Can't change default font

[kevs]

I've tried changing the default font several times, but Word keeps reverting
back to my old default.


OS 10.4.7
Office 2004

 

[Elliott Roper]

I've tried changing the default font several times, but Word keeps reverting
back to my old default.

Pray tell, O kevs, how you go about changing your default font.
Explain your procedure with reference to the tip at the bottom of the
help you are offered for "default font".

It is just possible that you will work out for yourself where you are
going wrong..

 

[little_creature]

My guess is that kevs wants a different font to be the default when he
open new document. Am I right? He wants to change the normal style but
the word do not listen and still insist on the Times. If so there are
couple way to go around:
1. discard word normal template, let word make a new one, open it re-
set the font to whatever you want make sure you do not have checked
the auto-update of format style (checkbox in format>paragraph)

2. Let word has its fun and make your own template which you will use
as template for your new docs. Word will has its normal template and
will be happy it and you will not to have to beg word to work in your
way.

 

[Elliott Roper]

My guess is that kevs wants a different font to be the default when he
open new document. Am I right? He wants to change the normal style but
the word do not listen and still insist on the Times. If so there are
couple way to go around:
1. discard word normal template, let word make a new one, open it re-
set the font to whatever you want make sure you do not have checked
the auto-update of format style (checkbox in format>paragraph)

Well, he does not need to discard his existing normal template. It is
sufficient to modify normal style in format » style (format + font) and
click on "add to template" on the way out. I suspect that is what kevs
was forgetting, but I wanted to play with him a little.
;-)
Why should you have all the fun?

2. Let word has its fun and make your own template which you will use
as template for your new docs. Word will has its normal template and
will be happy it and you will not to have to beg word to work in your
way.

That will work well of course, even if you must specify your template
every time you create a document via the Project Gallery.

What do you mean by "beg"? You muscle your way up to Word and *tell* it
to do as it is told or else.

Why did Clive call his document "Bend Word to Your WIll"?
He has the right idea. Show it who is da boss!

 

[little_creature]

Hello Elliott,
I remember you yesterday I saw a green plastic cubicle toilet on the
street with embossed ELLIOTT, I have thought what a strange
coincidence )

These 2 things have some connection:
Well, he does not need to discard his existing normal template. It is
sufficient to modify normal style in format » style (format + font)

and

What do you mean by "beg"?

I do not remember now that exactly I was doing, but once upon the time
I played with the normal style and copy normal template between PC and
Mac few times and then that impressingly stupid machine (that's my
favorite part of HG to galaxy) kept changing the times to palatino so
I let Word to have the fun changing it (i did not kindly ask it to be
so nice to think about possibly leaving that set to times) and close
Word and discard the normal. Guess who was the winner, I felt quite
please as big boss That was what I meant that you do not have to
beg.

Good night

 

[kevs]

Hello Elliott,
I remember you yesterday I saw a green plastic cubicle toilet on the
street with embossed ELLIOTT, I have thought what a strange
coincidence )

These 2 things have some connection:
Well, he does not need to discard his existing normal template. It is
sufficient to modify normal style in format » style (format + font)

and

What do you mean by "beg"?

I do not remember now that exactly I was doing, but once upon the time
I played with the normal style and copy normal template between PC and
Mac few times and then that impressingly stupid machine (that's my
favorite part of HG to galaxy) kept changing the times to palatino so
I let Word to have the fun changing it (i did not kindly ask it to be
so nice to think about possibly leaving that set to times) and close
Word and discard the normal. Guess who was the winner, I felt quite
please as big boss That was what I meant that you do not have to
beg.

Good night

Well, he does not need to discard his existing normal template. It is
sufficient to modify normal style in format » style (format + font) and
click on "add to template" on the way out. I suspect that is what kevs
was forgetting, but I wanted to play with him a little.
;-)
Why should you have all the fun?


That will work well of course, even if you must specify your template
every time you create a document via the Project Gallery.

What do you mean by "beg"? You muscle your way up to Word and *tell* it
to do as it is told or else.

Why did Clive call his document "Bend Word to Your WIll"?
He has the right idea. Show it who is da boss!

Thanks Guys, I want to open new docs with Helvetica instead of beautiful
Copperplate 12 which I've been using for 10 years or not.

And now it's going ok!

Don't know what I did right.

But let me ask: I got fed up with Copperplate in that you often can't tell
if the text is upper or lower case.

No problems with Helvetica, but it sure does not look as classy.

Any font recommendations that could bridge those two issue? Nice look, and
solid distinction from upper and lower case?

Thanks!






OS 10.4.7
Office 2004

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Kevs:

Patience, mon frer...

There are six new fonts coming with the next version of Office that I think
you might enjoy...

