[ANN] Office 2008 SP1 Update (12.1.0) released

[CyberTaz]

I wonder how civilization survived the 14th century8>\ Perhaps it would be a
better world had we gone directly from Dec.31, 1299 to Jan. 1, 1400 - for
that matter, how'd we get past "day 12"?

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
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[CyberTaz]

Be sure to make it understood. when you refer to *next* version you are
referring to 2012. Not the next upgrade.

Gee Phillip I'd a-thought that's why she wrote it explicitly as *next
version* - which is the same as "upgrade" - rather than *next update*.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
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[CyberTaz]

Another thought - Perhaps we can get them to release a V. 13 as long as we
promise not to use it on Fridays... Ergo, automatic 3 day weekends

I really must address this insomnia.....

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
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[Phillip Jones]

Too complicated to move everything over to cable.

Mactopia could have been swamped with downloads. I sure don't miss my DSL
days.

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[Phillip Jones]

Actually X showed up within just a few months of OSX (Hence the
reference about Office X) That was in 2001 just after Office 2001 was
released.

Then it was Office 2004 but it was almost 4 Years. Then 2008 has been a
little more than 4 years. If you count by Month.
And before OSX the was office 2001 which took the place of I believe 98

And before that was w95/Excel95 (the one I liked the best), offered as a
package as Office 4.2 There never has been a 2 year spread, its 2-1/2,
3, 3-1/2, 4. who know It might end up being 6 year spread next time.

Be sure, also, not to assume that there will be a four year gap between
versions. Where did you pull your assumption of 2012 out of?

Sure, it could be, but it's more typical to see 2-3 years between
versions.

Office 2001, v.X and 2004 were ALL released in less than 4 years.

No need to be a curmudgeonly wet blanket, either.

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[CyberTaz]

FYI:

Office 2001 - October 2000
Office X - November 2001 [1yr., 1 month later]
Office 2004 - May 2004 [ 2 yrs., 7 mos. later]
Office 2008 - January 2008 [3 yrs., 8 mos. later]

Source: Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_2004_for_Mac

 

[JE McGimpsey]

That was in 2001 just after Office 2001 was released.

No.

Office 2001 was released 11 October 2000.

Office v.X was released more than a year later - 19 November 2001.

Then it was Office 2004 but it was almost 4 Years. Then 2008 has been a
little more than 4 years.

Office 2004 was released 11 May 2004, less than 3 years and 6 months
after v.X.

Office 2008 was released 15 January 2008, 4 months *LESS* than 4 years
later.

 

[JE McGimpsey]

Office 2004 was released 11 May 2004, less than 3 years and 6 months
after v.X.

Oops forgot to change the 3 when I added the months -

less than *2* years and 6 months.

 

[Phillip Jones]

What we had as an update was the 130 some mb Patch from 12 to 12.01

Them the 12.10 to 12.10 180 mb file, is what MS calls a service pack
(SP) everyone else calls a major Upgrade. Then what come when the go fro
12 to 13(14) or 2012 is a complete version upgrade.

What one shoots for is a two year turn over. But reality is it could be
anywhere from 2-6 years.

Gee Phillip I'd a-thought that's why she wrote it explicitly as *next
version* - which is the same as "upgrade" - rather than *next update*.

Regards |:>)
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[JE McGimpsey]

What we had as an update was the 130 some mb Patch from 12 to 12.01

Them the 12.10 to 12.10 180 mb file, is what MS calls a service pack
(SP) everyone else calls a major Upgrade.

Hmmm... I don't know *anyone* calling it an Upgrade, much less a major
one. From the Mactopia Downloads site:

This update contains several improvements

Then what come when the go fro
12 to 13(14) or 2012 is a complete version upgrade.

In MS (and Apple, and nearly every other major software developer)
terms, ALL upgrades are "version upgrades".

"Upgrade" implies major changes and new features, and generally must be
purchased.

Updates are nearly always free, and contain bug fixes and minor feature
changes.

What one shoots for is a two year turn over. But reality is it could be
anywhere from 2-6 years.

Now it's 6? Philip! You're just making this crap up! There's never even
been an interval as long as *4* full years in the 24+ years since MacXL
and MacWord first appeared.

