wrap text around a picture

[Stephen Fox]

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected — for example, AutoShape or Picture — and then click the Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you do not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose "Around" or
"Square".

Cheers

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click the Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

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Technical Writer.
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[CyberTaz]

Hi Steve -

You might try Control-Clicking the object & choosing the format command in
the contextual menu. If even this doesn't help you'll need to provide more
details about what it is to which you're trying to apply text wrapping & how
it currently is situated in the doc.


HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Stephen Fox]

Taz,

Just inserting pictures in a document and trying to wrap text around them.

Never used the control-click before and don't know what a contextual
menu is. But I will try!

Steve

 

[Stephen Fox]

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just "Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility, but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

 

[Stephen Fox]

OK. Got the control-click thing down. Neat. Quicker than the Menu route.

Yes, now I'm bogged down with how to handle the captions (see earlier
reply to John). Can't see a way to have the text wrap around the
caption, among other things.

Steve

 

[Stephen Fox]

Taz,

Thanks. I went to the thread you suggested, but found all of it WAY,
WAY above my pay grade. Many, many assumptions of prior knowledge.
Besides, I'm using Word X, and the thread suggests I'm WAY, WAY behind
the times.

Steve

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Can you describe generally what you want the finished product to look
like? That makes it easier to help, especially novice users.

What type of document is this? For instance, will you need Word to
auto-generate a list of all the image captions, as one might for an
academic paper?

I suspect the appropriate route would be to put both the image and
caption in a frame, and wrap text around the frame. Or put them both in
a text box instead of a frame.

I don't think Word X will cause difficulty.

Daiya

Taz,

Thanks. I went to the thread you suggested, but found all of it WAY,
WAY above my pay grade. Many, many assumptions of prior knowledge.
Besides, I'm using Word X, and the thread suggests I'm WAY, WAY behind
the times.

Steve

As hinted at in my reply to your other post, captions throw a whole
different perspective onto your situation.

I'd suggest you take a look at the thread started 2/18 entitled "Caption
problems for pictures", then post back with a more concrete & specific
description of what you want to accomplish. If we have a
comprehensive idea
of your goal someone can better guide you to to it rather than
bouncing back
& forth with an "Oh, in that case you shoulda..." dialog

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just "Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the
picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility, but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format
Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the
menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you do
not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose
"Around" or
"Square".

Cheers


On 9/3/07 7:44 PM, in article (e-mail address removed),
"Stephen

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click the
Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option
mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[Stephen Fox]

Daiya,

Your third paragraph about putting both picture and caption in a frame
sounds like the ticket, but when I tried to add the caption it was
placed separately and did not allow text wrapping. It was then that I
knew I was in way over my head, seeing no obvious (intuitive) solution.

The project is a book in which I occasionally insert a picture at the
appropriate spot. My gut tells me this is a fairly common practice
among book authors, and thus a program like Word ought to handle
routinely. I really don't feel like a novice user, as I've had Word
since it first came out. But like a lot of computer programs, it seems
designed to make the user feel like a novice at all times. Or maybe
your definition of novice is someone who, like me, uses Word but is not
an expert in all aspects. I was able to tell a friend the other day how
to arrange line spacing.

Steve

Can you describe generally what you want the finished product to look
like? That makes it easier to help, especially novice users.

What type of document is this? For instance, will you need Word to
auto-generate a list of all the image captions, as one might for an
academic paper?

I suspect the appropriate route would be to put both the image and
caption in a frame, and wrap text around the frame. Or put them both in
a text box instead of a frame.

I don't think Word X will cause difficulty.

Daiya

Taz,

Thanks. I went to the thread you suggested, but found all of it WAY,
WAY above my pay grade. Many, many assumptions of prior knowledge.
Besides, I'm using Word X, and the thread suggests I'm WAY, WAY behind
the times.

Steve

As hinted at in my reply to your other post, captions throw a whole
different perspective onto your situation.

