Word Exclude Distionary

B

Bibere

Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to "und" when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
C

Clive Huggan

<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================
 
B

Bibere

Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)
 
C

Clive Huggan

[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============
 
B

Bibere

Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

Clive Huggan said:
[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)
 
C

CyberTaz

Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

Clive Huggan said:
[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:


<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to "und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
B

Bibere

Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

CyberTaz said:
Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

Clive Huggan said:
[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:


<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to "und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
C

CyberTaz

Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

CyberTaz said:
Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:

[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:


<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to "und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
C

Clive Huggan

Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

CyberTaz said:
Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:

[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:


<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"

Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive said:
Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:


Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:


[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:


<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
C

Clive Huggan

Spot on, Daiya, about "gift to the world"!

I was having a vague notion in the X/2004 direction too, but couldn't quite
articulate it. It would be good if that were a work-around.

I *do* hope MacBU have fixed this in Word 2008.

Clive
=====

Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive said:
Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word,
however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:


Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear
the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted).
Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I
suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had
for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days
ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:


[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your
Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was
Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used
Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed
from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March
2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in
other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain
that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:


<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU
has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe,
so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude
"und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following
the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly,
but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

Although, then I had a thought that maybe it was already broken in Word
X, and that the technical reason might have been connected to the move
to OS X, so the workaround might have to involve Word 2001, which is
*far* more inconvenient. But I'm really not sure.

Daiya

Clive said:
Spot on, Daiya, about "gift to the world"!

I was having a vague notion in the X/2004 direction too, but couldn't quite
articulate it. It would be good if that were a work-around.

I *do* hope MacBU have fixed this in Word 2008.

Clive
=====

Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive said:
Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

On 21/12/07 11:30 PM, in article
C3911C0F.2F035%[email protected], "CyberTaz"



Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word,
however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:



Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear
the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted).
Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I
suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had
for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days
ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:



[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your
Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was
Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used
Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed
from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March
2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in
other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain
that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:



<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU
has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe,
so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude
"und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following
the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly,
but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
B

Bibere

Hiya Daiya

I don't have enough knowledge to boot Word X without messing up Word 2004.
But you could well be right regarding creating the Exclude Dictionary in X,
which then works in 2004 providing you don't edit it, as I believe that is
what I did.

Daiya Mitchell said:
Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive said:
Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:


Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:


[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:


<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"


Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do
anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I
reconfigured my computer. They run side-by-side fine.

But I wouldn't install Office X after Office 2004--that could get funky.

We'll try to check this out via other means, though.

A possible workaround for your "und" problem--since AutoCorrect is
language-dependent, an English AutoCorrect to correct "und" to something
else might serve the same function as the exclude dictionary, of making
sure final versions don't include "und".
Hiya Daiya

I don't have enough knowledge to boot Word X without messing up Word 2004.
But you could well be right regarding creating the Exclude Dictionary in X,
which then works in 2004 providing you don't edit it, as I believe that is
what I did.

:

Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive said:
Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

On 21/12/07 11:30 PM, in article
C3911C0F.2F035%[email protected], "CyberTaz"



Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:



Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:



[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:



<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
B

Bibere

Hiya Daiya

AutoCorrect: sadly won't work as it only autocorrects what you type, not
what is already in the text. Much appreciate your help BTW - have a great
weekend.

Daiya Mitchell said:
If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do
anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I
reconfigured my computer. They run side-by-side fine.

But I wouldn't install Office X after Office 2004--that could get funky.

We'll try to check this out via other means, though.

A possible workaround for your "und" problem--since AutoCorrect is
language-dependent, an English AutoCorrect to correct "und" to something
else might serve the same function as the exclude dictionary, of making
sure final versions don't include "und".
Hiya Daiya

I don't have enough knowledge to boot Word X without messing up Word 2004.
But you could well be right regarding creating the Exclude Dictionary in X,
which then works in 2004 providing you don't edit it, as I believe that is
what I did.

:

Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive Huggan wrote:

Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

On 21/12/07 11:30 PM, in article
C3911C0F.2F035%[email protected], "CyberTaz"



Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:



Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:



[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:



<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

oh, right....I was thinking only about going forward.

