XHTML transitional and Frontpage 2003 validator

[JP]

I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
transitional, almostly....



At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly past Java
script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that is sets the
"Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not allowed in
XHTML transitional.



Question:



How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?



Thanx,



JP

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make sure you have selected the options for:
Attributes Names are lowercase
Tag Names are lowercase




| I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| transitional, almostly....
|
|
|
| At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly past Java
| script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that is sets the
| "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not allowed in
| XHTML transitional.
|
|
|
| Question:
|
|
|
| How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
|
|
|
| Thanx,
|
|
|
| JP
|
|

 

[JP]

Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for the code
generated bij de Frontpage validator.

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

My misread
I overlooked you were talking about the generated scripts from form validation
- those are not in code view to reformat and are generated on file save by FP
(incorrectly as Uppercase for XHTML)

Best I can recommend is you will need to create your own JS validation (copy the script content from View source in browser and
remove the FP validation in FP)



| Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for the code
| generated bij de Frontpage validator.
|
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
| | > Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make sure you
| > have selected the options for:
| > Attributes Names are lowercase
| > Tag Names are lowercase
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| > | transitional, almostly....
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly past
| > Java
| > | script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that is sets
| > the
| > | "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not allowed in
| > | XHTML transitional.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Question:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanx,
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | JP
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[JP]

hmmm

Thanx, but i have more than 40 pages which make use of FP validator...

To change to work with java script once is no problem but the site is
maintaind by people who are familiar only with FP and have no knowledge of
Javascript.

You are sure there is no other solution? Can I change the template frontpage
form validator uses or something like that?

If it is not possible than it is not possible to make good XHTML with
Frontpage and using its nice easy to learn techniques...

Hoping there is a solution,

JP

My misread
I overlooked you were talking about the generated scripts from form
validation
- those are not in code view to reformat and are generated on file save by
FP
(incorrectly as Uppercase for XHTML)

Best I can recommend is you will need to create your own JS validation
(copy the script content from View source in browser and
remove the FP validation in FP)



| Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for the
code
| generated bij de Frontpage validator.
|
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
| | > Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make sure
you
| > have selected the options for:
| > Attributes Names are lowercase
| > Tag Names are lowercase
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| > | transitional, almostly....
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly
past
| > Java
| > | script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that is
sets
| > the
| > | "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not allowed
in
| > | XHTML transitional.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Question:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanx,
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | JP
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Murray]

Why not validate server-side instead? This is a much more reliable way to
do it in the first place, and it will allow you to retain your XHTML
validation.

I'm curious, though, why are you using XHTML rather than HTML4.01 Strict or
Transitional?

--
Murray

hmmm

Thanx, but i have more than 40 pages which make use of FP validator...

To change to work with java script once is no problem but the site is
maintaind by people who are familiar only with FP and have no knowledge of
Javascript.

You are sure there is no other solution? Can I change the template
frontpage form validator uses or something like that?

If it is not possible than it is not possible to make good XHTML with
Frontpage and using its nice easy to learn techniques...

Hoping there is a solution,

JP

My misread
I overlooked you were talking about the generated scripts from form
validation
- those are not in code view to reformat and are generated on file save
by FP
(incorrectly as Uppercase for XHTML)

Best I can recommend is you will need to create your own JS validation
(copy the script content from View source in browser and
remove the FP validation in FP)



| Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for the
code
| generated bij de Frontpage validator.
|
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
| | > Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make
sure you
| > have selected the options for:
| > Attributes Names are lowercase
| > Tag Names are lowercase
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| > | transitional, almostly....
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly
past
| > Java
| > | script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that is
sets
| > the
| > | "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not
allowed in
| > | XHTML transitional.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Question:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanx,
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | JP
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[JP]

We are planning to convert the site (better is to say rebuild) to .Net

Then we will make server side scripts of course. Till then we have to do as
less as possible to the site...

Why we have chozen to make the site XHTML is because it is easier. Because
you have to be strict it is easier to maintain. Also I think that more
browsers can faster read the files (including robots / spiders).

