Word 2004 Prompting to Save PDFMaker.dot...WHY?

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The Terminator

After I upgraded to Office 2004, Word 2004 occasionally prompts me to save
changes to PDFMaker.dot. What is causing that?

OS X 10.3.4
PowerBook G4 1.33
2 GB RAM
 
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Clive Huggan

Hello Arnie,

Thanks for giving your version details.

If you have Adobe Acrobat (Distiller? Reader? -- I have both in the Standard
version, and I know Adobe have changed their terminology, so I¹m not sure
which piece(s) of software this applies to), it will gratuitously create a
PDFMaker file in one of your Microsoft folders (drat ‹ should have noted the
folder; could you do a ³Find² in the Finder and let me know for future
queries on the newsgroup?). In turn, PDFMaker.dot will cause a 2-button
PDF-making toolbar to appear whenever you open Word.

If you want to keep this plug-in, I suppose you would agree to the change.
What it¹s doing, goodness only knows.

If you don¹t want to use PDFMaker (I prefer using Distiller, so I don¹t),
do a ³Find² as above and trash PDFMaker.dot.

If you want to stop the toolbars from being installed in future, you¹ll need
to download the updater for version 6.0.1 of Acrobat Standard from Adobe (if
you don¹t have this version, I¹m out of my depth.

After installing the updater, when you open Acrobat you will be told there
is a discrepancy and asked whether you want it repaired. Click ³Don¹t ask me
again² and ³No² to the repair question; then Distiller will open, but the
toolbars will stop appearing in Word.

Cheers,


Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe,
so my follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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Bill Weylock

Clive -


That dippy toolbar has been annoying me for months. I can simply delete the
..dot?

I¹ve already got 6.0.1 Standard and the lastest version of Adobe Reader
(which I rarely use for anything, just damned if I¹m not going to have
something that¹s free).

Thanks.

I love it when these beneficent organizations help me without telling me.
Since I create my PDFs from the Print dialog anyway, I can¹t imagine who
would find this thing useful.


Best,


- Bill
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur [MVP]

Bill Weylock said:
That dippy toolbar has been annoying me for months. I can simply delete the
.dot?


Yes.... It's in /Applications/Microsoft Office 2004/Office/Startup/Word
folder.

Make sure you ask Acrobat not to reinstall it next time you launch the
app.
I've already got 6.0.1 Standard and the lastest version of Adobe Reader
(which I rarely use for anything, just damned if I'm not going to have
something that's free).

BTW, you should update Acrobat to 6.0.2. It seems much better on my Mac.
I love it when these beneficent organizations help me without telling me.
Since I create my PDFs from the Print dialog anyway, I can't imagine who
would find this thing useful.


I beats me too. I deleted the toolbar almost immediately after I first
tried it. Beside that it really slows down the application launch time.

Corentin
 
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Bill Weylock

Yes.... It's in /Applications/Microsoft Office 2004/Office/Startup/Word
folder.

Make sure you ask Acrobat not to reinstall it next time you launch the
app.


BTW, you should update Acrobat to 6.0.2. It seems much better on my Mac.

I actually have 6.0.2. I figured he was mentioning the latest version, so I
jumped on the bandwagon.
I beats me too. I deleted the toolbar almost immediately after I first
tried it. Beside that it really slows down the application launch time.

Thanks. My main problem is that it takes up over 1/4² of vertical space for
no good reason.

Anyway, it is toast.
 
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Clive Huggan

Clive -


That dippy toolbar has been annoying me for months. I can simply delete the
.dot?

I¹ve already got 6.0.1 Standard and the lastest version of Adobe Reader (which
I rarely use for anything, just damned if I¹m not going to have something
that¹s free).

Thanks.

I love it when these beneficent organizations help me without telling me.
Since I create my PDFs from the Print dialog anyway, I can¹t imagine who would
find this thing useful.
Nor can anyone else! But I bet it featured heavily in their marketing of
³new features²!

I don¹t object to the option ‹ I just object to its inserting something into
Word without asking, and having such an obtuse path to removing it.

