Word 2004 serial e-mail mail as default

[arpecaspary]

Hey everybody,

I've got the problem, that I want to sent with Word 2004 a
serial-e-mail and put mail as default. Word won't let me do this. I
have to choose Entourage. Does anybody know a work-around?

Arpe

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Nope:

Entourage contains special code to enable mail merge to email.

As far as I know, no other Mac products do (because Word mail merge relies
on MAPI, which doesn't exist on the Mac).

Cheers

Hey everybody,

I've got the problem, that I want to sent with Word 2004 a
serial-e-mail and put mail as default. Word won't let me do this. I
have to choose Entourage. Does anybody know a work-around?

Arpe

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Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

I've got the problem, that I want to sent with Word 2004 a
serial-e-mail and put mail as default. Word won't let me do this. I
have to choose Entourage. Does anybody know a work-around?

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug. There's nothing "natural" about any of this. It has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge : that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

You can download my "Sync Entourage-Address Book 2 [Panther-Tiger]" script
from

MacScripter.net <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

It's free for 14 days' use. So your can transfer all your Address Book
contacts to Entourage that way. (Or you can drag them out from Address Book
to a folder on your desktop, where they become .vcf files, then drag them
into Entourage. But do fewer than 200 at a time. This method does not offer
perfect fidelity, but is more than good enough for basic fields like name
and email address for purposes of an email merge.) Otherwise, all you need
to do is set up your email account in Tools/Accounts in Entourage. (If you
have a POP account, make sure to check the "Leave a copy of messages on the
server" in the Options tab so that you can still get your messages back in
Mail. If it's IMAP, everything will work perfectly, including these Sent
Messages: you can access them from both Mail and Entourage. In Advanced
pane, set up the proper IMAP folder locations for Sent, Deleted, Draft and
Junk messages, so you can find them there also back in Mail.)

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
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[Peter Jamieson]

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage

were some sort of bug.

FWIW, I see no such implication. The problem is not that "email [merge] to
Entourage is a bug", but that "the only way to merge to email is to
Entourage".

It has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

of course they can, but surely the point is "not everyone who uses Mac uses
Entourage; there are other e-mailers there: could the developers please
consider supporting them?"

Of course, as the number of of different e-mail APIs or approaches for
sending email increases, that becomes increasingly unlikely, but MIME
provides a pretty good basis for the encoding of the content of messages no
matter which e-mailer is used to transmit them.

Peter Jamieson

On 5/20/06 12:58 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
"(e-mail address removed)"

I've got the problem, that I want to sent with Word 2004 a
serial-e-mail and put mail as default. Word won't let me do this. I
have to choose Entourage. Does anybody know a work-around?

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug. There's nothing "natural" about any of this. It has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

You can download my "Sync Entourage-Address Book 2 [Panther-Tiger]" script
from

MacScripter.net <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

It's free for 14 days' use. So your can transfer all your Address Book
contacts to Entourage that way. (Or you can drag them out from Address
Book
to a folder on your desktop, where they become .vcf files, then drag them
into Entourage. But do fewer than 200 at a time. This method does not
offer
perfect fidelity, but is more than good enough for basic fields like name
and email address for purposes of an email merge.) Otherwise, all you need
to do is set up your email account in Tools/Accounts in Entourage. (If you
have a POP account, make sure to check the "Leave a copy of messages on
the
server" in the Options tab so that you can still get your messages back
in
Mail. If it's IMAP, everything will work perfectly, including these Sent
Messages: you can access them from both Mail and Entourage. In Advanced
pane, set up the proper IMAP folder locations for Sent, Deleted, Draft and
Junk messages, so you can find them there also back in Mail.)

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Peter:

You can't do this with MIME, you need either MAPI or ODBC.

Microsoft is in the business of selling *Microsoft* software

So we should turn this back to the developers of the "other" email products:
get off your lazy backsides and give us a mail merge that works from Word
and Excel with YOUR product.

If they got it to work from FileMaker Pro as well, I think they would get a
few sales

Cheers

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug.

FWIW, I see no such implication. The problem is not that "email [merge] to
Entourage is a bug", but that "the only way to merge to email is to
Entourage".

It has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

of course they can, but surely the point is "not everyone who uses Mac uses
Entourage; there are other e-mailers there: could the developers please
consider supporting them?"

Of course, as the number of of different e-mail APIs or approaches for
sending email increases, that becomes increasingly unlikely, but MIME
provides a pretty good basis for the encoding of the content of messages no
matter which e-mailer is used to transmit them.