You can Find and Replace across all open documents. It's also possible
to record an F&R as a macro and run it periodically--this is how I fix
my habit of still using two spaces between sentences instead of
one--quick and easy once set up.
Hiya Daiya

AutoCorrect: sadly won't work as it only autocorrects what you type, not
what is already in the text. Much appreciate your help BTW - have a great
weekend.

:

If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do
anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I
reconfigured my computer. They run side-by-side fine.

But I wouldn't install Office X after Office 2004--that could get funky.

We'll try to check this out via other means, though.

A possible workaround for your "und" problem--since AutoCorrect is
language-dependent, an English AutoCorrect to correct "und" to something
else might serve the same function as the exclude dictionary, of making
sure final versions don't include "und".
Hiya Daiya

I don't have enough knowledge to boot Word X without messing up Word 2004.
But you could well be right regarding creating the Exclude Dictionary in X,
which then works in 2004 providing you don't edit it, as I believe that is
what I did.

:



Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive Huggan wrote:


Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

On 21/12/07 11:30 PM, in article
C3911C0F.2F035%[email protected], "CyberTaz"




Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"




Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:




Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"




Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:




[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"




Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:




<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"




Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
B

Bibere

AutoCorrect only corrects what you type, not what is already in the doc, so
the workaround would not be appropriate, sadly.

Daiya Mitchell said:
If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do
anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I
reconfigured my computer. They run side-by-side fine.

But I wouldn't install Office X after Office 2004--that could get funky.

We'll try to check this out via other means, though.

A possible workaround for your "und" problem--since AutoCorrect is
language-dependent, an English AutoCorrect to correct "und" to something
else might serve the same function as the exclude dictionary, of making
sure final versions don't include "und".
Hiya Daiya

I don't have enough knowledge to boot Word X without messing up Word 2004.
But you could well be right regarding creating the Exclude Dictionary in X,
which then works in 2004 providing you don't edit it, as I believe that is
what I did.

:

Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive Huggan wrote:

Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

On 21/12/07 11:30 PM, in article
C3911C0F.2F035%[email protected], "CyberTaz"



Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:



Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:



[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:



<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 
B

Bibere

Sadly, the workaround would not be appropriate as Autocorrect only corrects
what you type, not what is already in the doc.

Daiya Mitchell said:
If they are already both installed, just launching Word X should not do
anything detrimental to Word 2004. I did it a bunch, until I
reconfigured my computer. They run side-by-side fine.

But I wouldn't install Office X after Office 2004--that could get funky.

We'll try to check this out via other means, though.

A possible workaround for your "und" problem--since AutoCorrect is
language-dependent, an English AutoCorrect to correct "und" to something
else might serve the same function as the exclude dictionary, of making
sure final versions don't include "und".
Hiya Daiya

I don't have enough knowledge to boot Word X without messing up Word 2004.
But you could well be right regarding creating the Exclude Dictionary in X,
which then works in 2004 providing you don't edit it, as I believe that is
what I did.

:

Hey all,

I remember this coming up. Exclude Dictionary doesn't work in Word 2004,
and it can't work for some technical reason. So I'm really surprised to
hear it had been working at all.

BUT, the vague understanding I have of the technical reason might
support a wild theory that you can create an Exclude Dictionary in Word
X but not Word 2004. Even wilder theory suggests that maybe Word 2004
can use an Exclude Dictionary that Word X created, but that opening it
up and editing in Word 2004 broke it.

NOTE, I am seriously guessing and wildly extrapolating from a very small
bit of knowledge here. However, Bibere, if you still have Word X handy
on your computer, you might be able to test this theory. I think it
might be worth 15 minutes of "watching TV while pretending to work"
time. :)

Also, if you can prove this is a viable workaround for Word 2004's
inability to use an exclude dictionary, that would be a gift to the
world. :)

Daiya
(Mac/Word MVP, too)


Clive Huggan wrote:

Let's wait and see what John McGhie has to say, then. He shouldn't be too
long...