I was under the impression that the PDFs created from the Print command did
not embed fonts ‹ apparently confirmed by a post on this newsgroup in the
past 2 weeks (but if anyone can provide more information that would be
useful). And of course the PDFs created via Adobe Standard are also
smaller, especially if you choose the small file option in Distiller.

Corentin, thanks for mentioning 6.0.2 ‹ must have come out in the last
couple of weeks since I first installed Acrobat on my new OSX PowerBook.
Will install.

Cheers,

Clive
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Clive said:
On 20/7/04 11:57 PM, in article BD2272F6.19743%[email protected], "Bill

Clive -


That dippy toolbar has been annoying me for months. I can simply
delete the .dot?

I’ve already got 6.0.1 Standard and the lastest version of Adobe
Reader (which I rarely use for anything, just damned if I’m not
going to have something that’s free).

Thanks.

I love it when these beneficent organizations help me without
telling me. Since I create my PDFs from the Print dialog anyway, I
can’t imagine who would find this thing useful.


Nor can anyone else! But I bet it featured heavily in their marketing of
“new features”!

I don’t object to the option — I just object to its inserting something
into Word without asking, and having such an obtuse path to removing it.

I was under the impression that the PDFs created from the Print command
did not embed fonts — apparently confirmed by a post on this newsgroup
in the past 2 weeks (but if anyone can provide more information that
would be useful). And of course the PDFs created via Adobe Standard are
also smaller, especially if you choose the small file option in Distiller.

Corentin, thanks for mentioning 6.0.2 — must have come out in the last
couple of weeks since I first installed Acrobat on my new OSX PowerBook.
Will install.

Cheers,

Clive

To add insult to injury you also need to poke around in Acrobat preferences and turn
off the feature to add the PDFMaker thingie to Office else it might comeback on you.

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Elliott Roper

Phillip M. Jones said:
Clive Huggan wrote:

All the testing I have done shows that print to PDF does embed fonts.
You can adjust the size of PDFs in (wait for it) Colorsync! (well ok,
you only get to choose how horrible the image compression is, but that
is most of the cost in a large PDF)
Print to PDF makes poorer quality PDF than say InDesign2 PDF export,
but it is not too bad for text only stuff.

Preview is so awesomely fast in Panther, I have thrown Acrobat Reader
off my machine. Its indexed search is awesome. I have a 750 page
cryptography book I'm vainly trying to get my head round. Preview gives
me a keyword in context search result in under a second.

Getting back on topic, you *know* I hate Word help and the ghastly
'customi*z*e keyboard' panels. I made a PDF of the keyboard shortcut
list macro output to use in Preview's search. (And it's how I get round
in Bend Word... too ;-) Did I mention that I hate Word's hyperlink
bloat?
To add insult to injury you also need to poke around in Acrobat preferences and turn
off the feature to add the PDFMaker thingie to Office else it might comeback on you.

Its like impetigo.
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur [MVP]

Clive Huggan said:
I don't object to the option — I just object to its inserting something into
Word without asking, and having such an obtuse path to removing it.


:-> Yeah, I couldn't agree more...
I was under the impression that the PDFs created from the Print command did
not embed fonts — apparently confirmed by a post on this newsgroup in the
past 2 weeks (but if anyone can provide more information that would be
useful). And of course the PDFs created via Adobe Standard are also
smaller, especially if you choose the small file option in Distiller.

The System "Save as PDF" command does embed fonts. You can easily
donfirm that by opening such PDFs in Acrobat and going through the
Optimize tool. You'll be able to see what subsets of what fonts have
been embedded (and you'll have the possibility to remove them... ).

You can reduce the size of the files generated by the system by
selecting the proper Quartz filters in the Colorsync options of the
printing pane though but the fonts will still be in thefile.

Acrobat is an entirely different deal since as I mentioned, the
application can perform much heavier optimizations.

Corentin, thanks for mentioning 6.0.2 — must have come out in the last
couple of weeks since I first installed Acrobat on my new OSX PowerBook.
Will install.