I'd suggest you take a look at the thread started 2/18 entitled "Caption
problems for pictures", then post back with a more concrete & specific
description of what you want to accomplish. If we have a
comprehensive idea
of your goal someone can better guide you to to it rather than
bouncing back
& forth with an "Oh, in that case you shoulda..." dialog

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac



On 3/10/07 12:35 PM, in article (e-mail address removed),

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just "Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the
picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility, but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format
Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the
menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you do
not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose
"Around" or
"Square".

Cheers


On 9/3/07 7:44 PM, in article (e-mail address removed),
"Stephen

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click the
Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option
mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Hi Steve,

I have no idea what I meant by "novice." John's got you sorted with
the necessary steps.

Daiya

Daiya,

Your third paragraph about putting both picture and caption in a frame
sounds like the ticket, but when I tried to add the caption it was
placed separately and did not allow text wrapping. It was then that I
knew I was in way over my head, seeing no obvious (intuitive) solution.

The project is a book in which I occasionally insert a picture at the
appropriate spot. My gut tells me this is a fairly common practice
among book authors, and thus a program like Word ought to handle
routinely. I really don't feel like a novice user, as I've had Word
since it first came out. But like a lot of computer programs, it
seems designed to make the user feel like a novice at all times. Or
maybe your definition of novice is someone who, like me, uses Word but
is not an expert in all aspects. I was able to tell a friend the
other day how to arrange line spacing.

Steve

Can you describe generally what you want the finished product to look
like? That makes it easier to help, especially novice users.

What type of document is this? For instance, will you need Word to
auto-generate a list of all the image captions, as one might for an
academic paper?

I suspect the appropriate route would be to put both the image and
caption in a frame, and wrap text around the frame. Or put them both
in a text box instead of a frame.

I don't think Word X will cause difficulty.

Daiya

Taz,

Thanks. I went to the thread you suggested, but found all of it
WAY, WAY above my pay grade. Many, many assumptions of prior
knowledge. Besides, I'm using Word X, and the thread suggests I'm
WAY, WAY behind the times.

Steve

CyberTaz wrote:
As hinted at in my reply to your other post, captions throw a whole
different perspective onto your situation.

I'd suggest you take a look at the thread started 2/18 entitled
"Caption
problems for pictures", then post back with a more concrete & specific
description of what you want to accomplish. If we have a
comprehensive idea
of your goal someone can better guide you to to it rather than
bouncing back
& forth with an "Oh, in that case you shoulda..." dialog

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac



On 3/10/07 12:35 PM, in article (e-mail address removed),

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just
"Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the
picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility,
but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format
Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the
menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you
do not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose
"Around" or
"Square".

Cheers


On 9/3/07 7:44 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Stephen

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click
the Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option
mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[Stephen Fox]

Thanks, John! I'm on it.

Steve

Hi Stephen:

OK, you really need to go back to basics and understand graphics to do this.

There's two kinds of objects in a document: "Floating", and "Inline".
Inline is easy: that's ordinary text, sitting in the paragraph along with
the characters of the text.

That's the way I do 99.9 per cent of my pictures: I don't wrap text around
them at all. Then it becomes simple to add a separate paragraph, put the
picture "in" it, use the paragraph style to position the picture, add a
second paragraph below, and use the Caption style to position and format the
caption.

However, you want text wrapped AROUND both a picture and its caption.
Somehow, you have to turn the combination into a single graphic object. OK,
the easiest way to do that is:

1) Select the picture and move it where you want it (as we discussed
earlier)

2) Ensure the picture remains selected and Insert>Caption... The caption
will arrive in a text box. Drag it into position where you want it.

3) Select the text box and use Format>Text Box>Colours and lines to remove
the border from around it. (You don't have to, but it looks ugly if you
don't)

4) Reveal the Drawing toolbar.

5) Click the Select Objects button on the drawing toolbar.

6) Select the drawing, hold down the Shift key and select the text box.

7) On the Drawing toolbar, drop down the Draw menu and choose the Group
option. This converts the Picture and the Text Box into a joined single
object.

8) Right-click and use Format>Object to choose the wrapping style you want
(e.g. "Tight").

