A FrontPage Warning!

Exotic-Scales.com · Jan 18, 2005

When I set out to document my company's software development methodology, I
unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
remaining pages.

When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When I
went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did this
occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.

Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:

Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define object
model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not exist
on the server

Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!

Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right text
on them.

This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft do
this on purpose?

Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by now.)
However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd strongly
advise a different tool.

Tom Pepper Willett · Jan 18, 2005

"However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
strongly
advise a different tool."

Subwebs, subwebs, subwebs.

--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
===

| When I set out to document my company's software development methodology,
I
| unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
| testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
| myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
| pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
| then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
| wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
| flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
| remaining pages.
|
| When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
| were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When
I
| went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
this
| occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
| couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
|
| Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
|
| Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
object
| model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not
exist
| on the server
|
| Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
|
| Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
| no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
| path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
text
| on them.
|
| This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
| this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
do
| this on purpose?
|
| Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
| years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
now.)
| However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
strongly
| advise a different tool.
|
|
|
|
|
|

Wes · Jan 19, 2005

With every tool, even a shovel, it's how you use it! Just try holding onto
a shovel and see what it does.

Bob Lehmann · Jan 19, 2005

I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!

PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
could you at least be original?

Bob Lehmann

Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\) · Jan 19, 2005

Spamming multiple groups with your post detracts from your credibility.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
Charity-ware Add-ins for FrontPage
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

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All pop-ups work with Windows XP SP2

Author of Special Edition Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003

Murray · Jan 19, 2005

Did you think to plug it in, and pull the trigger, Bob, or were you using
that familiar back and forth sawing motion?

Murray · Jan 19, 2005

Now you're really trying to take the fun out of being lost....

--
Murray

in message Also kinda like driving around for hours trying to find an address rather
than asking for directions or reading a map??

| I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
| bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
| had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
| wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
| settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!
|
| PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
| You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
| could you at least be original?
|
| Bob Lehmann
|
| | > When I set out to document my company's software development
methodology,
| I
| > unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| > Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site
and
| > testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't
painting
| > myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished
(2711
| > pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working.
I
| > then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so
they
| > wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with
various
| > flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| > satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed
the
| > remaining pages.
| >
| > When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several
pages
| > were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s).
When
| I
| > went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| > navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| > still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| > structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
| this
| > occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took
a
| > couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
| >
| > Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
| >
| > Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
| object
| > model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not
| exist
| > on the server
| >
| > Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
| >
| > Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up
with
| > no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the
right
| > path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
| text
| > on them.
| >
| > This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site,
and
| > this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| > completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
| do
| > this on purpose?
| >
| > Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites
for
| > years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
| now.)
| > However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
| strongly
| > advise a different tool.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|

Guest · Jan 19, 2005

Bobb

Once again you prove to all you are an askhole!

-----Original Message-----
I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!

PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
could you at least be original?

Bob Lehmann

development methodology,
I as red "x"s). When
I broken page. Why did
this URL 'reference/tasks/define
object

model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gi
f' does not

Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\) · Jan 19, 2005

Rob said:
What's an asKhole anyway?

I think it's someone who calls someone a nasty name while hiding behind the
name "anonymous."

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
Charity-ware Add-ins for FrontPage
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

Pop-up generator Spawn 1.6 now available!
All pop-ups work with Windows XP SP2

Author of Special Edition Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003

Auerbach · Jan 19, 2005

When you renamed your files (to eliminate the spaces), did you do so within
Frontpage, or by using Windows Explorer, etc.? If you made the name changes
outside of Frontpage, that might account for some of the problems you had.

Are Frontpage Extensions installed on your web server? Are they current?

Alex

Wes · Jan 19, 2005

Wes · Jan 19, 2005

Donna in Idaho · Jan 19, 2005

We actually watched a man in the next camp site using a chain saw, but using
the familiar back and forth sawing motion! My husband still laughs about
that. Never could figure out why he needed a chain saw!

