Word for OSX freezes

A

Anna Gislen

Every time I open a document in Word for OSX it freezes
(spinning wheel) and I have to force quit. The only way to
get pass this is to write a few letters, save and then
repeat this procedure for about 5-10 times. This is driving
me crazy though, and sometimes even this elaborate
procedure does not work.

I have done the "repair privileges" but it did not do any
good. Someone out there who knows what to do? I have the
latest backup (Word 10.1.5) and Jaguar 10.2.1.
 
P

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

Hey folks are the Microsoft folks asleep at the switch. I just saw four
versions of the Bogus MS Patch worm on this Goup.

Gates need to corrall this guy and squeeze his balls until he dies of pain.

I having to deal with my ISP telling me I am filling up my mailbox
because of this thing.

I'm receiving well over a 1000 pieces of mail associated with this. And
now its on MS newsgroups.

Anna said:
Every time I open a document in Word for OSX it freezes
(spinning wheel) and I have to force quit. The only way to
get pass this is to write a few letters, save and then
repeat this procedure for about 5-10 times. This is driving
me crazy though, and sometimes even this elaborate
procedure does not work.

I have done the "repair privileges" but it did not do any
good. Someone out there who knows what to do? I have the
latest backup (Word 10.1.5) and Jaguar 10.2.1.

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B

Beth Rosengard

Hi Philip,

I understand your frustration but why did you express it on *this* thread?

I'm having the same ISP problems as you and it's terrible. Microsoft is
doing everything they can to wipe this worm off their news servers, believe
me.

My workaround for the 'mailbox full' problem is this, which works fine in
Entourage (2001) anyway. When I know I'm going to be away from the computer
for several hours (like at night), I ...

1) Enable a Receive All schedule to run every hour.

2) Set my server options (Tools> Accounts> Options) to "Partially receive
messages over" 160K (which means that the bogus messages fully download,
since most are 155K). [Also uncheck "Leave a copy of each message on
server."]

3) Leave the computer on. (Normally I shut it down at night.)

This means that all the virus messages fully download and nothing is left on
the server so the mailbox doesn't fill up. In the morning, or whenever, I
select them all and delete them.

This workaround doesn't help the frustration, but at least it prevents
bouncing "good" email.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>
 
D

Dayo Mitchell

I'm having the same ISP problems as you and it's terrible. Microsoft is
doing everything they can to wipe this worm off their news servers, believe
me.
Hi Beth,

I'm not entirely sure I do believe you, :) b/c I only see multiple messages
re the patch with 155K and 14K attachments on the Mac groups. I don't think
I've seen a single 155K patch message on ms.public.word.docmanagement or the
formatting.longdocs group. Which to me suggests they are running better
interference on other groups, and admittedly there's some logical defenses
of that (more traffic, if a PC user downloads the patch they are damaged,
not just inconvenienced). But still!

Dayo
 
E

Elliott Roper

Dayo Mitchell said:
Hi Beth,

I'm not entirely sure I do believe you, :) b/c I only see multiple messages
re the patch with 155K and 14K attachments on the Mac groups. I don't think
I've seen a single 155K patch message on ms.public.word.docmanagement or the
formatting.longdocs group. Which to me suggests they are running better
interference on other groups, and admittedly there's some logical defenses
of that (more traffic, if a PC user downloads the patch they are damaged,
not just inconvenienced). But still!

FWIW, I don't think there is much evidence of the virus being delivered
directly by news servers. I have seen none at all delivered that way.

What does seem likely is that the virus has some way of harvesting
e-mail addresses from news postings and then sending direct e-mail from
the infected machine. It may be going to news servers to harvest
addresses or it may simply be reading saved news articles on infected
machines.

I believe this to be the case because the IP address of the virus
sender is all over the place, unrelated to news servers, and that
addresses I and others have, that have not been used to post to
newsgroups, have been far more lightly attacked.

I always use a real address, partly because it is polite, partly
because it is too late to do anything about it. I am seeing up to 100
messages with 104KB virus attachments per hour. Around 200 MBytes of my
bandwidth is being stolen each day.