There you go: Job's done.

Cheers

 

[Stephen Fox]

John,

Thanks for your advice and instructions. I tried and tried your method,
following the directions as best I could, but I ran into a number of
problems, mostly having to do with the caption (text box). The box just
won't accept the captions I have for my pictures (can't make them fit
the box), and formatting is non-existent. I got rid of the border
around the text box, but when I tried to work with the text itself, the
border came back and I couldn't get rid of it. One thing you didn't
mention is how to remove the border once you are in Colors and Lines
(there are a umber of options available, but not knowing what they
pertain to precludes a confident choice (at least on my part).

Until I know better how to manipulate the caption, I will have to leave
the document as is with pictures grouped together at the end of chapters.

Steve

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Hi Stephen,

To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

You can change the size of a text box by dragging the outlined white
squares in the appropriate direction.

Note:
--all textboxes are floating graphics
--when selected, inline graphics show a black line around them and solid
black squares, while floating graphics show a broad dotted line and
outlined squares. Grab the broad dotted line to drag floating graphics
around.

Here's another approach, if the above is not a fix--I'm pretty novice at
graphics but I tried this method and it worked.

1) Insert the picture as In Line With Text (acting like a paragraph),
text not wrapped around it (you may need to temporarily reformat some of
your pictures as inline for this method--doubleclick to bring up the
dialog and change the Layout setting).
2) Insert the Caption as the next paragraph.
3) Select both Caption and Picture. Go to Insert Text Box. In mine
(Word 2004), this put them both in the same Text Box, but it was too small.
4) Grab one corner of the textbox and drag outward to upsize the textbox
to be the size you want.
5) Select the textbox and drag into the right position.
6) Select the textbox and double click to bring up the Format Text Box
dialog. To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

Differences between what John and I said:
--this method gives you a single text box which should behave as a
single entity. I think John's method grouped two text boxes so that they
would stay together. I don't know whether one is better than the other.
I'm having problems putting a border around the picture with this
method, but I don't remember whether you wanted that anyhow.

hope something helps,
Daiya

John,

Thanks for your advice and instructions. I tried and tried your
method, following the directions as best I could, but I ran into a
number of problems, mostly having to do with the caption (text box).
The box just won't accept the captions I have for my pictures (can't
make them fit the box), and formatting is non-existent. I got rid of
the border around the text box, but when I tried to work with the text
itself, the border came back and I couldn't get rid of it. One thing
you didn't mention is how to remove the border once you are in Colors
and Lines (there are a umber of options available, but not knowing
what they pertain to precludes a confident choice (at least on my part).

Until I know better how to manipulate the caption, I will have to
leave the document as is with pictures grouped together at the end of
chapters.

Steve

Hi Stephen:

OK, you really need to go back to basics and understand graphics to
do this.

There's two kinds of objects in a document: "Floating", and "Inline".
Inline is easy: that's ordinary text, sitting in the paragraph along
with
the characters of the text.

That's the way I do 99.9 per cent of my pictures: I don't wrap text
around
them at all. Then it becomes simple to add a separate paragraph, put
the
picture "in" it, use the paragraph style to position the picture, add a
second paragraph below, and use the Caption style to position and
format the
caption.

However, you want text wrapped AROUND both a picture and its caption.
Somehow, you have to turn the combination into a single graphic
object. OK,
the easiest way to do that is:

1) Select the picture and move it where you want it (as we discussed
earlier)

2) Ensure the picture remains selected and Insert>Caption... The
caption
will arrive in a text box. Drag it into position where you want it.

3) Select the text box and use Format>Text Box>Colours and lines to
remove
the border from around it. (You don't have to, but it looks ugly if you
don't)

4) Reveal the Drawing toolbar.

5) Click the Select Objects button on the drawing toolbar.

6) Select the drawing, hold down the Shift key and select the text box.

7) On the Drawing toolbar, drop down the Draw menu and choose the Group
option. This converts the Picture and the Text Box into a joined single
object.

8) Right-click and use Format>Object to choose the wrapping style
you want
(e.g. "Tight").

