Word and Endnote

[Duncan Bruce]

For a long time, I kept reading that Word X and Endnote were
effectively incompatible. Can anyone tell me whether this is still the
case and, if not, which updates of Word and/or of Endnote work
together?

 

[Gene van Troyer]

For a long time, I kept reading that Word X and Endnote were
effectively incompatible. Can anyone tell me whether this is still the
case and, if not, which updates of Word and/or of Endnote work
together?

It's still the case. I couldn't say when it will be fixed, if ever. Endnote
has gone to blech since it was acquired by new management.

Have you thought of trying Bookends from Sonnysoft? They are friendly,
customer servive responsive, up-to-date, and committed to all three.
Bookends is also a great online bibliographic database app.

Gene van Troyer

 

[Dayo Mitchell]

Hi Duncan,

I'm not in X myself, but I think what I've heard is that Word X and Endnote
6 is just a mess. Some people say Endnote 7 is much better, others say
there are still problems.

The Cite While You Write add-in has been blamed for a lot of problems
(particularly tables/pix turning into big red Xs). Removing it seems to fix
many issues, and Endnote is still usable with a bit of extra trouble.

If you follow the links under Support from the Endnote home page, eventually
you will arrive at an archive with all the messages from the Endnote
listserv, where people report their difficulties with Endnote and Word of
all versions. The web interface is not the easiest to use, but that will
probably be your best source of information, and subject lines are likely to
mention Mac or Word X. One beta tester there raved re EN 7, but someone
else reported crashes even with CWYW removed. I've not checked the list in
the last few months, so my info is a bit out of date.

You can also use Google Groups to search the microsoft.public.mac.office*
groups--try Endnote and "big red X" as a subject. But the Endnote listserv
is likely to be *much* more helpful, as I think many of the Endnote comments
on the NGs have come by the way in other threads. There don't seem to be
that many people both using Endnote and posting on these NGs.

Endnote issues are part of why I'm holding off on switching to X, but I
would call "effectively incompatible" an overstatement. I've had big red Xs
show up sporadically in Office 2001 (with EN 5).

DM

 

[Jim Gordon]

Hi

I've used EndNote successfully with Word X. The EndNote web site has
further information.
http://www.endnote.com/ENMac.htm

-Jim Gordon
Mac MVP

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[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

Hi

I've used EndNote successfully with Word X. The EndNote web site has
further information.
http://www.endnote.com/ENMac.htm

EndNote integration in Word relies on plug-ins.
As long as the user folder is on the boot drive, no problem.
If ever the user folder is relocated to another volume, then Office does
not understand what is going on and VBA make Office apps badly crash in
flames (almost ;-)) ).

In this specific case, deleting the Carbon Registration Database before
launching Word temporarely fixes that until the next time you launch the
app.

I have this kind of setup and as long as I delete the CRD before
launching Word, everything is fine with EndoNote 6 (we ordered EN 7 as
soon as it came out... but I'm still waiting on the package to be
delivered :-\).


Corentin

 

[Jeff Vandehey]

EndNote integration in Word relies on plug-ins.

As long as the user folder is on the boot drive, no problem.
If ever the user folder is relocated to another volume, then Office does
not understand what is going on and VBA make Office apps badly crash in
flames (almost ;-)) ).

In this specific case, deleting the Carbon Registration Database before
launching Word temporarely fixes that until the next time you launch the
app.

I have this kind of setup and as long as I delete the CRD before
launching Word, everything is fine with EndoNote 6 (we ordered EN 7 as
soon as it came out... but I'm still waiting on the package to be
delivered :-\).


Corentin

Gosh, I really haven't noticed too many problems between the two, outside of
the user folder information noted above. I think to say that it is
'effectively incompatible' is a gross overstatement. The other thing that I
didn't see mentioned, is that there are some issues on a multi-user system.
It works fine if everyone's account has admin privileges, but word crashes
on launch for non-admins. Deleting the Carbon Reg Database fixes this
problem as well.

How about creating an AppleScript that first deletes the CRD, then launches
Word?