On top of that, there is an increasing flood of auto-drivel from
mismanaged corporations that tell me that one of their own people tried
to send me an attachment and that with some pride, they disallowed it.
On top of that again, there are the virus scanners who don't know that
the From is forged who want to accuse *me* of sending them a virus.

Internet e-mail is on the edge of melt-down.

That 200MB of manure is 2 to 5 times more than I use on average! It has
multiplied my inbound e-mail a thousand times, making mobile (GSM)
e-mail completely unaffordable. I'm trying to get around it by running
a mule mac which POPs and junks all the viruses and forwards what it
thinks is non-junk to my real machine. (server-side filters just can't
do as good a job) This stupid virus is costing me real money.

The cumulative effect over all ISPs must be crippling. There are only
three logical places to stop the stuff. On entry to the net, and at the
POP or IMAP server, by which time the denial of service is complete.
The third way is to make it an international criminal offence to
connect a Windows machine to the internet.

It is getting well beyond a laughing matter.
 
P

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

I expressed here becaus for the last several days the exact same MS or
Microsoft Patch thingi has been on this news group on the excle news
group on the powerpoint newsgroup and the Entourage. And in a newsgroup
I was directed to on the msnews network about creating forms using word.

As a result, I've had to open a new mailbox account.

The reason I said what I did was because it being directed directly at
criplling Microsoft.

One would think Gates would put a million dollar bounty on the person(s)
head and when he was caught having him put awy in prison for 20 years or more!

Beth said:
Hi Philip,

I understand your frustration but why did you express it on *this* thread?

I'm having the same ISP problems as you and it's terrible. Microsoft is
doing everything they can to wipe this worm off their news servers, believe
me.

My workaround for the 'mailbox full' problem is this, which works fine in
Entourage (2001) anyway. When I know I'm going to be away from the computer
for several hours (like at night), I ...

1) Enable a Receive All schedule to run every hour.

2) Set my server options (Tools> Accounts> Options) to "Partially receive
messages over" 160K (which means that the bogus messages fully download,
since most are 155K). [Also uncheck "Leave a copy of each message on
server."]

3) Leave the computer on. (Normally I shut it down at night.)

This means that all the virus messages fully download and nothing is left on
the server so the mailbox doesn't fill up. In the morning, or whenever, I
select them all and delete them.

This workaround doesn't help the frustration, but at least it prevents
bouncing "good" email.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>

Hey folks are the Microsoft folks asleep at the switch. I just saw four
versions of the Bogus MS Patch worm on this Goup.

Gates need to corrall this guy and squeeze his balls until he dies of pain.

I having to deal with my ISP telling me I am filling up my mailbox
because of this thing.

I'm receiving well over a 1000 pieces of mail associated with this. And
now its on MS newsgroups.

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Martinsville Va |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
24112-1809
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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

Dayo said:
Hi Beth,

I'm not entirely sure I do believe you, :) b/c I only see multiple messages
re the patch with 155K and 14K attachments on the Mac groups. I don't think
I've seen a single 155K patch message on ms.public.word.docmanagement or the
formatting.longdocs group. Which to me suggests they are running better
interference on other groups, and admittedly there's some logical defenses
of that (more traffic, if a PC user downloads the patch they are damaged,
not just inconvenienced). But still!

Dayo

But, even though Mac's are not affected directly by the virus we can be
thyphiod Mary's passing the junk on to our PC Buddies.
--
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616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868
Martinsville Va |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
24112-1809
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!

mailto:p[email protected]

<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm>
<http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm>
<http://vpea.exis.net>
 
P

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

There are two newsgroup threads on this newsgroup tonight that has MS
Patch in the title.

I've turned off show attachment inline and the header shows up with
about 20 MS Mac newsgroups from this server in the to part of the address.

Beth said:
Hi Philip,

I understand your frustration but why did you express it on *this* thread?

I'm having the same ISP problems as you and it's terrible. Microsoft is
doing everything they can to wipe this worm off their news servers, believe
me.

My workaround for the 'mailbox full' problem is this, which works fine in
Entourage (2001) anyway. When I know I'm going to be away from the computer
for several hours (like at night), I ...

