelling suggestions. For
me
it only happens when I have several lines. >>[snip]

--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
H

Herb Tyson [MVP]

What you're seeing in that screen shot is the Mini Toolbar fading in/out.
When you select something (sdfsd is selected here), the Mini Toolbar
automatically appears (you can make it not appear, if you like: Office -
Word Options - Popular... remove the check next to Show Mini Toolbar on
selection).

However, right-clicking on a misspelling never fails to bring up the context
menu here, which includes suggested spellings.

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog: http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web: http://www.herbtyson.com


"(e-mail address removed)"
Sorry,

after image3 it should of been..

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

I will try the safemode, but I have this install on 3 PC, work, home and
my
laptop. Its the same on all three. Its not a beta.. I am not rulling out
a
bad install. I will also try and get a screen movie capture.

Peace

JP

Herb Tyson said:
I'm definitely not seeing what you're seeing. I always get the list of
corrections. I recently wrote a 900+ page book using Word 2007. So, I've
had
every conceivable mix of text possible on my screen, and not once has a
right-click ever failed to produce the list of corrections.

So, something is definitely out of whack with your installation. You're
seeing only the Mini Toolbar, and not the context menu. The Mini Toolbar
itself can be turned off, but I *always* see the context menu that's
shown
in the lower part of your Image4.jpg screenshot. Always.

To me, this suggests some kind of corruption -- probably registry
corruption. To try to nail this down, try starting Word in safe mode
(hold
down Ctrl as Word is starting, and click Yes to starting in Safe Mode).

Can you replicate that error in safe mode?

If not, then I would think that perhaps your Data key might be at fault
(see
the discussion of the Data key here:
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/MissingMenusEtc.htm. You'd want to
update the registry item to 12.0, of course, but see if renaming the data
key, then restarting Word in normal mode solves this issue.

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog: http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web: http://www.herbtyson.com


"(e-mail address removed)"
Ok let me try this...

First screen shot is just a normal text on a doc with 2 errors:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image1.jpg

Ok so now I highlight the first spelling error:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Then delete it.

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image3.jpg

Next I go straight to the first spelling mistake and right click:

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image2.jpg

Now I place the blinking text cursor over in the spelling mistake and
right
click again...

http://www.hostshadow.com/word/Image5.jpg


it would seem that if you are making more than one change to a line
that
it
will do this. Spelling and proofing are all default settings.


Hope this helps

JP





:

Hi J.,

I'm not clear on what dialog box you are seeing as 'format text box'.
When you right click you should see the 'mini toolbar' which
has text formatting on it, then a space then the context (right click
menu) and the spelling suggestions should be there, in the top
of that dialog. If not, perhaps you could post a screen shot on a web
page?

If you create a new document and in Print Layout view type
=rand(1,4)
and press enter then locate the word 'galleries' in the second line
and
delete a letter to create a spelling error what do you get
when you right click?

What settings for Correcting spelling and grammar are turned on in
Word
Options=>Proofing (Alt, T, O, P)

===============
<<"(e-mail address removed)"
message
I don't run vista... XP pro, no driver errors or wrong drivers.

Try this to repeat the error...

type something anything... a few lines or so, and then in the middle
make
a
spelling error, but don't correct it until you are done typing your
sentence.

NOW go back an immediately right click the red line.. don't click on
the
word or move the blinking cursor over to it. The very first right
click
will give you the format text box and not the spelling suggestions.
For
me
it only happens when I have several lines. >>[snip]

--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 

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