Stefan B Rusynko · Jan 19, 2005

None of your multiple duplicate posts indicate what you mean by "recompile"
- there is no compiling or recompiling in FP
Or what you mean by "build the project"
- there are no projects in FP
Or how you renamed the pages
Or that at any time you ran a Tools Recalculate Hyperlinks
Or checked the Nav View after your changes
So no one understands what user errors caused your problem

If all your renaming was done w/ the FP site open (not outside of FP)
- and you did not have any pages open in code/html view when you renamed the files
- and you did cancel any of the FP prompts while FP adjusted links
All links and nav bars should have been adjusted w/o errors
- it doesn't matter what size site you had open

The only thing FP will not handle is renaming file links w/i scripts in your pages

Also your use of folder names w/ spaces is just as bad as file names w/ spaces
Your error starting w/ "reference/tasks/define object model/..." indicates the folder is/was named "define object model" and that
will cause nav bar errors

While breaking large webs into subwebs would considerably speed up FP, it is not impossible to open and work in a FP site w/ ~ 3000
html pages in FP, just painfully slow (I have had to do it on occasion)
- especially if you are attempting to put them all on the nav view or use FP design time components

To attempt to correct your site first do some cleanup
1) In Windows Explorer Find and delete all FP Temp Files
Usually in C:\WINDOWS\Temp and %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temp
- in FP 2003 you need to look in the super hidden folder
%USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\FrontPageTempDir
2) In Windows Explorer Find and delete all hidden *.web files
Usually in %USERPROFILE%\Application Data\Microsoft\Web Server Extensions\Cache
3) Also clean out your IE Temp files

Then open FP and your FP web/site (File Open Web/Site)
Run a Tools Recalculate Hyperlinks
- rename any folders w/ spaces to remove the spaces in Folder List
Select View Reports and select the Broken Hyperlinks
- find and fix any broken ones caused by past errors
Select View Hyperlinks to verify all links are OK (select each file in Folder List)
Select View Navigation and verify your nav bar links
Run a Tools Recalculate Hyperlinks

IMHO
A site that large is either a candidate for multiple subwebs or a Database solution

| When I set out to document my company's software development methodology, I
| unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
| testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
| myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
| pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
| then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
| wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
| flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
| remaining pages.
|
| When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
| were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When I
| went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did this
| occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
| couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
|
| Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
|
| Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define object
| model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not exist
| on the server
|
| Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
|
| Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
| no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
| path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right text
| on them.
|
| This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
| this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft do
| this on purpose?
|
| Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
| years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by now.)
| However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd strongly
| advise a different tool.
|
|
|
|
|
|

Bob Lehmann · Jan 19, 2005

<foreheadslap>DANG!</foreheadslap>

Bob Lehmann

Murray said:
Did you think to plug it in, and pull the trigger, Bob, or were you using
that familiar back and forth sawing motion?

Bob Lehmann · Jan 19, 2005

Perhaps. But, at least I'm somewhat articulate, and capable of correctly
spelling 3 and 7 letter words.

Bob Lehmann

Kevin Spencer · Jan 19, 2005

Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for

years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
now.) However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
strongly advise a different tool.

Let's see, now. You are having problems with your web design, and blaming
your tools for it. You don't personally accept ANY blame for your problems,
but from your message, you do have some. For example:

then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
wouldn't show up as "%20".

If you knew what you were doing, you would never have named web files with
spaces in them. Spaces are illegal URL characters.

Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:

FrontPage is not Visual Studio. HTML is not programming code. There is no
"building" to be done. Obviously, you don't know much about webs and web
toolkits.

It's easy and takes no character to pick on "Micro$oft." All kinds of people
do it. After all, Micro$oft is a big, evil corporation. But let's look back
30 years. 30 years ago, Micro$oft was a handful of people struggling to make
it in the world of programming. Somehow they managed to make it big. I
suppose that's some sort of crime?

Well, Bill Gates is now the richest man in the world. And you can't build a
web site. But it's his fault, right?

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Neither a follower nor a lender be.

Bob Lehmann · Jan 19, 2005

Kevin Spencer · Jan 19, 2005

I think it's like an opKinion - everyone has one.
Yeah, and as Uncle Chutney says, they all stink.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Neither a follower nor a lender be.

Murray · Jan 19, 2005

And, he'll never come back to read the responses....

--
Murray

in message Yah know what irks me about people like this? He never came here for
HELP...but comes here to complain.

sheesh.

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A FrontPage Warning!

Exotic-Scales.com

Tom Pepper Willett

Wes

Bob Lehmann

Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)

Murray

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Guest

Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)

Auerbach

Wes

Wes

Donna in Idaho

Stefan B Rusynko

Bob Lehmann

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