See here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/12/07/501009.aspx

In the meantime, I tend to stick with Arial and Times New Roman, because
they have more characters in them than the others. And Helvetica is just a
smidge too heavy for my taste.

Cheers

Hello Elliott,
I remember you yesterday I saw a green plastic cubicle toilet on the
street with embossed ELLIOTT, I have thought what a strange
coincidence )

These 2 things have some connection:
Well, he does not need to discard his existing normal template. It is
sufficient to modify normal style in format » style (format + font)

and

What do you mean by "beg"?

I do not remember now that exactly I was doing, but once upon the time
I played with the normal style and copy normal template between PC and
Mac few times and then that impressingly stupid machine (that's my
favorite part of HG to galaxy) kept changing the times to palatino so
I let Word to have the fun changing it (i did not kindly ask it to be
so nice to think about possibly leaving that set to times) and close
Word and discard the normal. Guess who was the winner, I felt quite
please as big boss That was what I meant that you do not have to
beg.

Good night


Thanks Guys, I want to open new docs with Helvetica instead of beautiful
Copperplate 12 which I've been using for 10 years or not.

And now it's going ok!

Don't know what I did right.

But let me ask: I got fed up with Copperplate in that you often can't tell
if the text is upper or lower case.

No problems with Helvetica, but it sure does not look as classy.

Any font recommendations that could bridge those two issue? Nice look, and
solid distinction from upper and lower case?

Thanks!






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[Elliott Roper]

But let me ask: I got fed up with Copperplate in that you often can't tell
if the text is upper or lower case.

No problems with Helvetica, but it sure does not look as classy.

Any font recommendations that could bridge those two issue? Nice look, and
solid distinction from upper and lower case?

Good Grief kevs. Copperplate for your main workhorse font. What do you
do for a living? Carve tombstones? ;-)

I agree it is classy, but you should use that for one or two lines on a
business card for crusty old school corporate lawyer.

Helvetica turned 50 this week. So it too has that crusty patina of age.

If you are sharing work with the dark side, follow John McGhie's
advice. It is pretty hard to tell Helvetica from Arial at the same
weights. (I go looking for the length of the tail on a lower case a. I
can't pick 'em just by looking)

If you want some of the olde-world moneyed charm of Copperlate in a
readable font, you could do worse than Futura

 

[Clive Huggan]

Hello Elliott,
I remember you yesterday I saw a green plastic cubicle toilet on the
street with embossed ELLIOTT, I have thought what a strange
coincidence )

The things you find out when you become an international jet-setter, LC!

Some of us here think Elliott made his fortune from the straining of the
millions (sorry, that may be beyond the extent of your English thesaurus,
but I can't really put it another way here).

But I think it was from the green plastic ...

CH
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[little_creature]

I've got it . I learn bad things easier than the things I should be
learning.

 

[Elliott Roper]

I've got it . I learn bad things easier than the things I should be
learning.

Sigh!

Clive. You should not encourage this little_creature creature!
She is *evil*.
I rather like the idea of a green embossed ELLIOTT cubicle. It would
look great at the far end of the yard. Maybe you could send some
red-backs Clive, so I could have the full Dinkum Dunny experience.

Aside to the rest of the world. Sorry, we are not *always* this
juvenile.

 

[Clive Huggan]

Kevs,

In agreeing with Elliott, I'd also add that your Helvetica is likely to be a
hang-over from OS 9. These fonts are not as comfortable on OS X, and even
more so with Microsoft products, I *suspect*. I'd recommend you get rid of
it.

And unless you only ever have documents that you create opening on your
computer, never anybody else's, font substitution might open it up with an
entirely different font on the other person's computer if you use Arial (it
*will* substitute to something else unless that person still uses OS 9
fonts; my point is that it won't necessarily be Arial, though that's usually
the most likely cab off the rank).

Helvetica (and therefore Arial -- a friend told me that the latter was the
closest one could get to Helvetica before Microsoft's lawyers said it was
too risky, but I could not possibly confirm the veracity thereof) was
designed as a font for street signs, and has all the subtlety of a street
sign in on-page / on-screen typography. I like the Frutiger family, which
is finer and more subtle (although I never use it on-screen; just before
printing I apply a macro that changes all the applicable fonts to Frutiger;
then I print and cancel).

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

 

[Phillip Jones]

Sigh!

Clive. You should not encourage this little_creature creature!
She is *evil*.
I rather like the idea of a green embossed ELLIOTT cubicle. It would
look great at the far end of the yard. Maybe you could send some
red-backs Clive, so I could have the full Dinkum Dunny experience.

Aside to the rest of the world. Sorry, we are not *always* this
juvenile.