Why not validate server-side instead? This is a much more reliable way to
do it in the first place, and it will allow you to retain your XHTML
validation.

I'm curious, though, why are you using XHTML rather than HTML4.01 Strict
or Transitional?

--
Murray

hmmm

Thanx, but i have more than 40 pages which make use of FP validator...

To change to work with java script once is no problem but the site is
maintaind by people who are familiar only with FP and have no knowledge
of Javascript.

You are sure there is no other solution? Can I change the template
frontpage form validator uses or something like that?

If it is not possible than it is not possible to make good XHTML with
Frontpage and using its nice easy to learn techniques...

Hoping there is a solution,

JP

My misread
I overlooked you were talking about the generated scripts from form
validation
- those are not in code view to reformat and are generated on file save
by FP
(incorrectly as Uppercase for XHTML)

Best I can recommend is you will need to create your own JS validation
(copy the script content from View source in browser and
remove the FP validation in FP)



| Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for the
code
| generated bij de Frontpage validator.
|
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
| | > Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make
sure you
| > have selected the options for:
| > Attributes Names are lowercase
| > Tag Names are lowercase
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| > | transitional, almostly....
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly
past
| > Java
| > | script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that
is sets
| > the
| > | "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not
allowed in
| > | XHTML transitional.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Question:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanx,
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | JP
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Murray]

XHTML has no influence on spidering.

XHTML has no benefit if *you* make coding errors.

If you are planning to integrate XML and related technologies into your
site, then you have a good reason. Otherwise, there are no benefits over
HTML4.01....

--
Murray

We are planning to convert the site (better is to say rebuild) to .Net

Then we will make server side scripts of course. Till then we have to do
as less as possible to the site...

Why we have chozen to make the site XHTML is because it is easier. Because
you have to be strict it is easier to maintain. Also I think that more
browsers can faster read the files (including robots / spiders).

Why not validate server-side instead? This is a much more reliable way
to do it in the first place, and it will allow you to retain your XHTML
validation.

I'm curious, though, why are you using XHTML rather than HTML4.01 Strict
or Transitional?

--
Murray

hmmm

Thanx, but i have more than 40 pages which make use of FP validator...

To change to work with java script once is no problem but the site is
maintaind by people who are familiar only with FP and have no knowledge
of Javascript.

You are sure there is no other solution? Can I change the template
frontpage form validator uses or something like that?

If it is not possible than it is not possible to make good XHTML with
Frontpage and using its nice easy to learn techniques...

Hoping there is a solution,

JP



"Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
My misread
I overlooked you were talking about the generated scripts from form
validation
- those are not in code view to reformat and are generated on file save
by FP
(incorrectly as Uppercase for XHTML)

Best I can recommend is you will need to create your own JS validation
(copy the script content from View source in browser and
remove the FP validation in FP)



| Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for the
code
| generated bij de Frontpage validator.
|
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
| | > Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make
sure you
| > have selected the options for:
| > Attributes Names are lowercase
| > Tag Names are lowercase
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| > | transitional, almostly....
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly
past
| > Java
| > | script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that
is sets
| > the
| > | "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not
allowed in
| > | XHTML transitional.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Question:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanx,
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | JP
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Jon Spivey]

Hi,
If you're planning to migrate to .net you won't need FP validation. Net has
validation functions - you can validate against a regular expression a range
or just check a field has been filled in and the scripts will be written for
you, client side for IE server side for other browsers.

I'd tend to agree with Murray that there's no benefit to using xhtml.

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

We are planning to convert the site (better is to say rebuild) to .Net

Then we will make server side scripts of course. Till then we have to do
as less as possible to the site...

Why we have chozen to make the site XHTML is because it is easier. Because
you have to be strict it is easier to maintain. Also I think that more
browsers can faster read the files (including robots / spiders).

Why not validate server-side instead? This is a much more reliable way
to do it in the first place, and it will allow you to retain your XHTML
validation.

I'm curious, though, why are you using XHTML rather than HTML4.01 Strict
or Transitional?

