Wrong symbol on my website

D

DSG

FrontPage 2000

I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All of a
sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle (often
seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that space).

I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am only
guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular copyright
symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the page
encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this be
corrected?

dsg
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

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_____________________________________________
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"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
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| FrontPage 2000
|
| I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All of a
| sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle (often
| seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that space).
|
| I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am only
| guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular copyright
| symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the page
| encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this be
| corrected?
|
| dsg
|
|
 
D

DSG

http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
bottom shared border
dsg
.....................................
: Post a URL to your site
:
: --
:
: _____________________________________________
: SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
: "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
: _____________________________________________
:
:
: | FrontPage 2000
: |
: | I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All of
a
: | sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle
(often
: | seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that
space).
: |
: | I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am only
: | guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular copyright
: | symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the page
: | encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this be
: | corrected?
: |
: | dsg
: |
: |
:
:
 
D

DSG

I see another one, but not the copyright symbol. Close to the top of the
page is this line:
Woerrstadt and Essenheim, Germany — 16th Century. Between Germany and 16th
is the double em symbol (twice the length of a hyphen). It is now showing as
a rectangle. I use the HTML code Alt+0151 for that symbol.

Have HTML rules changed somewhere. Has coding language been changed? I have
not examined further into this document, but I have another website in which
these changes have not occurred. Both of them are on the same machine, same
keyboard, same FrontPage application (2000) so it has to come from
somewhere else.
DSG




: http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
: bottom shared border
: dsg
: ....................................
: :: Post a URL to your site
::
:: --
::
:: _____________________________________________
:: SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
:: "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
:: _____________________________________________
::
::
: :: | FrontPage 2000
:: |
:: | I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All of
: a
:: | sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle
: (often
:: | seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that
: space).
:: |
:: | I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am
only
:: | guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular copyright
:: | symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the
page
:: | encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this be
:: | corrected?
:: |
:: | dsg
:: |
:: |
::
::
:
:
 
T

Trevor Lawrence

DSG said:
I see another one, but not the copyright symbol. Close to the top of the
page is this line:
Woerrstadt and Essenheim, Germany — 16th Century. Between Germany and 16th
is the double em symbol (twice the length of a hyphen). It is now showing
as
a rectangle. I use the HTML code Alt+0151 for that symbol.

Well, I suggest that you actually replace the symbol by "—" or
"—"
Have HTML rules changed somewhere. Has coding language been changed? I
have
not examined further into this document, but I have another website in
which
these changes have not occurred. Both of them are on the same machine,
same
keyboard, same FrontPage application (2000) so it has to come from
somewhere else.

Could you give URLs for both pages - one where it works and one where it
doesn't. It would be interesting to compare the code and see if it differs
 
D

DSG

I will try those for the copyright symbol.
But for the double em (long hyphen) my chart does not have an alternate. Is
there one?

I'm still interested to find out, after all these years, something else is
showing up.

: I see another one, but not the copyright symbol. Close to the top of the
: page is this line:
: Woerrstadt and Essenheim, Germany — 16th Century. Between Germany and 16th
: is the double em symbol (twice the length of a hyphen). It is now showing
as
: a rectangle. I use the HTML code Alt+0151 for that symbol.
:
: Have HTML rules changed somewhere. Has coding language been changed? I
have
: not examined further into this document, but I have another website in
which
: these changes have not occurred. Both of them are on the same machine,
same
: keyboard, same FrontPage application (2000) so it has to come from
: somewhere else.
: DSG
:
:
:
:
: :: http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
:: bottom shared border
:: dsg
:: ....................................
:: ::: Post a URL to your site
:::
::: --
:::
::: _____________________________________________
::: SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
::: "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
::: _____________________________________________
:::
:::
:: ::: | FrontPage 2000
::: |
::: | I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All
of
:: a
::: | sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle
:: (often
::: | seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that
:: space).
::: |
::: | I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am
: only
::: | guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular copyright
::: | symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the
: page
::: | encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this be
::: | corrected?
::: |
::: | dsg
::: |
::: |
:::
:::
::
::
:
:
 
D

DSG

http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
This one no longer shows the copyright symbol, but a rectangle
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">©
2001- 2006 - All Rights reserved<br>

I've just looked at it in FireFox and the double em and the copyright symbol
show a question mark. Other pages show the same transposition.
............................................................................

http://www.superior.net/~covenant/
This one still properly shows the copyright symbol
<p align="center" style="margin-top: 6; margin-bottom: 6"><font
face="Arial" size="1">© 2001 Covenant Presbyterian Church
OPC,<br>
dsg
...........................................


