Word 98 docs created in classic cannot be read by Word 98 on Os 9.2.2

[LadyofLA]

Any suggestions? I need to transfer Word 98 docs created in classic on
a 10.2.8 system to an OS 9.2.2 system where the docs will be used with
Word 98, of course.

Thanks,

 

[Beth Rosengard]

You should have no problem reading these documents on either OS. What
exactly happens when you try? And how did you transfer the docs from one to
the other (or is it all on the same computer?)?

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[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Given that you two live in the same city, why doncha ring each other up

Chances are, the only thing wrong is that the OS 9 system can't see into the
User home directory where the OS X version of Word has saved the files.
Move the files somewhere the OS 9 system can read and they should, as Beth
says, simply open straight up.

You should have no problem reading these documents on either OS. What
exactly happens when you try? And how did you transfer the docs from one to
the other (or is it all on the same computer?)?

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[Beth Rosengard]

LA *could* be Louisiana ;-).

Beth

 

[LadyofLA]

Thanks to Beth & John. There are 2 computers, one where Word 98
documents are created in classic on an OS 10.3.9 system. When I
transfer these documents via a flash drive to an OS 9.2.2 system, Word
98 does not recognize the documents. All formatting is lost and Word
asks me to choose a format.

Thanks,
PS LA is the golder state, not Louisiana

 

[mmmmark]

Thanks to Beth & John. There are 2 computers, one where Word 98
documents are created in classic on an OS 10.3.9 system. When I
transfer these documents via a flash drive to an OS 9.2.2 system, Word
98 does not recognize the documents. All formatting is lost and Word
asks me to choose a format.

Thanks,
PS LA is the golder state, not Louisiana

From which computer did you format your flash drive? I'm wondering if this
is an issue of resource-forked files on the OS 9 system. Could this be
because they are going from HFS+ to HFS file systems?

Does anyone know if Word files have any resource fork? Do these files have
extensions or not? I believe OS9 uses the creator codes to map to apps, but
OS X does not (or at least not in the same way).

I can't connect these dots, but I AM providing more data points. ;-)

-Mark

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

From which computer did you format your flash drive? I'm wondering if this
is an issue of resource-forked files on the OS 9 system. Could this be
because they are going from HFS+ to HFS file systems?

Yes. Or, more likely, because the flash drive was actually formatted for
Windows computers.

Does anyone know if Word files have any resource fork?

Yes,

Do these files have
extensions or not? I believe OS9 uses the creator codes to map to apps, but
OS X does not (or at least not in the same way).

Word files made in Word 98 - also 2001, X and 2004 - all still have creator
codes and file types. That's not the issue. But the flash drive is probably
stripping the resource fork, since the flash drive probably was just bought
and used 'as is", ands was actually formatted for Windows computers. Both
Macs can see files on Windows-formatted drives, but the resource forks will
be gone. (Or might be seen as separate files - are there any peculiar extra
unknown files?)

I can't connect these dots, but I AM providing more data points. ;-)

So how about sending those Word docs by email to the person on the OS 9
computer? When she drags them to desktop, can she open them that way? (I.e.
forget the flash drive for now.)

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[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

From which computer did you format your flash drive? I'm wondering if this
is an issue of resource-forked files on the OS 9 system. Could this be
because they are going from HFS+ to HFS file systems?

Does anyone know if Word files have any resource fork? Do these files have
extensions or not? I believe OS9 uses the creator codes to map to apps, but
OS X does not (or at least not in the same way).

I can't connect these dots, but I AM providing more data points. ;-)

-Mark

As a rule your not supposed to format a flash drive you just plug it
in and it automatically mounts. since Mac has been able to mount PC
drives and files since OS 7.x

IF I copies files to a SanDisk flash drive (what I have) I can plug it
into a PC and as long as the files are in a format (Office for example)
both can read. The PC can download those files and read them. Now
formatting of the content may or may not be different depending upon
fonts used and whether Mac was set to 72 or 96dpi the line spacing and
breaks may be off. This works either direction.

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[LadyofLA]

Yes, the resource forks appear to have been stripped off and appear as
separate files. I expect that the flash drive was not formatted ie.
"Windows".
Thanks

 

[LadyofLA]

Thanks, Paul. I am sure that emailing would work. My solution was to
transfer via IP file sharing. Though this accomplished the objective, I
wanted to know why the flash drive transfer would not work. You
provided the answer.

 

[Beth Rosengard]

The golder state??

Beth

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

I'm glad the explanation turned out to be correct.

However, ever since Word 98/97, the file format for Word files has been the
same on Windows and Mac (also true for Word 6/95, but that was a different
format). And Word docs made on Windows do not, naturally enough, have Mac
resource forks. They are not actually necessary, on Word 98 or any other Mac
Word version, except for identifying the file as belonging to Word, on the
Mac. And even then, on all Mac OS versions since "File Exchange" control
panel was introduced on the old OS, which would have been OS 8 or 8.5,
having a .doc extension is good enough - the creator type and file type is
not actually needed if .doc extension is there.

More recent Word versions (2004 for sure, but I think also X and even 2001)
offer to add the .doc extension when you make a new file (just check the box
"Append file extension" and it sticks for future saves). Quite possibly that
checkbox does not exist in Word 98 - it's way too far back for me to
remember - but check to make sure.

But if either the person on the OS X computer with Classic, or the person on
the OS 9 computer getting the file, manually adds the .doc extension, I
really think that Word 98 should recognize it as a Word doc, even without a
resource fork or creator/file codes, and will open it. On the OS 9 computer,
check File Exchange control panel to make sure that ,doc is listed as
belonging to Microsoft Word. Unless someone removed that setting it should
be there, and then things should work, even using the flash drive.

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[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Paul's quite correct (wherever you live ... )

The presence or absence of resource forks is unlikely to be the problem.
All my flash drives are formatted for Windows (they have to be, Windows
can't read them otherwise...) and they all transport Word documents to the
Mac without a problem.

Yes, the files should have the .doc extension: you can set Word up to append
this automatically: next time you save something, check the "Always add
extension" box.

However, that still isn't your problem, because Word uses the creator code
(on both Mac and Windows) to correctly identify the file content regardless.

I am wondering whether the old "Recover Text from Any File" setting or the
"Confirm Conversions on Open" setting has been left active. Next time, use
File>Open from Word to open one of those files, and make sure that the
"Enable" box is set to "Word Document" or better still, "All Files".

In Word>Preferences>General, check that "Confirm conversions on Open" is set
to OFF.

Either condition will produce the problem.

Cheers

Yes, the resource forks appear to have been stripped off and appear as
separate files. I expect that the flash drive was not formatted ie.
"Windows".
Thanks

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[Paul Berkowitz]

In Word>Preferences>General, check that "Confirm conversions on Open" is set
to OFF.

Once again, in Word 98 there is no Word>Preferences - there's no Word menu
at all.

John means Edit>Preferences>General , for that version (98) of Word.

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