--
Murray

hmmm

Thanx, but i have more than 40 pages which make use of FP validator...

To change to work with java script once is no problem but the site is
maintaind by people who are familiar only with FP and have no knowledge
of Javascript.

You are sure there is no other solution? Can I change the template
frontpage form validator uses or something like that?

If it is not possible than it is not possible to make good XHTML with
Frontpage and using its nice easy to learn techniques...

Hoping there is a solution,

JP



"Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
My misread
I overlooked you were talking about the generated scripts from form
validation
- those are not in code view to reformat and are generated on file save
by FP
(incorrectly as Uppercase for XHTML)

Best I can recommend is you will need to create your own JS validation
(copy the script content from View source in browser and
remove the FP validation in FP)



| Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for the
code
| generated bij de Frontpage validator.
|
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
| | > Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make
sure you
| > have selected the options for:
| > Attributes Names are lowercase
| > Tag Names are lowercase
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| > | transitional, almostly....
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which automaiccly
past
| > Java
| > | script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that
is sets
| > the
| > | "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not
allowed in
| > | XHTML transitional.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Question:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanx,
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | JP
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[JP]

Thanx to all

We do know that we don't have to use FP when the site is running in ASP.Net
and we are looking forward to that...

For the time being I have to work with FP.

I have set the doctype to HTML 4.01 transitionale. This is not working as
well...due to FP which put a "language" attribute in the form tag. This is
not allowed in 4.01

I think that I chooze for the option setting the doctype to XHTML (all pages
are already valid for this) and let the errors with the capitals stay. The
IE browser does work well with it and this is still the most used browser.
Also I can have the pages validated so that I know the pages work correct.

Still I don't like it that I cannot influence the validator...

Thanx for your help anyway,

JP

Hi,
If you're planning to migrate to .net you won't need FP validation. Net
has validation functions - you can validate against a regular expression a
range or just check a field has been filled in and the scripts will be
written for you, client side for IE server side for other browsers.

I'd tend to agree with Murray that there's no benefit to using xhtml.

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

We are planning to convert the site (better is to say rebuild) to .Net

Then we will make server side scripts of course. Till then we have to do
as less as possible to the site...

Why we have chozen to make the site XHTML is because it is easier.
Because you have to be strict it is easier to maintain. Also I think that
more browsers can faster read the files (including robots / spiders).

Why not validate server-side instead? This is a much more reliable way
to do it in the first place, and it will allow you to retain your XHTML
validation.

I'm curious, though, why are you using XHTML rather than HTML4.01 Strict
or Transitional?

--
Murray

hmmm

Thanx, but i have more than 40 pages which make use of FP validator...

To change to work with java script once is no problem but the site is
maintaind by people who are familiar only with FP and have no knowledge
of Javascript.

You are sure there is no other solution? Can I change the template
frontpage form validator uses or something like that?

If it is not possible than it is not possible to make good XHTML with
Frontpage and using its nice easy to learn techniques...

Hoping there is a solution,

JP



"Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
My misread
I overlooked you were talking about the generated scripts from form
validation
- those are not in code view to reformat and are generated on file
save by FP
(incorrectly as Uppercase for XHTML)

Best I can recommend is you will need to create your own JS validation
(copy the script content from View source in browser and
remove the FP validation in FP)



| Those setting where set correctly and don't make a difference for
the code
| generated bij de Frontpage validator.
|
|
| "Stefan B Rusynko" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
| | > Check your settings in Tools Page Options Code Formatting to make
sure you
| > have selected the options for:
| > Attributes Names are lowercase
| > Tag Names are lowercase
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm using MS Frontpage 2003 and have made the pages valid XHTML
| > | transitional, almostly....
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | At the form pages i use the Frontpage validator which
automaiccly past
| > Java
| > | script in the pages. No problem of course. Th only thing is that
is sets
| > the
| > | "Language" and " Type" attribute with a capital. This is not
allowed in
| > | XHTML transitional.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Question:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | How can i set Frontpage 2003 to use no capitals?
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Thanx,
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | JP
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|