1) Enable a Receive All schedule to run every hour.

2) Set my server options (Tools> Accounts> Options) to "Partially receive
messages over" 160K (which means that the bogus messages fully download,
since most are 155K). [Also uncheck "Leave a copy of each message on
server."]

3) Leave the computer on. (Normally I shut it down at night.)

This means that all the virus messages fully download and nothing is left on
the server so the mailbox doesn't fill up. In the morning, or whenever, I
select them all and delete them.

This workaround doesn't help the frustration, but at least it prevents
bouncing "good" email.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>

Hey folks are the Microsoft folks asleep at the switch. I just saw four
versions of the Bogus MS Patch worm on this Goup.

Gates need to corrall this guy and squeeze his balls until he dies of pain.

I having to deal with my ISP telling me I am filling up my mailbox
because of this thing.

I'm receiving well over a 1000 pieces of mail associated with this. And
now its on MS newsgroups.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling
616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868
Martinsville Va |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
24112-1809
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!

mailto:p[email protected]

<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm>
<http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm>
<http://vpea.exis.net>
 
E

Elliott Roper

Phillip M. Jones said:
But, even though Mac's are not affected directly by the virus we can be
thyphiod Mary's passing the junk on to our PC Buddies.

I don't think that can happen with this one, unless you explicitly
forward a virus laden mail manually, or have some explicit mail
forwarding filter set up by yourself.

The only known virus types that Macs can send to PCs automatically are
Word and Excel Macro viruses. Even then, we'd have to pass an infected
Word attachment manually to our victim. The only 'automatic' part is
not realising there is a macro virus in the document we are manually
passing on.

This SWEN is not one of those. It spreads by installing an executable
program on the victim's machine that sends off copies of itself to
addresses it finds on or maybe from that machine. It gets to install
itself by being scheduled to run when the mail containing it is opened
on some badly designed and configured mail clients. If the mail client
and the operating system on the computer it was running on were more
robustly engineered, then it would not be able to do any damage either
to the victim machine, or to the internet by drowning us all in garbage
traffic.

The OS design problems SWEN is exploiting are:
1 It is easy for an unpriviledged process to access data on the machine
it should not be entitled to.
2 It is easy for such a program to install itself and schedule itself
to run without permission of the user.
3 It is easy for it to perform privileged tasks like running its own
SMTP service.
The mail client weakness is that it was designed for more trusting
environments where it was a convenience for the user to automatically
run any executable attachment it finds either when the mail arrives
(now mostly disabled by default) or when the user opens it.

I'll leave you to guess which operating systems and mail clients work
like that.
 
J

J.E. McGimpsey

Phillip M. Jones said:
One would think Gates would put a million dollar bounty on the person(s)
head and when he was caught having him put awy in prison for 20 years or more!

Fortunately, BG still doesn't have the power to put anyone in
prison...
 
J

John McGhie [MVP]

Hi Beth:

If you are running Entourage, there's a much simpler and quicker solution
which is more dial-up friendly :)

1) In Entourage Tools>Accounts>Account Options>Options, check the box on
your mail account that says "Enable online access"

2) Check the option that says "Partially receive ..." and set the size to
20

3) A folder for your mail server appears in the Entourage folder list

When you start Entourage, first cancel the running download schedule if
there is one. Then click the Online folder. Wait for it to refresh (use
Command 7) to display the status window, and wait until you see the progress
bar complete).

Now you can select and delete all of the Spam messages without having to
download ANY of them :)

If you do not have Entourage, you can do the same thing with a WebMail
client if your ISP offers one.

Cheers


from said:
Hi Philip,

I understand your frustration but why did you express it on *this* thread?

I'm having the same ISP problems as you and it's terrible. Microsoft is
doing everything they can to wipe this worm off their news servers, believe
me.

My workaround for the 'mailbox full' problem is this, which works fine in
Entourage (2001) anyway. When I know I'm going to be away from the computer
for several hours (like at night), I ...

1) Enable a Receive All schedule to run every hour.