Peter Jamieson

On 5/20/06 12:58 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
"(e-mail address removed)"

I've got the problem, that I want to sent with Word 2004 a
serial-e-mail and put mail as default. Word won't let me do this. I
have to choose Entourage. Does anybody know a work-around?

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug. There's nothing "natural" about any of this. It has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

You can download my "Sync Entourage-Address Book 2 [Panther-Tiger]" script
from

MacScripter.net <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

It's free for 14 days' use. So your can transfer all your Address Book
contacts to Entourage that way. (Or you can drag them out from Address
Book
to a folder on your desktop, where they become .vcf files, then drag them
into Entourage. But do fewer than 200 at a time. This method does not
offer
perfect fidelity, but is more than good enough for basic fields like name
and email address for purposes of an email merge.) Otherwise, all you need
to do is set up your email account in Tools/Accounts in Entourage. (If you
have a POP account, make sure to check the "Leave a copy of messages on
the
server" in the Options tab so that you can still get your messages back
in
Mail. If it's IMAP, everything will work perfectly, including these Sent
Messages: you can access them from both Mail and Entourage. In Advanced
pane, set up the proper IMAP folder locations for Sent, Deleted, Draft and
Junk messages, so you can find them there also back in Mail.)

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be
ignored.

PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[Peter Jamieson]

You can't do this with MIME, you need either MAPI or ODBC

Surely just MAPI?

But MAPI is not a message format, it's a set of Microsoft APIs for creating
interffacing with messaging systems, providing transports, and so on.

Once the message is created, it will be in MIME format (unless perhaps it's
plain text or in MS's old RTF format) because that is the primary standard
for rich content messaging over the Internet. So in other words, perhaps all
MS really has to do is generate those MIME format messages and people
knowledgeable with MACOSX may be able to work out how to get their favourite
e-mailer to slurp them up and send them.

Microsoft is in the business of selling *Microsoft* software

Of course. But it's the old question of whether you close up your software
and say "if you want to merge from Word to email you've really got to use
our product" or decide that you don't want people to avoid your product
because it won't interoperate with other widely used software. as per your
comment re Filemaker.

On the Windows platform, things are slightly different because Micosoft in
effect called the appropriate standardisation shots when it created MAPI. A
number of packages have supported MAPI for a long time, but even there the
business of managing different MAPI providers made it difficult for anyone
to slot their providers in instead of the Microsoft ones (although the
mechanisms seem more straightforward now), and I don't believe, for example,
that MS has up-to-date documentation on which MAPI APIs Word actually needs
to send messages, especially to merge to HTML format. And that is not so
great, because the technical purpose of MAPI is to allow interoperability.

Anyway, I doubt if anything either of us says will change reality in this
area

Peter Jamieson

Hi Peter:

You can't do this with MIME, you need either MAPI or ODBC.

Microsoft is in the business of selling *Microsoft* software

So we should turn this back to the developers of the "other" email
products:
get off your lazy backsides and give us a mail merge that works from Word
and Excel with YOUR product.

If they got it to work from FileMaker Pro as well, I think they would get
a
few sales

Cheers

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug.

FWIW, I see no such implication. The problem is not that "email [merge]
to
Entourage is a bug", but that "the only way to merge to email is to
Entourage".

It has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they
used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

of course they can, but surely the point is "not everyone who uses Mac
uses
Entourage; there are other e-mailers there: could the developers please
consider supporting them?"

Of course, as the number of of different e-mail APIs or approaches for
sending email increases, that becomes increasingly unlikely, but MIME
provides a pretty good basis for the encoding of the content of messages
no
matter which e-mailer is used to transmit them.

Peter Jamieson

On 5/20/06 12:58 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
"(e-mail address removed)"


I've got the problem, that I want to sent with Word 2004 a
serial-e-mail and put mail as default. Word won't let me do this. I
have to choose Entourage. Does anybody know a work-around?

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug. There's nothing "natural" about any of this. It
has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they
used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

You can download my "Sync Entourage-Address Book 2 [Panther-Tiger]"
script
from

MacScripter.net <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

It's free for 14 days' use. So your can transfer all your Address Book
contacts to Entourage that way. (Or you can drag them out from Address
Book
to a folder on your desktop, where they become .vcf files, then drag
them
into Entourage. But do fewer than 200 at a time. This method does not
offer
perfect fidelity, but is more than good enough for basic fields like
name
and email address for purposes of an email merge.) Otherwise, all you
need
to do is set up your email account in Tools/Accounts in Entourage. (If
you
have a POP account, make sure to check the "Leave a copy of messages on
the
server" in the Options tab so that you can still get your messages back
in
Mail. If it's IMAP, everything will work perfectly, including these Sent
Messages: you can access them from both Mail and Entourage. In Advanced
pane, set up the proper IMAP folder locations for Sent, Deleted, Draft
and
Junk messages, so you can find them there also back in Mail.)