Yeah, it's a much welcomed update as far as I am concerned...


Corentin
 
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JE McGimpsey

Phillip M. Jones said:
To add insult to injury you also need to poke around in Acrobat
preferences and turn off the feature to add the PDFMaker thingie to
Office else it might comeback on you.

Rather than fooling around with Acrobat's preferences (which didn't seem
to take all the time), I just put a folder in each of the Startup
folders, with the same names as the add-ins (e.g., PDFMaker.dot,
PDFMaker.xla, PDFMaker.ppa). Acrobat then can't create the add-in files.
 
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Beth Rosengard

Rather than fooling around with Acrobat's preferences (which didn't seem
to take all the time), I just put a folder in each of the Startup
folders, with the same names as the add-ins (e.g., PDFMaker.dot,
PDFMaker.xla, PDFMaker.ppa). Acrobat then can't create the add-in files.

Very clever!!!

Beth
 
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Paul Berkowitz

Very clever!!!

I'm sure JE thought this up himself, but in fact we used to used to use the
same trick in Outlook Express 5 for preventing complex HTML (and
"interactions") - OE did not have the pref options for turning complex HTML
off that Entourage has. You'd put a folder called IE 5.02 Control Library
(before OE 5 it was IE Control 3.0 Library) into the ActiveX Controls folder
in Extensions. That way the real IE 5.02 Control Library file couldn't get
made again when OE started up. If you removed just the file or the ActiveX
Controls folder they'd return.

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JE McGimpsey

Paul Berkowitz said:
I'm sure JE thought this up himself, but in fact we used to used to use the
same trick in Outlook Express 5

Yes, I did, but there's nothing new in computers - I'm sure I learned to
do something similar some time ago...
 
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Clive Huggan

Rather than fooling around with Acrobat's preferences (which didn't seem
to take all the time), I just put a folder in each of the Startup
folders, with the same names as the add-ins (e.g., PDFMaker.dot,
PDFMaker.xla, PDFMaker.ppa). Acrobat then can't create the add-in files.

Elliott, Corentin and John: Thank you for your comments -- very useful!
Even though I frequent this newsgroup a lot, I'm so often amazed at the
innovation and depth of knowledge available for the asking here.

Cheers,

Clive
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

JE said:
Rather than fooling around with Acrobat's preferences (which didn't seem
to take all the time), I just put a folder in each of the Startup
folders, with the same names as the add-ins (e.g., PDFMaker.dot,
PDFMaker.xla, PDFMaker.ppa). Acrobat then can't create the add-in files.

Sweetttttttttttt!

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The Terminator

So my question would be...is there really any need for the PDF Maker
toolbar? I have Office Std 2004 and Acrobat 6 Standard, on OS X 10.3.5. The
toolbar has never annoyed me before, but since upgrading to Office 2004, I
get that ³Save changes to PDFMaker.dot² far more frequently.
 
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The Terminator

The folder is /Applications/Microsoft Office 2004/Office/Startup, and there
are folders there for Excel, Word, and PowerPoint. The PDFMaker template
will be in those.
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

The said:
The folder is /Applications/Microsoft Office 2004/Office/Startup, and
there are folders there for Excel, Word, and PowerPoint. The PDFMaker
template will be in those.


On 7/20/04 01:42, in article
BD231813.1384%[email protected], "Clive Huggan"

(drat — should have noted the folder; could you do a “Find” in the
Finder and let me know for future queries on the newsgroup?). In
turn, PDFMaker.dot will cause a 2-button PDF-making toolbar to
appear whenever you open Word.
The proper method to permanently banish these files forever takes
adavantage of UNIX and Mac OS rule a File can not be relaced by a
folder, nor can a folder be rplaced by a file.

locate the three files related to the PDF Maker.

create three empty folders. Now copy the name of the file (one by one)
and paste the name on one of the empty folders. then move original file
to trash. then place the renamed folder in location of the original file.

Now Adobe and word can not regenerate the offending files. And you will
no longer be tortured with these good for nothing items. I would have
used stranger language describing them but I wish to continue on this
formum.
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