2) Set my server options (Tools> Accounts> Options) to "Partially receive
messages over" 160K (which means that the bogus messages fully download,
since most are 155K). [Also uncheck "Leave a copy of each message on
server."]

3) Leave the computer on. (Normally I shut it down at night.)

This means that all the virus messages fully download and nothing is left on
the server so the mailbox doesn't fill up. In the morning, or whenever, I
select them all and delete them.

This workaround doesn't help the frustration, but at least it prevents
bouncing "good" email.

--
All Spam and attachments blocked by Microsoft Entourage for Mac OS X. Please
post replies to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP: Word for Macintosh and Word for Windows
Consultant Technical Writer <[email protected]>
+61 4 1209 1410; Sydney, Australia: GMT + 10 hrs
 
B

Beth Rosengard

Hi John,

I am fully aware of how Allow Online Access works, but it does not solve the
issue in question, namely keeping my allocated server space (10 MB from
Earthlink) from getting used up. Given this particular swen scenario where
I'm getting 15 or more of these messages per hour, if I don't run a schedule
to fully download all email, then it takes only about 5-6 hours to use up my
server allocation and then my email starts bouncing. So if I'm going to be
away from my computer for longer than that (like when I'm asleep!), Allow
Online Access is useless.

Allow Online Access is an easier way to delete the virus messages
themselves, yes, but it's of no help at all in keeping one's server
allocation from getting used up every few hours. You're also correct that
my workaround could be a hardship to someone on dial-up (fortunately I'm on
DSL :); but yours won't help either in this particular situation.

Thanks for trying.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>


Hi Beth:

If you are running Entourage, there's a much simpler and quicker solution
which is more dial-up friendly :)

1) In Entourage Tools>Accounts>Account Options>Options, check the box on
your mail account that says "Enable online access"

2) Check the option that says "Partially receive ..." and set the size to
20

3) A folder for your mail server appears in the Entourage folder list

When you start Entourage, first cancel the running download schedule if
there is one. Then click the Online folder. Wait for it to refresh (use
Command 7) to display the status window, and wait until you see the progress
bar complete).

Now you can select and delete all of the Spam messages without having to
download ANY of them :)

If you do not have Entourage, you can do the same thing with a WebMail
client if your ISP offers one.

Cheers


from said:
Hi Philip,

I understand your frustration but why did you express it on *this* thread?

I'm having the same ISP problems as you and it's terrible. Microsoft is
doing everything they can to wipe this worm off their news servers, believe
me.

My workaround for the 'mailbox full' problem is this, which works fine in
Entourage (2001) anyway. When I know I'm going to be away from the computer
for several hours (like at night), I ...

1) Enable a Receive All schedule to run every hour.

2) Set my server options (Tools> Accounts> Options) to "Partially receive
messages over" 160K (which means that the bogus messages fully download,
since most are 155K). [Also uncheck "Leave a copy of each message on
server."]

3) Leave the computer on. (Normally I shut it down at night.)

This means that all the virus messages fully download and nothing is left on
the server so the mailbox doesn't fill up. In the morning, or whenever, I
select them all and delete them.

This workaround doesn't help the frustration, but at least it prevents
bouncing "good" email.
 
B

Beth Rosengard

Hi Beth,

I'm not entirely sure I do believe you, :) b/c I only see multiple messages
re the patch with 155K and 14K attachments on the Mac groups. I don't think
I've seen a single 155K patch message on ms.public.word.docmanagement or the
formatting.longdocs group. Which to me suggests they are running better
interference on other groups, and admittedly there's some logical defenses
of that (more traffic, if a PC user downloads the patch they are damaged,
not just inconvenienced). But still!

Hi Dayo,

I don't blame you for being skeptical, but they *are* going all out to solve
this :). I don't understand exactly how servers work but I do know that
there are several of them, not just one, involved with the MS public
newsgroups. I believe that's the explanation for why you're seeing
different swen posts in different newsgroups. They are trying to solve the
problem unilaterally, not as it relates to specific groups; that isn't how
it works. There should be across-the-board improvements by tomorrow ­
unless of course the damn worm morphs and it's back to square one (or,
hopefully at least, two).