There you go: Job's done.

Cheers

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just "Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the
picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility, but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format
Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the
menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you do
not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose
"Around" or
"Square".

Cheers


On 9/3/07 7:44 PM, in article (e-mail address removed),
"Stephen

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click the
Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option
mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[Stephen Fox]

Daiya,

Thanks. I will continue to try and make this work. I did figure out
the "No Line" thing, but when I tried to work with the box I kept
getting a border back. Dunno.

Steve

Hi Stephen,

To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

You can change the size of a text box by dragging the outlined white
squares in the appropriate direction.
Note:
--all textboxes are floating graphics
--when selected, inline graphics show a black line around them and solid
black squares, while floating graphics show a broad dotted line and
outlined squares. Grab the broad dotted line to drag floating graphics
around.

Here's another approach, if the above is not a fix--I'm pretty novice at
graphics but I tried this method and it worked.

1) Insert the picture as In Line With Text (acting like a paragraph),
text not wrapped around it (you may need to temporarily reformat some of
your pictures as inline for this method--doubleclick to bring up the
dialog and change the Layout setting).
2) Insert the Caption as the next paragraph.
3) Select both Caption and Picture. Go to Insert Text Box. In mine
(Word 2004), this put them both in the same Text Box, but it was too small.
4) Grab one corner of the textbox and drag outward to upsize the textbox
to be the size you want.
5) Select the textbox and drag into the right position.
6) Select the textbox and double click to bring up the Format Text Box
dialog. To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

Differences between what John and I said:
--this method gives you a single text box which should behave as a
single entity. I think John's method grouped two text boxes so that they
would stay together. I don't know whether one is better than the other.
I'm having problems putting a border around the picture with this
method, but I don't remember whether you wanted that anyhow.

hope something helps,
Daiya

John,

Thanks for your advice and instructions. I tried and tried your
method, following the directions as best I could, but I ran into a
number of problems, mostly having to do with the caption (text box).
The box just won't accept the captions I have for my pictures (can't
make them fit the box), and formatting is non-existent. I got rid of
the border around the text box, but when I tried to work with the text
itself, the border came back and I couldn't get rid of it. One thing
you didn't mention is how to remove the border once you are in Colors
and Lines (there are a umber of options available, but not knowing
what they pertain to precludes a confident choice (at least on my part).

Until I know better how to manipulate the caption, I will have to
leave the document as is with pictures grouped together at the end of
chapters.

Steve

Hi Stephen:

OK, you really need to go back to basics and understand graphics to
do this.

There's two kinds of objects in a document: "Floating", and "Inline".
Inline is easy: that's ordinary text, sitting in the paragraph along
with
the characters of the text.

That's the way I do 99.9 per cent of my pictures: I don't wrap text
around
them at all. Then it becomes simple to add a separate paragraph, put
the
picture "in" it, use the paragraph style to position the picture, add a
second paragraph below, and use the Caption style to position and
format the
caption.

However, you want text wrapped AROUND both a picture and its caption.
Somehow, you have to turn the combination into a single graphic
object. OK,
the easiest way to do that is:

1) Select the picture and move it where you want it (as we discussed
earlier)

2) Ensure the picture remains selected and Insert>Caption... The
caption
will arrive in a text box. Drag it into position where you want it.

3) Select the text box and use Format>Text Box>Colours and lines to
remove
the border from around it. (You don't have to, but it looks ugly if you
don't)

4) Reveal the Drawing toolbar.

5) Click the Select Objects button on the drawing toolbar.

6) Select the drawing, hold down the Shift key and select the text box.

7) On the Drawing toolbar, drop down the Draw menu and choose the Group
option. This converts the Picture and the Text Box into a joined single
object.

8) Right-click and use Format>Object to choose the wrapping style
you want
(e.g. "Tight").

There you go: Job's done.

Cheers

On 10/3/07 9:35 AM, in article (e-mail address removed),

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just "Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the
picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility, but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format
Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the
menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you do
not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose
"Around" or
"Square".