:I will try those for the copyright symbol.
: But for the double em (long hyphen) my chart does not have an alternate.
Is
: there one?
:
: I'm still interested to find out, after all these years, something else is
: showing up.
:
: :: I see another one, but not the copyright symbol. Close to the top of the
:: page is this line:
:: Woerrstadt and Essenheim, Germany — 16th Century. Between Germany and
16th
:: is the double em symbol (twice the length of a hyphen). It is now showing
: as
:: a rectangle. I use the HTML code Alt+0151 for that symbol.
::
:: Have HTML rules changed somewhere. Has coding language been changed? I
: have
:: not examined further into this document, but I have another website in
: which
:: these changes have not occurred. Both of them are on the same machine,
: same
:: keyboard, same FrontPage application (2000) so it has to come from
:: somewhere else.
:: DSG
::
::
::
::
:: ::: http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
::: bottom shared border
::: dsg
::: ....................................
::: :::: Post a URL to your site
::::
:::: --
::::
:::: _____________________________________________
:::: SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
:::: "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
:::: _____________________________________________
::::
::::
::: :::: | FrontPage 2000
:::: |
:::: | I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All
: of
::: a
:::: | sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle
::: (often
:::: | seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that
::: space).
:::: |
:::: | I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am
:: only
:::: | guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular copyright
:::: | symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the
:: page
:::: | encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this
be
:::: | corrected?
:::: |
:::: | dsg
:::: |
:::: |
::::
::::
:::
:::
::
::
:
:
 
R

Ronx

Your server is adding a HTTP header:
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
That header forces the browser to display the page as though it were
encoded as UTF-8
Since the page is actually encoded as windows-1252, this will cause
problems.

There is two solutions, and a work-around (though the work around may
have problems):

1) Ask your host to remove the HTTP header. Easiest, if the host is
willing.
2) Encode all your pages as UTF-8 - best solution (in my opinion).

Work Around) Change all symbols to character or numeric entities.
Trevor's posts explain the entities. See http://www.w3schools.com for a
list of entities. The problem with this approach is that if you use
Reformat HTML in Code View, the entities will revert back to ASCII
characters, and you will be back to square one.

For 2) is a three step process:
a) With the website open in FrontPage, Tools->Site Settings- Language
tag
Set Default Page encoding to Unicode (UTF-8)

b) Global Search and Replace:
Edit->Replace
Find: windows-1255
Replace: UTF-8
Tick: All pages in Source Code

c) The above is a waste of time without this step.
Open each and every page, check that there is a meta tag in code
view like
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
and save the page. This ensures the pages are saved in UTF-8 format.

Then republish all pages.

FYI - this <span style="position: absolute; left: -24; top: 47556;
z-index: -3"> is making the home page incredibly long.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/




http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
bottom shared border
dsg
....................................
: Post a URL to your site
:
: --
:
: _____________________________________________
: SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
: "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
: _____________________________________________
:
:
: | FrontPage 2000
: |
: | I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All of
a
: | sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle
(often
: | seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that
space).
: |
: | I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am only
: | guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular copyright
: | symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the page
: | encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this be
: | corrected?
: |
: | dsg
: |
: |
:
:
 
D

DSG

Actually I use a different server for each of the two websites, so I was
surprised to hear that they both are adding the HTTP header at the same
time. Not sure what it means. Perhaps all servers are doing this now?

Thank you for your reference for the list of entities on the w3schools site.

I will use your assignment of (2) Encode all pages as UTF-8 (with all the
steps).
And do I have to change language settings in IE7 and Firefox? And if I
don't *have* to, should I anyway?
...........................
Your Note re:
: FYI - this <span style="position: absolute; left: -24; top: 47556;
: z-index: -3"> is making the home page incredibly long.

It happens to be a gradient panel in the left shared border which I "lost"
last year while I was trying to make it "stick" - I have found it this
evening about a mile down the page and deleted it. Thanks.
DSG
............................................