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>
 
I

indago

030926 said:
FWIW, I don't think there is much evidence of the virus being delivered
directly by news servers. I have seen none at all delivered that way.

What does seem likely is that the virus has some way of harvesting
e-mail addresses from news postings and then sending direct e-mail from
the infected machine. It may be going to news servers to harvest
addresses or it may simply be reading saved news articles on infected
machines.

I believe this to be the case because the IP address of the virus
sender is all over the place, unrelated to news servers, and that
addresses I and others have, that have not been used to post to
newsgroups, have been far more lightly attacked.

I always use a real address, partly because it is polite, partly
because it is too late to do anything about it. I am seeing up to 100
messages with 104KB virus attachments per hour. Around 200 MBytes of my
bandwidth is being stolen each day.

On top of that, there is an increasing flood of auto-drivel from
mismanaged corporations that tell me that one of their own people tried
to send me an attachment and that with some pride, they disallowed it.
On top of that again, there are the virus scanners who don't know that
the From is forged who want to accuse *me* of sending them a virus.

Internet e-mail is on the edge of melt-down.

That 200MB of manure is 2 to 5 times more than I use on average! It has
multiplied my inbound e-mail a thousand times, making mobile (GSM)
e-mail completely unaffordable. I'm trying to get around it by running
a mule mac which POPs and junks all the viruses and forwards what it
thinks is non-junk to my real machine. (server-side filters just can't
do as good a job) This stupid virus is costing me real money.

The cumulative effect over all ISPs must be crippling. There are only
three logical places to stop the stuff. On entry to the net, and at the
POP or IMAP server, by which time the denial of service is complete.
The third way is to make it an international criminal offence to
connect a Windows machine to the internet.

It is getting well beyond a laughing matter.

...except for the one who created this Swen virus, who is probably laughing
hysterically over the disruptions that it has caused, at least until the Web
investigators track the source code down and nail him and he winds up in
jail and heavily fined.
 
P

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

J.E. McGimpsey said:
Fortunately, BG still doesn't have the power to put anyone in
prison...

Actually what I was refering to in my poor wording was that the bounty
could be created by MS to turn them in to law enforcement. Be it CIA,
FBI, Local State Police, or local Police.
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Martinsville Va |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
24112-1809
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!

mailto:p[email protected]

<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm>
<http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm>
<http://vpea.exis.net>
 
P

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

That was an accident (due to th frustration). :-(

Beth said:
Hi Philip,

I have absolutely no problem with you expressing your frustration about this
issue on this newsgroup! I was only questioning why you chose a thread
called "Word for OSX freezes" to do it instead of starting your own thread
or finding one that was more appropriate.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>

--
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616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868
Martinsville Va |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
24112-1809
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!

mailto:p[email protected]

<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm>
<http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm>
<http://vpea.exis.net>
 
P

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

Beth said:
Hi Dayo,

I don't blame you for being skeptical, but they *are* going all out to solve
this :). I don't understand exactly how servers work but I do know that
there are several of them, not just one, involved with the MS public
newsgroups. I believe that's the explanation for why you're seeing
different swen posts in different newsgroups. They are trying to solve the
problem unilaterally, not as it relates to specific groups; that isn't how
it works. There should be across-the-board improvements by tomorrow –
unless of course the damn worm morphs and it's back to square one (or,
hopefully at least, two).

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>
Call it lucky in a way or not, the swen stuff is only showing up so far
just on any MS news servers.

just regular Mac newsgroups on USENET haven't been affected as of yet. :-|

But my POP Mail account is taking a pounding.
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616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868
Martinsville Va |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
24112-1809
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!

mailto:p[email protected]

<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm>
<http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm>
<http://vpea.exis.net>
 
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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

indago said:
..except for the one who created this Swen virus, who is probably laughing
hysterically over the disruptions that it has caused, at least until the Web
investigators track the source code down and nail him and he winds up in
jail and heavily fined.

He needs to be hung upside down by his big toes until every drop of his
blood pools up into his head.
--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling
616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868
Martinsville Va |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
24112-1809
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!

mailto:p[email protected]

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