Cheers


On 9/3/07 7:44 PM, in article (e-mail address removed),
"Stephen

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click the
Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option
mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Hi Stephen,

You know, I did too, sort of--but check Print Preview, because I think I
decided that it was having screen-draw issues and showing a line that
wasn't really there and would not print out.

Daiya

Daiya,

Thanks. I will continue to try and make this work. I did figure out
the "No Line" thing, but when I tried to work with the box I kept
getting a border back. Dunno.

Steve

Hi Stephen,

To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

You can change the size of a text box by dragging the outlined white
squares in the appropriate direction.
Note:
--all textboxes are floating graphics
--when selected, inline graphics show a black line around them and
solid black squares, while floating graphics show a broad dotted line
and outlined squares. Grab the broad dotted line to drag floating
graphics around.

Here's another approach, if the above is not a fix--I'm pretty novice
at graphics but I tried this method and it worked.

1) Insert the picture as In Line With Text (acting like a paragraph),
text not wrapped around it (you may need to temporarily reformat some
of your pictures as inline for this method--doubleclick to bring up
the dialog and change the Layout setting).
2) Insert the Caption as the next paragraph.
3) Select both Caption and Picture. Go to Insert Text Box. In mine
(Word 2004), this put them both in the same Text Box, but it was too
small.
4) Grab one corner of the textbox and drag outward to upsize the
textbox to be the size you want.
5) Select the textbox and drag into the right position.
6) Select the textbox and double click to bring up the Format Text
Box dialog. To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

Differences between what John and I said:
--this method gives you a single text box which should behave as a
single entity. I think John's method grouped two text boxes so that
they would stay together. I don't know whether one is better than the
other. I'm having problems putting a border around the picture with
this method, but I don't remember whether you wanted that anyhow.

hope something helps,
Daiya

John,

Thanks for your advice and instructions. I tried and tried your
method, following the directions as best I could, but I ran into a
number of problems, mostly having to do with the caption (text
box). The box just won't accept the captions I have for my pictures
(can't make them fit the box), and formatting is non-existent. I
got rid of the border around the text box, but when I tried to work
with the text itself, the border came back and I couldn't get rid of
it. One thing you didn't mention is how to remove the border once
you are in Colors and Lines (there are a umber of options available,
but not knowing what they pertain to precludes a confident choice
(at least on my part).

Until I know better how to manipulate the caption, I will have to
leave the document as is with pictures grouped together at the end
of chapters.

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Stephen:

OK, you really need to go back to basics and understand graphics to
do this.

There's two kinds of objects in a document: "Floating", and "Inline".
Inline is easy: that's ordinary text, sitting in the paragraph
along with
the characters of the text.

That's the way I do 99.9 per cent of my pictures: I don't wrap text
around
them at all. Then it becomes simple to add a separate paragraph,
put the
picture "in" it, use the paragraph style to position the picture,
add a
second paragraph below, and use the Caption style to position and
format the
caption.

However, you want text wrapped AROUND both a picture and its caption.
Somehow, you have to turn the combination into a single graphic
object. OK,
the easiest way to do that is:

1) Select the picture and move it where you want it (as we discussed
earlier)

2) Ensure the picture remains selected and Insert>Caption... The
caption
will arrive in a text box. Drag it into position where you want it.

3) Select the text box and use Format>Text Box>Colours and lines
to remove
the border from around it. (You don't have to, but it looks ugly if
you
don't)

4) Reveal the Drawing toolbar.

5) Click the Select Objects button on the drawing toolbar.

6) Select the drawing, hold down the Shift key and select the text
box.

7) On the Drawing toolbar, drop down the Draw menu and choose the
Group
option. This converts the Picture and the Text Box into a joined
single
object.

8) Right-click and use Format>Object to choose the wrapping style
you want
(e.g. "Tight").

There you go: Job's done.

Cheers

On 10/3/07 9:35 AM, in article (e-mail address removed),

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just
"Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the
picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility,
but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format
Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the
menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you
do not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose
"Around" or
"Square".