: Your server is adding a HTTP header:
: Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
: That header forces the browser to display the page as though it were
: encoded as UTF-8
: Since the page is actually encoded as windows-1252, this will cause
: problems.
:
: There is two solutions, and a work-around (though the work around may
: have problems):
:
: 1) Ask your host to remove the HTTP header. Easiest, if the host is
: willing.
: 2) Encode all your pages as UTF-8 - best solution (in my opinion).
:
: Work Around) Change all symbols to character or numeric entities.
: Trevor's posts explain the entities. See http://www.w3schools.com for a
: list of entities. The problem with this approach is that if you use
: Reformat HTML in Code View, the entities will revert back to ASCII
: characters, and you will be back to square one.
:
: For 2) is a three step process:
: a) With the website open in FrontPage, Tools->Site Settings- Language
: tag
: Set Default Page encoding to Unicode (UTF-8)
:
: b) Global Search and Replace:
: Edit->Replace
: Find: windows-1255
: Replace: UTF-8
: Tick: All pages in Source Code
:
: c) The above is a waste of time without this step.
: Open each and every page, check that there is a meta tag in code
: view like
: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
: and save the page. This ensures the pages are saved in UTF-8 format.
:
: Then republish all pages.
:
: FYI - this <span style="position: absolute; left: -24; top: 47556;
: z-index: -3"> is making the home page incredibly long.
: --
: Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
: Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
:
: http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
:
: FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
:
:
:
:
: :
: > http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
: > bottom shared border
: > dsg
: > ....................................
: > : > : Post a URL to your site
: > :
: > : --
: > :
: > : _____________________________________________
: > : SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
: > : "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
: > : _____________________________________________
: > :
: > :
: > : > : | FrontPage 2000
: > : |
: > : | I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All
of
: > a
: > : | sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle
: > (often
: > : | seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that
: > space).
: > : |
: > : | I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am
only
: > : | guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular
copyright
: > : | symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the
page
: > : | encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this
be
: > : | corrected?
: > : |
: > : | dsg
: > : |
: > : |
: > :
: > :
:
 
R

Ronx

There is no need to change language settings in the browsers; browsers
use the setting from the HTTP headers given by the server, and if this
is missing (which is the most common state) the setting in meta tags.

I only checked one server, namely that delivering
http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/




Actually I use a different server for each of the two websites, so I was
surprised to hear that they both are adding the HTTP header at the same
time. Not sure what it means. Perhaps all servers are doing this now?

Thank you for your reference for the list of entities on the w3schools site.

I will use your assignment of (2) Encode all pages as UTF-8 (with all the
steps).
And do I have to change language settings in IE7 and Firefox? And if I
don't *have* to, should I anyway?
..........................
Your Note re:
: FYI - this <span style="position: absolute; left: -24; top: 47556;
: z-index: -3"> is making the home page incredibly long.

It happens to be a gradient panel in the left shared border which I "lost"
last year while I was trying to make it "stick" - I have found it this
evening about a mile down the page and deleted it. Thanks.
DSG
...........................................

: Your server is adding a HTTP header:
: Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
: That header forces the browser to display the page as though it were
: encoded as UTF-8
: Since the page is actually encoded as windows-1252, this will cause
: problems.
:
: There is two solutions, and a work-around (though the work around may
: have problems):
:
: 1) Ask your host to remove the HTTP header. Easiest, if the host is
: willing.
: 2) Encode all your pages as UTF-8 - best solution (in my opinion).
:
: Work Around) Change all symbols to character or numeric entities.
: Trevor's posts explain the entities. See http://www.w3schools.com for a
: list of entities. The problem with this approach is that if you use
: Reformat HTML in Code View, the entities will revert back to ASCII
: characters, and you will be back to square one.
:
: For 2) is a three step process:
: a) With the website open in FrontPage, Tools->Site Settings- Language
: tag
: Set Default Page encoding to Unicode (UTF-8)
:
: b) Global Search and Replace:
: Edit->Replace
: Find: windows-1255
: Replace: UTF-8
: Tick: All pages in Source Code
:
: c) The above is a waste of time without this step.
: Open each and every page, check that there is a meta tag in code
: view like
: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
: and save the page. This ensures the pages are saved in UTF-8 format.
:
: Then republish all pages.
:
: FYI - this <span style="position: absolute; left: -24; top: 47556;
: z-index: -3"> is making the home page incredibly long.
: --
: Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
: Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
:
: http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
:
: FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
:
:
:
:
: :
: > http://home.nycap.rr.com/smallfamily/
: > bottom shared border
: > dsg
: > ....................................
: > : > : Post a URL to your site
: > :
: > : --
: > :
: > : _____________________________________________
: > : SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
: > : "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
: > : _____________________________________________
: > :
: > :
: > : > : | FrontPage 2000
: > : |
: > : | I have a copyright notice in my bottom shared border since 2001. All
of
: > a
: > : | sudden, the copyright symbol has been replaced by a small rectangle
: > (often
: > : | seen in some font families when they don't have any fonts for that
: > space).
: > : |
: > : | I would suspect it has happened with Windows/Office updates, but am
only
: > : | guessing. Do the MVPs know what has happened to the regular
copyright
: > : | symbol? I have always, only, used the HTML code: Alt+0169, and the
page
: > : | encoding, which has always been US/Western European?. How can this
be
: > : | corrected?
: > : |
: > : | dsg
: > : |
: > : |
: > :
: > :
:
 

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