 

[Phillip Jones]

Hmmm... I don't know *anyone* calling it an Upgrade, much less a major
one. From the Mactopia Downloads site:

This update contains several improvements


In MS (and Apple, and nearly every other major software developer)
terms, ALL upgrades are "version upgrades".

"Upgrade" implies major changes and new features, and generally must be
purchased.

Updates are nearly always free, and contain bug fixes and minor feature
changes.


Now it's 6? Philip! You're just making this crap up! There's never even
been an interval as long as *4* full years in the 24+ years since MacXL
and MacWord first appeared.

Even MVP's and MS has called 12.01 to 12.01 major bug fixes and
improvements. In my eyes that an upgrade. It may not have been a for pay
upgrade but an upgrade it appears. To me when you have a complete
version name change (11, 12, 13, 14) that's a version change.

You can hve minor updates that addresses 1 or two items. but 130mb nor
180 mb to me isn't a minor patch.

the first time I saw word/excel in was 95 (version 6 for word , version
5 for Excel.

The next I heard of was 97 for PC and 98 for Mac, then there was 2001
for Mac and 2000 for PC 2001 was the first that worked with either a OS9
system or OSX. I didn't get on the OSX band wagon until OSX.2 and That
killed my use of Word 6 Excel 5 so I bought 2001. I stayed with that
until I could buy 2004 now I bought 2008 when it was availble.

so I bought word/excel 95, then Office 2001, then 2004, now 2008.

that 6 six year, 3 years, 4 years. maybe they were published sooner or
later but they were available. I skipped X because it was just basically
a worked over 2001 and was considered very buggy.

Anyway. doesn't really matter. All, software companies say they shoot
for 2 year turn around. Apple isn't without fault they fudged the
deadline on OSX.5 for 6 months and didn't look for bugs like they should
have. One reason why I haven't purchased it yet. may not for another year.

So don't be so defensive about MS. Every software company does it.
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[JE McGimpsey]

Even MVP's and MS has called 12.01 to 12.01 major bug fixes and
improvements. In my eyes that an upgrade. It may not have been a for pay
upgrade but an upgrade it appears. To me when you have a complete
version name change (11, 12, 13, 14) that's a version change.

Well, OK. Just realize that you're using the terms in an idiosyncratic
way that nobody else in the industry does, and therefore in a way that
few will understand without your detailed explanation.

No software company that I know of calls even a major bug fix update an
"upgrade". Upgrades always require purchase and include an integral
version number change.

You can hve minor updates that addresses 1 or two items. but 130mb nor
180 mb to me isn't a minor patch.

Size doesn't always correspond to the number of changes, though in this
case there are a lot. Sometimes it's just easier and less bug-prone to
replace entire files rather than patch them, even if the changes are
few. Many, if not most, companies are going away from patching
altogether, given the ubiquity of wideband access.

So don't be so defensive about MS. Every software company does it.

Oh, I'm not defensive about MS - I was simply throwing the flag on
obvious BS.

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Phillip:

No. An "Upgrade" adds functionality or new features. It increments the
left-most number in the version: so, 11.3.9 to 12.0.0

The current file is a Service Release: it does not add any functions or
features at all, it simply repairs the ones that were meant to work in the
first place.

Companies DO sometimes step over the line and add functionality in a
Service Release, but they get yelled at every time they do it by the System
Administrators of the world.

If it's a Service Release or Service Pack, the Sys Admin does not have to
re-test or re-qualify their operating environment. For an Upgrade, they do.

A "Service Release", by the way, will apply stand-alone to any version of
the software going back to the original shipped version. It contains
complete replacement files. (That's why they're so big...)

A "Service Pack" (sometimes called an "Update") does not contain a complete
set of files, and requires previous service packs to have already been
applied before it can install.

Hope this helps

What we had as an update was the 130 some mb Patch from 12 to 12.01

Them the 12.10 to 12.10 180 mb file, is what MS calls a service pack
(SP) everyone else calls a major Upgrade. Then what come when the go fro
12 to 13(14) or 2012 is a complete version upgrade.

What one shoots for is a two year turn over. But reality is it could be
anywhere from 2-6 years.

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