Cheers


On 9/3/07 7:44 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Stephen

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click
the Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option
mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[Stephen Fox]

I'm lost. Don't understand your terminology. Here, the Text Box is the
graphic and the caption together. Don't see how to select the Text Box
and double-click the picture. They are one in the same, as your earlier
instructions indicated they would be.

No clue. Sorry.

Steve

Hi Stephen,

Are you sure you have the Text Box selected? If I double-click the picture,
the Line options are greyed out, but with the Text Box selected, I get both
Fill and Line options. The top of the dialog will say which.

I'd be best to followup this on the newsgroup, which I check just as
regularly and doesn't run the risk of getting lost in my spam.

Daiya

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Hi Stephen,

You know, I did too, sort of--but check Print Preview, because I think I
decided that it was having screen-draw issues and showing a line that
wasn't really there and would not print out.

Daiya

Daiya,

Thanks. I will continue to try and make this work. I did figure out
the "No Line" thing, but when I tried to work with the box I kept
getting a border back. Dunno.

Steve

Hi Stephen,

To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

You can change the size of a text box by dragging the outlined white
squares in the appropriate direction.
Note:
--all textboxes are floating graphics
--when selected, inline graphics show a black line around them and
solid black squares, while floating graphics show a broad dotted line
and outlined squares. Grab the broad dotted line to drag floating
graphics around.

Here's another approach, if the above is not a fix--I'm pretty novice
at graphics but I tried this method and it worked.

1) Insert the picture as In Line With Text (acting like a paragraph),
text not wrapped around it (you may need to temporarily reformat some
of your pictures as inline for this method--doubleclick to bring up
the dialog and change the Layout setting).
2) Insert the Caption as the next paragraph.
3) Select both Caption and Picture. Go to Insert Text Box. In mine
(Word 2004), this put them both in the same Text Box, but it was too
small.
4) Grab one corner of the textbox and drag outward to upsize the
textbox to be the size you want.
5) Select the textbox and drag into the right position.
6) Select the textbox and double click to bring up the Format Text
Box dialog. To remove the border, set the Line Color to No Line.

Differences between what John and I said:
--this method gives you a single text box which should behave as a
single entity. I think John's method grouped two text boxes so that
they would stay together. I don't know whether one is better than the
other. I'm having problems putting a border around the picture with
this method, but I don't remember whether you wanted that anyhow.

hope something helps,
Daiya


Stephen Fox wrote:
John,

Thanks for your advice and instructions. I tried and tried your
method, following the directions as best I could, but I ran into a
number of problems, mostly having to do with the caption (text
box). The box just won't accept the captions I have for my pictures
(can't make them fit the box), and formatting is non-existent. I
got rid of the border around the text box, but when I tried to work
with the text itself, the border came back and I couldn't get rid of
it. One thing you didn't mention is how to remove the border once
you are in Colors and Lines (there are a umber of options available,
but not knowing what they pertain to precludes a confident choice
(at least on my part).

Until I know better how to manipulate the caption, I will have to
leave the document as is with pictures grouped together at the end
of chapters.

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Stephen:

OK, you really need to go back to basics and understand graphics to
do this.

There's two kinds of objects in a document: "Floating", and "Inline".
Inline is easy: that's ordinary text, sitting in the paragraph
along with
the characters of the text.

That's the way I do 99.9 per cent of my pictures: I don't wrap text
around
them at all. Then it becomes simple to add a separate paragraph,
put the
picture "in" it, use the paragraph style to position the picture,
add a
second paragraph below, and use the Caption style to position and
format the
caption.

However, you want text wrapped AROUND both a picture and its caption.
Somehow, you have to turn the combination into a single graphic
object. OK,
the easiest way to do that is:

1) Select the picture and move it where you want it (as we discussed
earlier)

2) Ensure the picture remains selected and Insert>Caption... The
caption
will arrive in a text box. Drag it into position where you want it.

3) Select the text box and use Format>Text Box>Colours and lines
to remove
the border from around it. (You don't have to, but it looks ugly if
you
don't)

4) Reveal the Drawing toolbar.