-Jeff

 

[Kathleen]

I've been using Endnote 6.0.1 with Word X almost nonstop all summer,
to format 3 science manuscripts for publication, running Jaguar
(10.2.6). No problems. I am not using Endnote to deal with figures,
just the references, so I can't vouch for figure capabilities.
The way I'm working is: I carry my whole Endnote folder (including
my crucial Endnote library file) around on my iPod, and plug the iPod
into any of my 3 Macs (home, office, & laptop, all running Jaguar &
all with Office X). I start up Endnote from the iPod first, then start
up Word. I've installed the Endnote plug-in in the Word folder on all
3 computers. It's all been working fine. Just to give you a sense of
the scale of my typical Endnote job, my working library has some 1500
refs and it's always open in Endnote 6 while I'm working in Word X; my
papers are 30pages or so with about 50 cites each, followed by about 5
figures embedded in the Word document.
The only glitch I've had was I found that when asking Endnote to
strip out formatting codes (the last step before sending it off to the
journal), I had to be sure Track Changes was off first, or else
Endnote sometimes stripped out text changes too. I emailed Endnote's
tech support about this and they responded instantly and were quite
helpful. So overall my experience has been very positive.
cheers, Kathleen

PS Two of three manuscripts accepted (one at Physiological &
Biochemical Zoology, one at Physiology & Behavior). The third goes out
this week to General & Comparative Endocrinology, wish me luck!

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

PS Two of three manuscripts accepted (one at Physiological &
Biochemical Zoology, one at Physiology & Behavior). The third goes out
this week to General & Comparative Endocrinology, wish me luck!

)) Good luck. Actually I just received an e-mail telling me one of
the manuscripts we submitted just got accepted. Yeah!!!


Corentin

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

It works fine if everyone's account has admin privileges, but word crashes
on launch for non-admins.

Interesting... Repairing permissions doesn't help ??? It seems that
there is something fishy in the install.

Deleting the Carbon Reg Database fixes this
problem as well.

Very interesting indeed!!!

How about creating an AppleScript that first deletes the CRD, then launches
Word?

I use a Terminal script that deletes my CRD and move my plug-ins from an
inactive folder to the active Word Startup folder and then launches
Word. Then another one that deletes the CRD again and moves the plugins
back to the inactive folder. Finally a last one that simply deletes the
CRD.

All scripts are in my AppleScript menu fo convenience.


This is a quick and dirty script adapted to my setup and the location I
chose for the files but if someone wants to use them and adapot them to
their needs...

CRD-Cleanup.command

#!/bin/tcsh

rm ~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Carbon\ Registration\ Database
echo "OK"



This one should be Universal. You can use it.



Word+EndNote.command

#!/bin/tcsh

mv -f ~/Applications/Microsoft\ Office\ X/Office/Startup/Word\
\(d*sactiv*s\)/EndNote6\ CWYW\ * ~/Applications/Microsoft\ Office\
X/Office/Startup/Word/
rm -f ~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Carbon\ Registration\ Database
open ~/Applications/Microsoft\ Office\ X/Microsoft\ Word





Word_WITHOUT_EndNote.command

#!/bin/tcsh

mv -f ~/Applications/Microsoft\ Office\ X/Office/Startup/Word/EndNote6\
CWYW\ * ~/Applications/Microsoft\ Office\ X/Office/D*marre/Word\
\(disabled\)/
rm -f ~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Carbon\ Registration\ Database
open ~/Applications/Microsoft\ Office\ X/Microsoft\ Word




The scripts must be text files with Unix carriage returns , end with
..command and have execute permissions

Be careful about the carriage returns introduced in posts.
I didn't want to make "universal scripts" because, beside the complexity
of dealing with custom locations, it also needs to be adapted for
localized versions that have locations with different names (eg: Démarre
instead of Startup).
E-mail me if ever you want any of these scripts to play with them (or
the CRD script that should just work).



Corentin

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

This is a quick and dirty script adapted to my setup and the location I
chose for the files but if someone wants to use them and adapot them to
their needs...

CRD-Cleanup.command

OK. To make it easier, I placed this script on the web:
http://cortig.free.fr/CRD-Cleanup.command.sitx

(Stuffit 8 file)
It is exactly as described in the previous post. You can edit it anyway
to check its content.

If you install it in ~/Library/Scripts/CRD-Cleanup.command or anywhere
like ~/Library/Scripts/Word/CRD-Cleanup.command it should show up in the
AppleScript Menu Extra and if you launch if from there, it works
transparently (without ever launching the Terminal but also without
providing any confirmation).

Corentin