Clive
======

On 21/12/07 11:30 PM, in article
C3911C0F.2F035%[email protected], "CyberTaz"



Ehhhh, just a thought:) Thanks for checking!

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 6:45 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Hiya Bob
I checked: the failure to recognise "und" occurs in
a) new documents where I type in the word "und"
b) existing German documents which I converted to English (UK), whether
recently or going back years.
So to answer your question, the problem is occuring throughout Word, however
the texts were created. Your Preferences Recheck Document suggestion has no
effect on the problem!

:



Just a request out of curiosity... Is the failure to recognize occurring
only in _existing_ docs or in new ones as well? If you haven't tested in a
new doc...

What if you open the existing doc & go to Spelling & Grammar Preferences,
then click the Check Document button? My thought is that in existing docs
the word has already been marked as acceptable based on the "Add", so even
new entries of the word will go un-flagged. If so the button will clear the
status & it may show up marked again.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 12/21/07 3:19 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Clive - it's so great to be 'conversing' with a human being on these
matters!
Just to reiterate: I indeed started with Ver. X which became 2004. And as
sure as 'eggs is eggs', until a few days ago "und" was being excluded
correctly, i.e. wiggly red line under it, and when I right-clicked it, I
was
given alternative spellings incl. "and" (which is the one I wanted). Then,
very tired, I mistakenly added "und" to my custom dictionary, since which
time the exclusion process has stopped working, despite my renewing the
Exclude Dictionary and removing "und" from the Custom Dictionary. I suppose
what may be happening is that the working Exclude Dictionary I have had for
years worked because I had not touched it: when I edited it a few days ago,
it woke up, realised there was a problem, and went on strike :-(
I have posted another topic with another niggle that might interest you
(sound of hope in my typing...)! Merry Christmas.

:



[Raises *other* eyebrow quizzically.] ;-)

Hmm, I had better check my archived copies of "Bend Word to Your Will"...

Aha -- shouldn't trust my memory! I see my experience was that it was Word
2004 in which it first would not work -- not Word 2001. I never used Word
X,
so the problem could have started then. The problem was widely reported,
including by Word MVPs.

Sorry for that! Here's what I said in late 2005 (it has been removed from
the more recent editions --
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Bend/BendWord.htm):

"The Exclude dictionary does not operate in Word 2004 ... Possibly it
will
work in Word X -- I have not used that version, so I have no way of
checking. The fault was filed in a bug report to Microsoft in March 2005."

Two other comments from the earlier descriptions were: "The Exclude
dictionary will only work if it's in the same folder as the main
dictionary... Any word that you place in the Exclude Dictionary will be
exempted from the verification process in the main dictionary -- in other
words, the main dictionary will not get the chance to accept it as being
correctly spelled."

If you stick around, John McGhie will come by soon; he knows more about
it.

Can anyone else who's watching report being able to use the Exclude
dictionary in Word 2004?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 21/12/07 10:25 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Aha! Thanks, but.... You tell me that it's 'broken'.... yet I have been
able
to exclude that word "und" until the other day. How do you explain that?
(raises one eyebrow quizzically)

:



<Nostalgic, exasperated sigh>

The problem is that the Exclude dictionary broke in Word 2001. MacBU has
not
seen fit to fix it in the intervening 7 years.

Will they fix it in Word 2008? I guess we'll find out in January...

Being able to use an Exclude dictionary in Word:Mac would be a huge
advantage to many of us.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so
my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================


On 21/12/07 12:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Bibere"



Office for Mac, Word for Mac 2004 V 11.3.5.
For years my Exclude Dictionary has been fine. One of the words it
excludes
is "und". The other day, I mistakenly clicked "add" in response to
"und"
when
spell-checking a doc. Since then, I have been unable to exclude "und".
1) I removed it from the Custom Dictionary.
2) I recreated a new Exclude Dictionary to exclude "und" following the
instructions.
None of this has helped. I am certain I am doing things correctly, but
what
could be the problem? Thanks.
 

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