5) Click the Select Objects button on the drawing toolbar.

6) Select the drawing, hold down the Shift key and select the text
box.

7) On the Drawing toolbar, drop down the Draw menu and choose the
Group
option. This converts the Picture and the Text Box into a joined
single
object.

8) Right-click and use Format>Object to choose the wrapping style
you want
(e.g. "Tight").

There you go: Job's done.

Cheers

On 10/3/07 9:35 AM, in article (e-mail address removed),

John,

OK, I got the picture inserted and text wrapped around it. FYI, the
option offered at the bottom of the Format Menu is just
"Picture." No
biggie.

Now, here's the next wrinkle: How do I add a caption to the
picture? I
tried the Caption option, which doesn't give you much flexibility,
but
it also doesn't allow text wrapping. Instead, it covers up the text.
Maybe there's another way to do this?

Steve

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Steve:

You don't have the picture "selected".

When the picture is selected, you will be offered a "Format
Picture" option
at the bottom of the menu. You may have to dwell a moment on the
menu for
the adaptive menu to expand further to show you the commands you
do not use
often.

When you choose that item, you'll get a "Layout" tab. Choose
"Around" or
"Square".

Cheers


On 9/3/07 7:44 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Stephen

Can't figure out how to do this. Here's what Word X Help says:


1. Select the picture or drawing object.
2. On the Format menu, click the command for the type of object you
selected ‹ for example, AutoShape or Picture ‹ and then click
the Layout
tab.
3. Choose the wrapping style you want to apply.

Problem is, under the format menu I don't get either option
mentioned.
Then, of course, I can't go to the Layout tab.

Appreciate any help. What am I missing here?

Steve

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Okay. Not quite. The picture and the caption are *inside* the text box,
but still exist as their own entities. If you put the cursor on the
picture, and double-click, that's not going to bring up Format Text Box,
but Format Picture (check the title at the top of the dialog). Since
most of the space in the text box is picture, if you just moved the
mouse over the text box and double-clicked, it's about 90% certain you
got Format Picture.

However, you can bypass the issue--put the cursor in the caption, and
use the menu Format | Text Box. Make sure the title at the top of the
resulting dialog says Format Text Box.

Now, is Line Color | No Line available?

Daiya

 

[Stephen Fox]

Daiya,

Perfect! Thanks. I used the cursor in the caption option. My
confusion was in "selecting" the Text Box, the double-clicking the
picture. Couldn't see how you could do both. But your latest
explanation unconfused me.

On small tweak remains. In some of the pictures the caption is where I
want it (below the picture), but in others it is below but too close to
the picture. I tried a return to move it down, but the new paragraph is
too far. Is there a way to manipulate the caption position once it is
combined in a box with the picture, or is this something that occurs at
an earlier stage?

Steve

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Hi Stephen,

Glad that worked. In fact, the only the way to double-click a Text Box
to format it is to click around the edge, not inside the Text Box (it
seems).

Re distance between Caption and Picture--you can definitely manipulate
it. Inside the text box, you can pretty much treat the image and the
caption like text.

One option: Leave it all single-spaced. Select the Picture (see black
boxes around it). Use Format | Paragraph, and add the right number of
points to Space After to get what you want.

This is not exactly the proper way, it's a bit manual, but it will do.
The proper way would be to have a Picture style that you formatted each
picture in, which included the right amount of space after, and perhaps
also centered the picture in the text box or did whatever you wanted to
it. But since all your pictures are not currently formatted the same,
I'm not sure the proper way will work for you. An alternative proper way
would be to have all the Captions formatted in a Caption style with the
appropriate space after--I have a feeling that the captions that are too
close are formatted in the Normal style instead of the Caption style--it
should work just as well to re-apply Caption style to the incorrect
captions, rather than formatting the picture.

A note to all--when you use Insert | Caption, it formats the caption in
the caption style. But when you select the Picture and Caption, and use
Insert | Text Box, it changes the caption from Caption style to Normal
style. Interesting....

Daiya