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.

--

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me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Peter:

What you say makes perfect sense, of course, and I agree

MIME (Multipart Internet Mail Extensions) we have on the Mac. Entourage and
nearly all the other emailers on the Mac are quite fluent in MIME. (Most of
them will also support the horrible old TNEF (Transport-Neutral Email
Format) RTF-based format...)

The bit that's missing is getting Word to talk to the emailer: that's what
they need MAPI (Mail Application Program Interface) for.

But you're right: Microsoft is not going to do it for them, and the other
guys don't seem in a hurry to do it. Of course, it would help if Microsoft
would publish the APIs needed

Cheers

You can't do this with MIME, you need either MAPI or ODBC

Surely just MAPI?

But MAPI is not a message format, it's a set of Microsoft APIs for creating
interffacing with messaging systems, providing transports, and so on.

Once the message is created, it will be in MIME format (unless perhaps it's
plain text or in MS's old RTF format) because that is the primary standard
for rich content messaging over the Internet. So in other words, perhaps all
MS really has to do is generate those MIME format messages and people
knowledgeable with MACOSX may be able to work out how to get their favourite
e-mailer to slurp them up and send them.

Microsoft is in the business of selling *Microsoft* software

Of course. But it's the old question of whether you close up your software
and say "if you want to merge from Word to email you've really got to use
our product" or decide that you don't want people to avoid your product
because it won't interoperate with other widely used software. as per your
comment re Filemaker.

On the Windows platform, things are slightly different because Micosoft in
effect called the appropriate standardisation shots when it created MAPI. A
number of packages have supported MAPI for a long time, but even there the
business of managing different MAPI providers made it difficult for anyone
to slot their providers in instead of the Microsoft ones (although the
mechanisms seem more straightforward now), and I don't believe, for example,
that MS has up-to-date documentation on which MAPI APIs Word actually needs
to send messages, especially to merge to HTML format. And that is not so
great, because the technical purpose of MAPI is to allow interoperability.

Anyway, I doubt if anything either of us says will change reality in this
area

Peter Jamieson

Hi Peter:

You can't do this with MIME, you need either MAPI or ODBC.

Microsoft is in the business of selling *Microsoft* software

So we should turn this back to the developers of the "other" email
products:
get off your lazy backsides and give us a mail merge that works from Word
and Excel with YOUR product.

If they got it to work from FileMaker Pro as well, I think they would get
a
few sales

Cheers

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug.

FWIW, I see no such implication. The problem is not that "email [merge]
to
Entourage is a bug", but that "the only way to merge to email is to
Entourage".

It has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they
used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

of course they can, but surely the point is "not everyone who uses Mac
uses
Entourage; there are other e-mailers there: could the developers please
consider supporting them?"

Of course, as the number of of different e-mail APIs or approaches for
sending email increases, that becomes increasingly unlikely, but MIME
provides a pretty good basis for the encoding of the content of messages
no
matter which e-mailer is used to transmit them.

Peter Jamieson

On 5/20/06 12:58 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
"(e-mail address removed)"


I've got the problem, that I want to sent with Word 2004 a
serial-e-mail and put mail as default. Word won't let me do this. I
have to choose Entourage. Does anybody know a work-around?

Odd that you call it a "workaround", as if Word email merge to Entourage
were some sort of bug. There's nothing "natural" about any of this. It
has
been specially implement by the developers of Office. Naturally they
used
their own email program in the same Office suite to do email merge :
that's
what it's there for, and they have full access to their own software and
could make any adjustments to it they needed.

You can download my "Sync Entourage-Address Book 2 [Panther-Tiger]"
script
from

MacScripter.net <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

It's free for 14 days' use. So your can transfer all your Address Book
contacts to Entourage that way. (Or you can drag them out from Address
Book
to a folder on your desktop, where they become .vcf files, then drag
them
into Entourage. But do fewer than 200 at a time. This method does not
offer
perfect fidelity, but is more than good enough for basic fields like
name
and email address for purposes of an email merge.) Otherwise, all you
need
to do is set up your email account in Tools/Accounts in Entourage. (If
you
have a POP account, make sure to check the "Leave a copy of messages on
the
server" in the Options tab so that you can still get your messages back
in
Mail. If it's IMAP, everything will work perfectly, including these Sent
Messages: you can access them from both Mail and Entourage. In Advanced
pane, set up the proper IMAP folder locations for Sent, Deleted, Draft
and
Junk messages, so you can find them there also back in Mail.)

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.

--

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me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410