Well at least you're more human, and don't take life quite as seriously
as on the Mozilla groups. Your not allowed to have any humor at all at
the risk of being called on the carpet by the "SpamMoose" the loving
terms used by the masses for the moderators. We have one group on the
whole Server that we can "let our hair down", but even there we still
have to tread lightly.
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[John McGhie]

Hi Phillip:

Yeah, well they have a newsgroup over there. We have a "Community" here.

I like this way of doing things.

Besides: Clive and Elliott deserve everything Little Creature gives them


Cheers

Well at least you're more human, and don't take life quite as seriously
as on the Mozilla groups. Your not allowed to have any humor at all at
the risk of being called on the carpet by the "SpamMoose" the loving
terms used by the masses for the moderators. We have one group on the
whole Server that we can "let our hair down", but even there we still
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[kevs]

Hi Phillip:

Yeah, well they have a newsgroup over there. We have a "Community" here.

I like this way of doing things.

Besides: Clive and Elliott deserve everything Little Creature gives them


Cheers

Thanks John, Elliot Clive for good tips. What is Frutiger family?


OS 10.4.7
Office 2004

 

[Elliott Roper]

Thanks John, Elliot Clive for good tips. What is Frutiger family?

Adrian Frutiger is a rather famous font designer. A font family that
bears his name (on my Mac it is called Frutiger LT Std) is a rather
elegant sans serif font. One of many that Frutiger designed, including
Univers, which was once more famous than Helvetica.


If you want a look at Frutiger, or lots of other fonts for that matter,
try:-
http://www.identifont.com/

It is also rather good at helping you identify a font from a few sample
letters, although it pays to look past their 'top' matches.

 

[kevs]

Frutiger,

Look good Elliot, but who is going to pay $200 for it? Also, how you test it
out?

I've been testing, and I can't see any difference between Ariel and
Helvetica, so I may stay with Helvetica!


OS 10.4.7
Office 2004

 

[Elliott Roper]

Look good Elliot, but who is going to pay $200 for it? Also, how you test it
out?

I've been testing, and I can't see any difference between Ariel and
Helvetica, so I may stay with Helvetica!

Yep, it is pretty hard to pick the difference. Helvetica's lower case a
has a curlier tail and the top of the lower case t is horizontal.
I understand all the common letter widths are identical at the same
weight, so you will even see lines breaking the same. Some naughty
person did some plagiarising in the dim and distant past?

If you share your work with the dark side, Arial may be the better
choice. Arial is standard on most MS operating systems, and comes free
with Word 2004 (I think.)
Arial on the Mac has far fewer glyphs than its PC cousin, but it still
has a lot. The Helvetica that Apple supplies seems to have about three
times as many as shown by a quick look at the length of the scroll bars
when viewing the repertoire in font book at the same 10 pt sizes.
I have no idea how large the intersection of PC Arial's glyph set and
Mac Helvetica's is, and I'm not about to start checking, but I'd guess
that you are asking for trouble expecting a PC to do quality font
substitution. Keep with Arial for Word docs that might be sent to PCs.

 

[Phillip Jones]

I don't know whether I paid that sum or might have paid more, been so
long since I purchased it; but I paid a good sum form ITC Benguait which
I use all the time. It easy on the eyes to read on the printed page. and
doesn't look half bad either in a PDF.

Look good Elliot, but who is going to pay $200 for it? Also, how you test it
out?

I've been testing, and I can't see any difference between Ariel and
Helvetica, so I may stay with Helvetica!


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[Elliott Roper]

If you want to ignore paragraph 1 of my previous post, Kevs, go ahead. It's
a free country (or at least it is over here)... ;-)

Sorry Clive, I missed that. I would have butted in earlier. See below.

To clarify: it isn't the appearance that you need to be concerned about --
it's the type of font. Helvetica on your Mac is almost certain to be a font
you had in OS 9 and before, and therefore made for operating under the
original Mac OS (unless you bought a Truetype Helvetica, which would be very
unusual). Arial is a Truetype font that, among other things, is suited to
OS X. It brings no problems with it, whereas Helvetica can (some have been
reported here).

I'm not sure that is always, or even often the case.
The Helvetica that comes with OS X is a TrueType .dfont which lives in
/System/Library/Fonts which means it is one of the sacred few that
cannot be removed except with extreme prejudice. It is the one with a
zillion glyphs. I suspect it is the font of last resort on OS X.

I'm not sure about precedence. That is, what happens if you have a font
precisely called Helvetica in either /Library/Fonts or ~/Library/Fonts.
My other Helvetica variants come up with different names, so I can't
tell from here. My guess is the more local ones will have precedence.
You can also have Helvetica in /System Folder/Fonts for the old classic
environment. That one you *can* get rid of, but I don't think it will
be looked at except by Classic applications, and if you use Classic,
you better keep it there.